[Faith-Talk] Introduction From Rilind+Re: Bethlehem avenue, Ali Sina, has failed and he is in hell

[andrew edgcumbe]

Hi my name is Andrew. I am from canada myself as well and 32 years old.

On 12/5/19, Marianne Haas via Faith-Talk <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Good Morning,
> I also welcome the wonderful New Lister.  Is it possible to remove
> disruptive Listers from the list?  You know whom I am referring to?
>
> Marianne
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Faith-Talk [mailto:faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> BRUCE&JOY BRESLAUER via Faith-Talk
> Sent: Thursday, December 5, 2019 9:52 AM
> To: 'Faith-talk, for the discussion of Blindness in faith and religion'
> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: BRUCE&JOY BRESLAUER <breslauerj at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Faith-Talk] Introduction From Rilind+Re: Bethlehem avenue,
> Ali
> Sina, has failed and he is in hell
>
> Welcome to the list, Rilind.
>
> I understand how difficult it must be to pursue a faith different from that
> of your family, especially when the cost of leaving that faith is so high.
> I
> will pray for you and your situation.
>
> The question never has been how good we are or can be, but how good God is.
> I'm very glad you said that.  We can never be good enough, no matter what
> we
> do.  The Bible is full of people who made mistakes and didn't measure up.
> They are real examples to show us that God can use anyone for His purposes,
> you don't have to be good enough.  If you give yourself to God and let Him
> direct your path, He will refine you and use you for His purposes, and your
> life will be something you could have never imagined or dreamed of.  Moses
> was a murderer.  David was an adulterer.  Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob tried
> to
> pass their wives off as their sisters.  They were deceitful, but so was
> Laban.  Every one of us has fallen short of the glory of God, but He knows
> that because He knows what we are made of and He knows how to redeem us
> from
> certain death.
>
> Christian denominations have variations in what they believe, but in order
> to
> be Christian they must agree on certain basic truths.  I'm sure other
> faiths
> have points on which they must agree in order to be members of that
> particular faith.
>
> After having studied comparative religions for some years, it was pointed
> out
> to me one day in a sermon that Christianity is the only faith that is not
> manmade.  Every other faith strives unsuccessfully to reach God or
> perfection
> or acceptability in its own way.  Jesus is the bridge that was built from
> god
> to man, so that we would have a sure way to reach Him.  He reached down to
> us
> because we couldn't reach up to Him.  We couldn't and can't do anything to
> save ourselves.  We aren't holy enough or righteous enough and we never
> will
> be.  We needed someone holy and righteous enough to pay the debt we could
> not
> pay.  Jesus is not an afterthought or a plan B.  There is no plan B.  That
> is
> where my search for truth ended, and that is where it remains to this day.
>
> I hesitate to say all this only because I don't want someone to think that
> I
> am putting their faith down, or that I think I am superior to them.  I know
> I
> am not.  I am just explaining what I believe.  Everyone probably has asked
> at
> some point in their life who am I, where am I going, what is the meaning of
> life, what is expected of me while I'm here on this journey, and what
> happens, if anything, after I die.  Where you seek your answers has a lot
> to
> do with what you will find.  How you decide what is true is an interesting
> process.  You have to decide where you will draw your lines, and what you
> will do if someone challenges or crosses your lines.  You have to decide
> how
> you will discern truth from lies, and what you will do if what you thought
> was truth really isn't.  The Bible is full of discussions about that.  Are
> there rules to follow while we are here?  Who makes the rules?  What
> happens
> if someone breaks the rules?  Who is subject to the rules?  When do the
> rules
> apply to me?  Do we all get to make up our own rules as our whims permit?
>
> How we answer some of these universal questions is determined to a large
> extent by whom we listen to and decide to follow.  A great many decisions
> will be made before a person reaches that point.  Are we active or passive
> followers, or do we just go whichever way the wind blows at the moment?  Do
> we really believe in anything, or are we just trying the flavor of the
> month
> for the moment?  Does any of this really matter?  What difference does it
> make?  Well, friend, it makes a big difference.
>
> Peace and blessings to you all.
>
> Back to lurk mode.
>
> Joy
>
>      -----Original Message-----
> From: Faith-Talk <faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Rilind
> Dragoshi
> via Faith-Talk
> Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2019 9:25 AM
> To: faith-talk at nfbnet.org
> Cc: Rilind Dragoshi <dragoshi11 at hotmail.com>
> Subject: [Faith-Talk] Introduction From Rilind+Re: Bethlehem avenue, Ali
> Sina, has failed and he is in hell
>
> Hello everyone.
> My name is Rilind.
> I didn't know if I should introduce myself here or even comment on this
> issue
> as there are many chalenges associated with publicly coming out in this
> topic
> here, but,life belongs to God, and scripture tells us that this is life
> that
> we may know the one true God and Jesus Christ who he as sent. For personal
> reasons, at one point today I had considered messaging a list moderator and
> to ask to have it posted but then I knew that our friend mMustafa, that you
> might say oh look how they make up stories, and might say someone made this
> story up. So I said I'm going to discuss my story to explain not how good I
> am, (actually the opposite). But how good God is. Also, from a list
> standpoint, I didn't even know that this topic has relevance to blindness
> and
> faith at all. However, I also want to say that I have been subscribed for a
> long time, and, I was never sure if I would ever want to share my testimony
> here, but then decided that I will. I am 100% blind, and some of the
> chalenges are related to blindness. With that in mind I thought it is okay
> to
> share here.
> I don't want to go in to long detail about myself because of this topic
> but,
> I will say for sure that I live in Canada, born in Kosovo, speak Albanian
> English and some French, and, although noone is perfect, I have, from 2013
> accepted Jesus Christ as my Lord and savior. Baptism someday too hopefully.
> About myself I'll say: I finished my Psychology degree, I do call centre
> work
> as well as English practicing work. I like walks, music, and family, as
> well
> as travel.
> My personal struggles in life now include anger that I am single, not being
> able to go to Church due to my situation; arguing too much with people who
> don't respect my beliefs such as my parents.
> Yes my friend, according to Islam, I may be going to Hell and if it's true
> then I would have to. Something else is if I don't repent and I continue in
> being upset and angry and things Paul says, I could go to Hell too. We have
> verses in the Bible about people who continue in certain sins not entering
> the kingdom of God. But, I believe that God himself came in the person of
> Jesus Christ, that he lived a perfect life, that the Isaiah 51 chapter is
> about him, and that just as Stephen saw, he is now at the right hand of
> God,
> and just as Revelation says, that the same will be in his family who
> conquer
> and overcome. I am not a universalist, but even in the harshest times of
> judgement, the Bible says everyone who calls on the name of the lord shall
> be
> saved, and also Paul talks about that every knee will bough and every
> tongue
> confess. I believing in the living faith, I used to think too, that
> Christianity meant just you're saved no matter what you do, but I know now
> that salvation is through faith, but faith without works is dead, so we
> aren't saved if we do certain works, but that faith in itself means that
> specific things will be the fruit of that faith.
> Since this is about beliefs, I'm going to share my testimony to show people
> here that it's not all about hate that people chose Jesus, but about love
> of
> the truth.
> It's a long story so please bare with me.
>
> My tesstimony, now that is an interesting story in itself that I will try
> to
> explain.
> It is a long story.
> So I had my regular universalist beliefs and Islam.
> I grew up initially secular Muslim, then at age 10 I would ask my
> grandfather
> about God, and then at age 13 I read the Bible, then soon after, the Quran.
> From an Islam-based perspective, I would read Harun Yahya a lot, and read
> the
> Quran at age 13. I have a great family but as I am blind, I wasn't able to
> visit any places of worship as often as my family didn't want me to be
> involved in worship they would say it's better to stay at home.
> When I started at Crandall University I would help with the prison ministry
> program there and go to the senior's home as well, to Briarlea. We would go
> on Fridays to sing hymns, play bingo, and I found out, once a month that
> we'd
> be doing communion. I didn't mind at all doing the visits it wasn't
> required
> or anything I just knew from previous experience and Ronald Weinland and
> other folks, I knew that ministry meant service, so I wanted to help out
> even
> though i wasn't Christian. I loved it. Now when we were getting closer to
> the
> end of the month and when it was time for Communion week coming by, I
> realised that I probably didn't think I should go. I thought okay, if I
> don't
> go it will be random I don't want to just all of a sudden say I'm busy just
> on that one week when there's communion but, if I go I thought then I would
> feel out of place in the sense that I'd feel disrespectful if I'm there and
> not taking communion. So what I did, I sent a message to my professor that
> did the ministry program and told him about my situation. I explained to
> him
> I definitely always enjoy coming and all the activities but that I wasn't
> sure if I should come since I'm not able to take communion given A that I
> didn't feel it was right since not baptized and B where I was also more
> Muslim and also Universalist. I told him I wanted to come but thought I
> shouldn't since I didn't want to be disrespectful. He said I could come and
> that it's completely okay since people don't expect people to take
> communion
> if they don't.
> So next week I just went and that was fine. Before I went (I usually was
> there early since I'd wait after my stats class that ended around 11:30
> until
> we left around 1 or whatever time it was, can't remember the time. But, the
> professor was there earlier and he said oh we have 15 minutes or so. He
> then
> played a video for me one was from Francis Chan and the other one was from
> John Piper, now one of them there it talked about God and about the
> sacrifice
> of Christ etc., and at one point it said "he had to die because a crime was
> committed". For the first time, I learned why the sacrifice was believed.
> As
> a non-Christian at the time and before, my trouble was never with whether
> God
> would send his son or sacrifice etc., it was more, that he wouldn't need
> to.
> However, I realised after that that there is a God who both is just and
> merciful, wanting to forgive, but also that couldn't without the penalty
> being payed, wouldn't, without the penalty being payed.
> At this point I didn't know what to do with this information.
> Something key is when Muslim (even if secular even if more bookworm than
> practicing), you don't ever think okay I want to switch. At that time
> though
> I thought hey if I accept Christ, I will be forgiven of all sins and I will
> be living the life with God but being able to repent instead of having the
> punishments in this world and the hereafter in the way that the Quran
> explained. So, I had a formula for repentence and forgiveness. Now there
> was
> very clearly the problem that I also couldn't just leave because I knew in
> the Quran that A In the Quran those who believe in God and do good deeds
> went
> to heaven, and B that there are clear verses there that if someone accepts
> something other than Muslim, it says God will never accept it and that in
> the
> next life you're going to be a loser. I didn't know if it meant Hell, but,
> I
> didn't want to become a loser either. Thus, there was a dilemma I had. At
> the
> time, I felt that the only solution to both be forgiven as well as to also
> make sure I don't become a loser or go to Hell was to be both a Christian
> and
> a Muslim. I didn't even know how to do this so I went on Google of all
> places
> to type in how to be both a Christian and a Muslim. I found many pages, and
> of course, most pages were about how you can't. I didn't want that though
> sso
> I kept looking. Later I found a website called messianicmuslims.com that's
> not even there anymore for some reason, but, in it talks about essentially
> a
> number of things about how I could do that.
> It talked about the fact that the Quran didn't say the scriptures were
> corrupt but just how they were explained. It talked about how the Quran
> when
> it said that Jesus wasn't his son it was saying more because not literally.
> It went on to say when it says the Jews didn't kill him it was because the
> Romans actually made the order, etc. So in this article I realised that I
> could accept him as my king, and from that point I was more Christian
> Muslim.
> I didn't have a church, e etc, just read both. Now later on I found a house
> church and I felt I could be accepted since it was the gospel but accepting
> everyone. My professor I had asked him about it when I saw it and he said
> he
> was going to speak there that week, so, I went with him that week. It was a
> great community that did downtown ministry and other activities together,
> prayer and fellowship hangout etc., and I enjoyed the visit.
> I couldn't go very often though and still don't go to any of the church
> meetings  often because my family doesn't like that I want to b Christian,
> many get upset, some say I'd be kicked out of the house if I wasn't blind,
> etc., but I then get upset too like I don't go often mostly because I need
> to
> have the right attitude if I'm both going and angry then that isn't being a
> good example, but I've continued I'll have coffee sometimes, go for supper
> when I can, etc., and sometimes rarely on Wednesdays or something somewhere
> for prayer.
> Now, it was only after that I became Christian fully. It was in early 2016
> where God fully told me that in a dream, that the Bible is to be the
> leading
> influence in my life. Then from there I knew that it was important for me
> to
> specifically be Christian.
>
> That's my story.
> God bless:
> Rilind.
>
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>    1. Re: Bethlehem avenue, Ali Sina, has failed and he is in hell
>       (Mustafa Almahdy)
>    2. Re: Bethlehem avenue, Ali Sina, has failed and he is inhell
>       (David Moore)
>    3. Re: Bethlehem avenue, Ali Sina, has failed and he is in hell
>       (BRUCE&JOY BRESLAUER)
>    4. Re: Bethlehem avenue, Ali Sina, has failed and he is in hell
>       (andrew edgcumbe)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2019 23:21:29 +0200
> From: Mustafa Almahdy <against.trump2001 at gmail.com>
> To: faith-talk at nfbnet.org
> Cc: dotwriter1 at gmail.com, debbiedrylie at gmail.com,
> 	moore at donaldmoore.org, 	dlgoza at jeffersonbaptist.org,
> 	erickelly at bellsouth.net,	rickevans5 at gmail.com,
> tingram at hbbc.org
> Subject: Re: [Faith-Talk] Bethlehem avenue, Ali Sina, has failed and
> 	he is in hell
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> Well obviously, I knew who Lutherans are. The cardinal doctrine of
> justifying faith alone is not sufficient for me. I don't recall that I
> have spoken rudely to someone though. I am just asking for some proper
> equity, as Islam is being brought to discussion or even critique in
> western media. When doing so, it's constantly subjected to
> unfavourable judgement. It isn't fair at all, to intently insist to
> misportray Islam and its tenets through introducing it to the masses
> by intense haters, unjust viewers. Ali Sina deceives westerns when he
> tells them, that Islam couldn't cope with modern western fundamentals.
> Well, this isn't quite precise, critical or even transpicuous. Ali
> Sina is notoriously dishonest about everything related to Islam.
> Through eight consecutive centuries, Andalusian          Muslim
> civilisation has contributed distinctly outstanding breakthroughs to
> untutored Medieval denizens. So, Islam encourages its embracers to
> ponder, contribute and explore. Nonetheless, for the past 200 years,
> Muslims haven't invented anything useful to either themselves or
> others. Thence, they reached the back of the caravan and became such
> backward, influenced, defeated and manipulated nation. The Koran told
> Muslims, that they're the best of people, as long as they enjoin good,
> forbid evil and believe in God. So, if they failed to fulfill any of
> these terms, they're then no longer the best of people. One of the
> main reasons for which I love Islam so much, is the fact that it is
> the only faith on earth which criticises its own followers if they
> failed to maintain the competent status of proper religious tenets.
> Adhereing  certain concepts doesn't guarantee its believing
> individuals a blank check to heaven. There is no such thing in Islam.
> Islam advocates for a global vision of substantial reform in all life
> aspects. Therefore, despite anyone's ethnic affiliation, as long as he
> is firmly loyal to Islam, he could be the best of and even, at the top
> of its scholarship. So for instance, despite his enormously extraneous
> origin, for his uniquely masterpiece in Hadith discipline, imam
> Bukhari  became the invincible scholar on that regard. Well, he wasn't
> initially Arab. Nonetheless, he mastered Arabic and produced a
> wonderful textbook in its eloquent rhetoric. This extraordinary
> chef-d'oeuvre is broadly considered to be the top of major sunnah
> references and the most authentic source of Islam after the Koran,
> known as, (Sahih al-Bukhari). I hope we have a chance to introduce
> Islam to others as we see it and practice its tenets. I disregard a
> nasty version of Islam introduced by people like Ali Sina, who is
> merely a hatemonger, uses defamation of Islam to bootlick westerns and
> gain dominance among them. Outspokenly, that's a major threat, when
> working for hate, deceit, denouncement and deliberate denigration
> instantly becomes an emphatically recognised path to fame in the west.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 12/3/19, Ericka via Faith-Talk <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Not all Christians are evangelists. I am Lutheran. We are asked not so
> much
>> to shove Bible passages down peoples throats as to live our life
>> according
>> toChrists? example and teaching. The Bible to me is not something to be
> read
>> literally and taken literally; it is a guidebook. Through the examples of
>> those who have acted respectfully and not so respectfully we come to see
>> ourselves in the Scriptures and learn how to handle situations in a way
> that
>> respects all of his creation including the human beings on this earth. We
>> are not called to be drunken, gluttonous, greedy, arrogant, and so on. If
>> you look in Galatians for the fruits of the spirit, these are what we are
>> called to beat others and good suggestions to take care of yourself as
> well.
>> It looks like cell control something you need to work on as I don?t
>> appreciate the rudeness you treated Adriana.
>>
>> God sent Jesus to us to free us from rules in the Old Testament since
>> apparently people weren?t understanding what God wanted us to act and
>> why.
>>
>> Whether you?re Jewish, Islamic or Christian etc. there are people who are
> go
>> to humans and then there are bad ones. Islamic dictator is killing their
> own
>> faithful is not any better than The Crusades. It?s a humanity problem
>> that
>> we all struggle with so you can?t blame our maker whether it be God as
>> the
>> Christian and see it, Allah, or the supreme being and so on. We screwup.
>> Instead of dissecting everything, why don?t we start looking at the
>> common
>> believes and bond together for a better world we have here too and have
>> it
>> rather than hurting others, just respecting others and either way not
> making
>> our faiths look respectable.
>>
>> Ericka Nelson
>>
>>> On Dec 3, 2019, at 11:00 AM, Mustafa Almahdy via Faith-Talk
>>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> ?Well, you're in hell as of being such a miserable failure, not able to
>>> respond to my longly held debating challenge. As for good looking
>>> women, that's the maximum rate of someone at your disposal. I don't
>>> know about these things. But I know, that staring at women illicitly
>>> is strictly prohibited in Islam. Now, as these evangelists who
>>> cluselessly fend for your plainly hateful attitude may have noticed,
>>> you're not proselytising  to their faith in any manner. You're just
>>> spreading hate and deceit about Islam. Nonetheless, that seems to be
>>> quite sufficient for them to unconsciously endorse you. I think we're
>>> fully aware as of right now, who is truly detestable, despicable and
>>> immensely hypocritical. I still want to know, where did you earn the
>>> 100000$ which you sardonically offered from? Is working for
>>> Islamophobia and hatefully relevant industries eminently so profitable
>>> in western culture? As you're currently residing in the region of
>>> southeastern Europe, I wonder, what are you doing there? As Iranian
>>> based who has been extremely notorious of intently spreading hate, I
>>> couldn't unveil the nature of your work. Where does it fill? Ali Sina
>>> aims to provoke attenuated Muslims until they ultimately apostate. Be
>>> that as it may, he doesn't care about what do they embrace afterward.
>>> Is he promoting western secularism? I wonder if he perhaps could
>>> illustrate onto that. He says before that he is not an evangelist.
>>> Fine, what is he then? As to the faith talk folks, well, someone there
>>> has just told me, that I was demanded not to post to the list anymore.
>>> Well, excuse me but, this request clearly contradicts with an explicit
>>> statement that belongs to the list's essential guidelines. On your
>>> main info page, it says, "Persons of all faiths are welcome. Feel free
>>> to post, and have fun!". That what does it state there, very clearly.
>>> You can go to the list's info page and verify this claim. So, you may
>>> either remove the above statement and replace it with a statement that
>>> informs all viewers, that this list is exclusively restricted to
>>> Christian conversation and relevantly affiliated blindness interests.
>>> Or, you may say, that each and everyone that is not believing
>>> Christian is welcome to post except Muslims. We don't want them here
>>> anymore. I bet you couldn't post such thing on your main page because
>>> you will plainly violate allegedly embraced tenets of multiculturalism
>>> and coexistence. No no, sure you could. Hasn't Trump, master of peace
>>> and tolerance insistently declared such kind remarks about Muslims in
>>> the States and other minorities? What happened when I posted to the
>>> faith talk list stuff that may not necessarily concur with their
>>> beliefs or convictions as of religious and political orientation?
>>> Well, they immediately banned me from posting to the list. In other
>>> words, forcefully unsubscribed me. Well, if I will anyway be
>>> ostracised because of my religious and political opinion, what is then
>>> the proper use of the following statement? As quoted above, it says on
>>> your main info page, "persons of all faiths are welcome." So, it's
>>> either I am welcome or not welcome. I wonder if it could be both? It
>>> could be, as long as I speak against my own religion to please
>>> Americans, lords of the world. I unfortunately couldn't cope with such
>>> demand. So, I hope the temperament of the list's owners is clarified a
>>> bit. As for Ali Sina, good luck at your glorious journey of courting
>>> gorgeous women.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On 12/2/19, FFI <faithfreedom2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> I am in Ukraine, If this is hell it is too cold this time of the year.
>>>> But
>>>> the women here are actually very very beautiful.  Nice hell.
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Nov 29, 2019 at 9:45 PM Mustafa Almahdy
>>>> <against.trump2001 at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> For nearly three successive months, I have been persistently
>>>>> challenging Ali Sina to enter in a debate with me about the filth that
>>>>> he presumptuously writes about Islam. He obstinately calls the
>>>>> lasciviously based soliloquy of his own sickened prejudice worthwhile
>>>>> critique. He thence is afraid of venturing into this altercating
>>>>> field, so he may not lose his averred credibility among disinformed
>>>>> audience. He runs a vicious website entitled Ali Sina dot org. At its
>>>>> inception he writes, everything you need to know about Islam. He
>>>>> should have actually written, everything I intently lie to you about
>>>>> Islam. He unfortunately takes advantage of people's ignorance. He
>>>>> deliberately misleads his indoctrinated viewers. On his detestable
>>>>> website, he often writes about arbitrarily anonymous mortals who are
>>>>> allegedly Muslims. Therein, they have supposedly sought his eminent
>>>>> advice which has led to their ultimate apostasy. He evades conversing
>>>>> with me because I massively resemble a major threat to his reputation.
>>>>> I discredited his character and have posed decisive rebuttals to his
>>>>> truthiness. First off, why couldn't he release his accredited
>>>>> credentials or whatever that might be? Second, does he know Arabic? I
>>>>> previously demanded him to compose a basic sentence in Arabic, but he
>>>>> just couldn't. Third, in his recent message to me, he asked me to
>>>>> bring him someone to debate with, and he proposed to pay us 100000$,
>>>>> arranged half to half, between me and the one that I will bring. My
>>>>> question here is, why couldn't you just debate me for free? And, where
>>>>> did you get all this money from? Is working in the field of
>>>>> Islamophobia that profitable in the west? I hope he bravely answers
>>>>> any of these critical questions. Now, to those who purposely harbour
>>>>> such fugitives  and hatemongers, you must plainly fathom, that the
>>>>> current situation won't ever be infinite in any manner. I one day
>>>>> shall catch this Ali Sina and will then coerce him into direct
>>>>> engagement, whereas people as of Muslims and others alike can
>>>>> certainly see and judge. I genuinely believe that attainting this
>>>>> person's competency is much worse than actually putting him to death.
>>>>> If you're truly a man, you may then accept debating me. As of right
>>>>> now, he cowardly hides like a nasty mous. He is absolutely terrified
>>>>> of being caught and exposed. Had he been confident of himself, he
>>>>> would have then accepted my longly suspended debating proposal. His
>>>>> financial offer etc is just an enact to deride and avoid any potential
>>>>> confrontation. I, however, won't ever leave him on his own. Even if he
>>>>> hides below the seventh ground, I will chase him. I will keep beating
>>>>> him up until he is wholly destroyed. I knew where do you currently
>>>>> reside in Europe. We're going to meet soon, so watch out, son of
>>>>> Sina.,
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> alisina.org <http://www.alisina.org>
>>>> faithfreedom.org <http://www.faithfreedom.org>
>>>>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2019 18:01:08 -0500
> From: David Moore <jesusloves1966 at gmail.com>
> To: "Faith-talk, for the discussion of Blindness in faith and
> 	religion"	<faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Faith-Talk] Bethlehem avenue, Ali Sina, has failed and
> 	he is inhell
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> Jesus said that he was God, and he proved it by rising from the dead!
> Did Mohamad rise from the dead?
> Also, Jesus said, ?I am the way, the truth, and the life!
> Nobody can come to the Father except by me!
> Also in Acts chapter 4, it says this!
> Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under Heaven
> given to men, by which they must be saved!
> I believe that throws out Islam and all religion to get one to Heaven!
> Jesus is not a religion!
> He sacrificed his own self for all sin for all time!
> What about the verse that says,
> ?we are saved by grace, not by works, so that no man can boast before God!
> If you throw in works, just how many works do you have to do to enter
> Heaven?
> Jesus?s blood he shed for us, forgives all sin for all time as soon as we
> call out to him, repent, to want to change and follow Jesus, Confess Jesus
> as
> God, and be baptized for the remission of our sins!
> After that, only we can kick God out our lives, by not wanting God leading
> us
> anymore!
> We, at that time, forefoot our salvation, we do not lose it without knowing
> it! If works are needed, why did Jesus have to go to the cross at all, and
> be
> separated from his Father, because my personal sin was put upon on him, and
> he paid the full debt for us all!
> That is what the Word of God says, and that is all that matters!
> Every word in the Bible, is God breathed, and when you read the Bible, you
> are reading the living words of God!
> God is speaking to you through his perfect Word!
> I am saddened for you, and all people who believe that the Words of God
> himself are just a guide for our life!
> I have so much joy and peace by standing on the only words of God that we
> will hear in this life!
> Take care, all!
>
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>
> From: Mustafa Almahdy via Faith-Talk
> Sent: Wednesday, December 4, 2019 4:22 PM
> To: faith-talk at nfbnet.org
> Cc: Mustafa Almahdy; rickevans5 at gmail.com; tingram at hbbc.org;
> debbiedrylie at gmail.com; moore at donaldmoore.org; erickelly at bellsouth.net;
> dlgoza at jeffersonbaptist.org
> Subject: Re: [Faith-Talk] Bethlehem avenue, Ali Sina, has failed and he is
> inhell
>
> Well obviously, I knew who Lutherans are. The cardinal doctrine of
> justifying faith alone is not sufficient for me. I don't recall that I
> have spoken rudely to someone though. I am just asking for some proper
> equity, as Islam is being brought to discussion or even critique in
> western media. When doing so, it's constantly subjected to
> unfavourable judgement. It isn't fair at all, to intently insist to
> misportray Islam and its tenets through introducing it to the masses
> by intense haters, unjust viewers. Ali Sina deceives westerns when he
> tells them, that Islam couldn't cope with modern western fundamentals.
> Well, this isn't quite precise, critical or even transpicuous. Ali
> Sina is notoriously dishonest about everything related to Islam.
> Through eight consecutive centuries, Andalusian          Muslim
> civilisation has contributed distinctly outstanding breakthroughs to
> untutored Medieval denizens. So, Islam encourages its embracers to
> ponder, contribute and explore. Nonetheless, for the past 200 years,
> Muslims haven't invented anything useful to either themselves or
> others. Thence, they reached the back of the caravan and became such
> backward, influenced, defeated and manipulated nation. The Koran told
> Muslims, that they're the best of people, as long as they enjoin good,
> forbid evil and believe in God. So, if they failed to fulfill any of
> these terms, they're then no longer the best of people. One of the
> main reasons for which I love Islam so much, is the fact that it is
> the only faith on earth which criticises its own followers if they
> failed to maintain the competent status of proper religious tenets.
> Adhereing  certain concepts doesn't guarantee its believing
> individuals a blank check to heaven. There is no such thing in Islam.
> Islam advocates for a global vision of substantial reform in all life
> aspects. Therefore, despite anyone's ethnic affiliation, as long as he
> is firmly loyal to Islam, he could be the best of and even, at the top
> of its scholarship. So for instance, despite his enormously extraneous
> origin, for his uniquely masterpiece in Hadith discipline, imam
> Bukhari  became the invincible scholar on that regard. Well, he wasn't
> initially Arab. Nonetheless, he mastered Arabic and produced a
> wonderful textbook in its eloquent rhetoric. This extraordinary
> chef-d'oeuvre is broadly considered to be the top of major sunnah
> references and the most authentic source of Islam after the Koran,
> known as, (Sahih al-Bukhari). I hope we have a chance to introduce
> Islam to others as we see it and practice its tenets. I disregard a
> nasty version of Islam introduced by people like Ali Sina, who is
> merely a hatemonger, uses defamation of Islam to bootlick westerns and
> gain dominance among them. Outspokenly, that's a major threat, when
> working for hate, deceit, denouncement and deliberate denigration
> instantly becomes an emphatically recognised path to fame in the west.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 12/3/19, Ericka via Faith-Talk <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Not all Christians are evangelists. I am Lutheran. We are asked not so
> much
>> to shove Bible passages down peoples throats as to live our life
>> according
>> toChrists? example and teaching. The Bible to me is not something to be
> read
>> literally and taken literally; it is a guidebook. Through the examples of
>> those who have acted respectfully and not so respectfully we come to see
>> ourselves in the Scriptures and learn how to handle situations in a way
> that
>> respects all of his creation including the human beings on this earth. We
>> are not called to be drunken, gluttonous, greedy, arrogant, and so on. If
>> you look in Galatians for the fruits of the spirit, these are what we are
>> called to beat others and good suggestions to take care of yourself as
> well.
>> It looks like cell control something you need to work on as I don?t
>> appreciate the rudeness you treated Adriana.
>>
>> God sent Jesus to us to free us from rules in the Old Testament since
>> apparently people weren?t understanding what God wanted us to act and
>> why.
>>
>> Whether you?re Jewish, Islamic or Christian etc. there are people who are
> go
>> to humans and then there are bad ones. Islamic dictator is killing their
> own
>> faithful is not any better than The Crusades. It?s a humanity problem
>> that
>> we all struggle with so you can?t blame our maker whether it be God as
>> the
>> Christian and see it, Allah, or the supreme being and so on. We screwup.
>> Instead of dissecting everything, why don?t we start looking at the
>> common
>> believes and bond together for a better world we have here too and have
>> it
>> rather than hurting others, just respecting others and either way not
> making
>> our faiths look respectable.
>>
>> Ericka Nelson
>>
>>> On Dec 3, 2019, at 11:00 AM, Mustafa Almahdy via Faith-Talk
>>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> ?Well, you're in hell as of being such a miserable failure, not able to
>>> respond to my longly held debating challenge. As for good looking
>>> women, that's the maximum rate of someone at your disposal. I don't
>>> know about these things. But I know, that staring at women illicitly
>>> is strictly prohibited in Islam. Now, as these evangelists who
>>> cluselessly fend for your plainly hateful attitude may have noticed,
>>> you're not proselytising  to their faith in any manner. You're just
>>> spreading hate and deceit about Islam. Nonetheless, that seems to be
>>> quite sufficient for them to unconsciously endorse you. I think we're
>>> fully aware as of right now, who is truly detestable, despicable and
>>> immensely hypocritical. I still want to know, where did you earn the
>>> 100000$ which you sardonically offered from? Is working for
>>> Islamophobia and hatefully relevant industries eminently so profitable
>>> in western culture? As you're currently residing in the region of
>>> southeastern Europe, I wonder, what are you doing there? As Iranian
>>> based who has been extremely notorious of intently spreading hate, I
>>> couldn't unveil the nature of your work. Where does it fill? Ali Sina
>>> aims to provoke attenuated Muslims until they ultimately apostate. Be
>>> that as it may, he doesn't care about what do they embrace afterward.
>>> Is he promoting western secularism? I wonder if he perhaps could
>>> illustrate onto that. He says before that he is not an evangelist.
>>> Fine, what is he then? As to the faith talk folks, well, someone there
>>> has just told me, that I was demanded not to post to the list anymore.
>>> Well, excuse me but, this request clearly contradicts with an explicit
>>> statement that belongs to the list's essential guidelines. On your
>>> main info page, it says, "Persons of all faiths are welcome. Feel free
>>> to post, and have fun!". That what does it state there, very clearly.
>>> You can go to the list's info page and verify this claim. So, you may
>>> either remove the above statement and replace it with a statement that
>>> informs all viewers, that this list is exclusively restricted to
>>> Christian conversation and relevantly affiliated blindness interests.
>>> Or, you may say, that each and everyone that is not believing
>>> Christian is welcome to post except Muslims. We don't want them here
>>> anymore. I bet you couldn't post such thing on your main page because
>>> you will plainly violate allegedly embraced tenets of multiculturalism
>>> and coexistence. No no, sure you could. Hasn't Trump, master of peace
>>> and tolerance insistently declared such kind remarks about Muslims in
>>> the States and other minorities? What happened when I posted to the
>>> faith talk list stuff that may not necessarily concur with their
>>> beliefs or convictions as of religious and political orientation?
>>> Well, they immediately banned me from posting to the list. In other
>>> words, forcefully unsubscribed me. Well, if I will anyway be
>>> ostracised because of my religious and political opinion, what is then
>>> the proper use of the following statement? As quoted above, it says on
>>> your main info page, "persons of all faiths are welcome." So, it's
>>> either I am welcome or not welcome. I wonder if it could be both? It
>>> could be, as long as I speak against my own religion to please
>>> Americans, lords of the world. I unfortunately couldn't cope with such
>>> demand. So, I hope the temperament of the list's owners is clarified a
>>> bit. As for Ali Sina, good luck at your glorious journey of courting
>>> gorgeous women.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On 12/2/19, FFI <faithfreedom2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> I am in Ukraine, If this is hell it is too cold this time of the year.
>>>> But
>>>> the women here are actually very very beautiful.  Nice hell.
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Nov 29, 2019 at 9:45 PM Mustafa Almahdy
>>>> <against.trump2001 at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> For nearly three successive months, I have been persistently
>>>>> challenging Ali Sina to enter in a debate with me about the filth that
>>>>> he presumptuously writes about Islam. He obstinately calls the
>>>>> lasciviously based soliloquy of his own sickened prejudice worthwhile
>>>>> critique. He thence is afraid of venturing into this altercating
>>>>> field, so he may not lose his averred credibility among disinformed
>>>>> audience. He runs a vicious website entitled Ali Sina dot org. At its
>>>>> inception he writes, everything you need to know about Islam. He
>>>>> should have actually written, everything I intently lie to you about
>>>>> Islam. He unfortunately takes advantage of people's ignorance. He
>>>>> deliberately misleads his indoctrinated viewers. On his detestable
>>>>> website, he often writes about arbitrarily anonymous mortals who are
>>>>> allegedly Muslims. Therein, they have supposedly sought his eminent
>>>>> advice which has led to their ultimate apostasy. He evades conversing
>>>>> with me because I massively resemble a major threat to his reputation.
>>>>> I discredited his character and have posed decisive rebuttals to his
>>>>> truthiness. First off, why couldn't he release his accredited
>>>>> credentials or whatever that might be? Second, does he know Arabic? I
>>>>> previously demanded him to compose a basic sentence in Arabic, but he
>>>>> just couldn't. Third, in his recent message to me, he asked me to
>>>>> bring him someone to debate with, and he proposed to pay us 100000$,
>>>>> arranged half to half, between me and the one that I will bring. My
>>>>> question here is, why couldn't you just debate me for free? And, where
>>>>> did you get all this money from? Is working in the field of
>>>>> Islamophobia that profitable in the west? I hope he bravely answers
>>>>> any of these critical questions. Now, to those who purposely harbour
>>>>> such fugitives  and hatemongers, you must plainly fathom, that the
>>>>> current situation won't ever be infinite in any manner. I one day
>>>>> shall catch this Ali Sina and will then coerce him into direct
>>>>> engagement, whereas people as of Muslims and others alike can
>>>>> certainly see and judge. I genuinely believe that attainting this
>>>>> person's competency is much worse than actually putting him to death.
>>>>> If you're truly a man, you may then accept debating me. As of right
>>>>> now, he cowardly hides like a nasty mous. He is absolutely terrified
>>>>> of being caught and exposed. Had he been confident of himself, he
>>>>> would have then accepted my longly suspended debating proposal. His
>>>>> financial offer etc is just an enact to deride and avoid any potential
>>>>> confrontation. I, however, won't ever leave him on his own. Even if he
>>>>> hides below the seventh ground, I will chase him. I will keep beating
>>>>> him up until he is wholly destroyed. I knew where do you currently
>>>>> reside in Europe. We're going to meet soon, so watch out, son of
>>>>> Sina.,
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> alisina.org <http://www.alisina.org>
>>>> faithfreedom.org <http://www.faithfreedom.org>
>>>>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2019 18:22:38 -0700
> From: "BRUCE&JOY BRESLAUER" <breslauerj at gmail.com>
> To: "'Faith-talk, for the discussion of Blindness in faith and
> 	religion'"	<faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Faith-Talk] Bethlehem avenue, Ali Sina, has failed and
> 	he is in hell
> Message-ID: <00a501d5ab0a$7bbe2820$733a7860$@gmail.com>
>
> Mustafa,
>
> I will say what I have to say, and then I will not engage with you further.
>
> We are not the Western media.  We are a group of blind people here to
> discuss
>
> how blindness affects our lives as religious participants.  Sometimes the
> discussion does stray into religious beliefs, but we are not here to bash
> one
>
> another or to put one another down.  Many of us on this list are
> Christians,
> but the purpose of this list is not to debate religion.  We are not here to
> spread hatred or vitriol.  This is not the list to discuss your opinion of
> someone else's beliefs.  If you were truly interested in discussing
> religion
> calmly and rationally, that might be one thing.  We believe what we believe
> and
> you believe what you believe, and we will never agree.  You believe that
> what
>
> you believe is correct, and so do we.  So do adherents of every religion or
> nonreligion.  We can't all be right.  Two opposing views cannot both be
> true.
>
> The Bible says that Jesus said, "before Abraham was, I am," so he predates
> Mohammed and everyone else.  (John 8:58.)  There is nothing to debate.  I
> would
> rather go through my life and die believing what I believe.  If I am wrong,
> then I lose everything.  If I am right, then I gain everything.  I will
> gladly
> take the risk.  What about you?
>
> I'm sure you know that there are Christians and then there are Christians,
> just
> like there are Moslems and Moslems.  Some are strident and hateful, some
> are
> not.  We are all learning and striving to be better, especially if we live
> a
> life of prayer and contemplation, read the Scriptures, and exhibit the
> fruits
>
> of the Spirit to others: love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness,
> faithfulness, gentleness, and self-control. (Galatians 5: 22-23.)  These
> are
> not things I can conjure up on my own; they are the result of living the
> life
>
> of a connected branch.  (John 15:5.) Without being connected to that
> life-giving vine, I can do nothing.  I do not have the right to be
> judgmental,
> but I do have the right to be a fruit inspector. (Matthew 7:15-20.)  What I
> see
> is not a matter of my opinion; it is self-evident.  That is something you
> and
>
> Allah will have to come to terms with at some point.
>
> Many awful things have been done in the name of religion, every religion.
> That
> is not an excuse, it is a fact.
>
> Jesus willingly gave up His deity to come to earth as a man, to live among
> us
>
> for a time, to be crucified for our sins, and to rise from the dead
> victorious
> over sin and death.  He had to do it because no one else could.  No one
> else
> is
> pure enough, only God.  No one else is sinless--not you, not me, not
> Mohammed.
> Mohammed did not rise from the dead to eternal life.  Jesus did.  He said
> He
> would, and  that is why He came.  The tomb was sealed and guarded to
> prevent
> His getting out, and no one could believe it when He actually did.  Women
> spread the news, which was contrary to the culture of the day.  This is all
> fact, not conjecture.  He appeared to many people afterwards, hundreds at a
> time, so they couldn't continue with the conspiracy theories that maybe
> somebody stole the body.  The tomb was empty and the burial clothes were
> still
> there, wrapped up like a body was still in them.  People saw Him, complete
> with
> the nail prints in His hands and feet and the wound in His side.  They
> wrote
> down what they saw.  God's foolishness is wiser than man's wisdom.  (1
> Corinthians 1:25.)
>
> So the bottom line is, what will you do with this Jesus?  Either He is who
> He
>
> says He is, or he is a liar, or he is crazy.  If you truly search the
> Scriptures with an open mind and heart, you will find out which is true.
>
> Joy
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Faith-Talk <faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Mustafa
> Almahdy
>
> via Faith-Talk
> Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2019 2:21 PM
> To: faith-talk at nfbnet.org
> Cc: Mustafa Almahdy <against.trump2001 at gmail.com>; rickevans5 at gmail.com;
> tingram at hbbc.org; debbiedrylie at gmail.com; moore at donaldmoore.org;
> erickelly at bellsouth.net; dlgoza at jeffersonbaptist.org
> Subject: Re: [Faith-Talk] Bethlehem avenue, Ali Sina, has failed and he is
> in
>
> hell
>
> Well obviously, I knew who Lutherans are. The cardinal doctrine of
> justifying
>
> faith alone is not sufficient for me. I don't recall that I have spoken
> rudely
> to someone though. I am just asking for some proper equity, as Islam is
> being
>
> brought to discussion or even critique in western media. When doing so,
> it's
> constantly subjected to unfavourable judgement. It isn't fair at all, to
> intently insist to misportray Islam and its tenets through introducing it
> to
> the masses by intense haters, unjust viewers. Ali Sina deceives westerns
> when
>
> he tells them, that Islam couldn't cope with modern western fundamentals.
> Well, this isn't quite precise, critical or even transpicuous. Ali Sina is
> notoriously dishonest about everything related to Islam.
> Through eight consecutive centuries, Andalusian          Muslim
> civilisation has contributed distinctly outstanding breakthroughs to
> untutored
> Medieval denizens. So, Islam encourages its embracers to ponder, contribute
> and
> explore. Nonetheless, for the past 200 years, Muslims haven't invented
> anything
> useful to either themselves or others. Thence, they reached the back of the
> caravan and became such backward, influenced, defeated and manipulated
> nation.
> The Koran told Muslims, that they're the best of people, as long as they
> enjoin
> good, forbid evil and believe in God. So, if they failed to fulfill any of
> these terms, they're then no longer the best of people. One of the main
> reasons
> for which I love Islam so much, is the fact that it is the only faith on
> earth
> which criticises its own followers if they failed to maintain the competent
> status of proper religious tenets.
> Adhereing  certain concepts doesn't guarantee its believing individuals a
> blank
> check to heaven. There is no such thing in Islam.
> Islam advocates for a global vision of substantial reform in all life
> aspects.
> Therefore, despite anyone's ethnic affiliation, as long as he is firmly
> loyal
>
> to Islam, he could be the best of and even, at the top of its scholarship.
> So
>
> for instance, despite his enormously extraneous origin, for his uniquely
> masterpiece in Hadith discipline, imam Bukhari  became the invincible
> scholar
>
> on that regard. Well, he wasn't initially Arab. Nonetheless, he mastered
> Arabic
> and produced a wonderful textbook in its eloquent rhetoric. This
> extraordinary
> chef-d'oeuvre is broadly considered to be the top of major sunnah
> references
> and the most authentic source of Islam after the Koran, known as, (Sahih
> al-Bukhari). I hope we have a chance to introduce Islam to others as we see
> it
> and practice its tenets. I disregard a nasty version of Islam introduced by
> people like Ali Sina, who is merely a hatemonger, uses defamation of Islam
> to
>
> bootlick westerns and gain dominance among them. Outspokenly, that's a
> major
> threat, when working for hate, deceit, denouncement and deliberate
> denigration
> instantly becomes an emphatically recognised path to fame in the west.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 12/3/19, Ericka via Faith-Talk <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Not all Christians are evangelists. I am Lutheran. We are asked not so
>> much to shove Bible passages down peoples throats as to live our life
>> according toChrists' example and teaching. The Bible to me is not
>> something to be read literally and taken literally; it is a guidebook.
>> Through the examples of those who have acted respectfully and not so
>> respectfully we come to see ourselves in the Scriptures and learn how
>> to handle situations in a way that respects all of his creation
>> including the human beings on this earth. We are not called to be
>> drunken, gluttonous, greedy, arrogant, and so on. If you look in
>> Galatians for the fruits of the spirit, these are what we are called to
> beat
>> others and good suggestions to take care of yourself as well.
>> It looks like cell control something you need to work on as I don't
>> appreciate the rudeness you treated Adriana.
>>
>> God sent Jesus to us to free us from rules in the Old Testament since
>> apparently people weren't understanding what God wanted us to act and
>> why.
>>
>> Whether you're Jewish, Islamic or Christian etc. there are people who
>> are go to humans and then there are bad ones. Islamic dictator is
>> killing their own faithful is not any better than The Crusades. It's a
>> humanity problem that we all struggle with so you can't blame our
>> maker whether it be God as the Christian and see it, Allah, or the
>> supreme
>> being and so on. We screwup.
>> Instead of dissecting everything, why don't we start looking at the
>> common believes and bond together for a better world we have here too
>> and have it rather than hurting others, just respecting others and
>> either way not making our faiths look respectable.
>>
>> Ericka Nelson
>>
>>> On Dec 3, 2019, at 11:00 AM, Mustafa Almahdy via Faith-Talk
>>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> ?Well, you're in hell as of being such a miserable failure, not able
>>> to respond to my longly held debating challenge. As for good looking
>>> women, that's the maximum rate of someone at your disposal. I don't
>>> know about these things. But I know, that staring at women illicitly
>>> is strictly prohibited in Islam. Now, as these evangelists who
>>> cluselessly fend for your plainly hateful attitude may have noticed,
>>> you're not proselytising  to their faith in any manner. You're just
>>> spreading hate and deceit about Islam. Nonetheless, that seems to be
>>> quite sufficient for them to unconsciously endorse you. I think we're
>>> fully aware as of right now, who is truly detestable, despicable and
>>> immensely hypocritical. I still want to know, where did you earn the
>>> 100000$ which you sardonically offered from? Is working for
>>> Islamophobia and hatefully relevant industries eminently so
>>> profitable in western culture? As you're currently residing in the
>>> region of southeastern Europe, I wonder, what are you doing there? As
>>> Iranian based who has been extremely notorious of intently spreading
>>> hate, I couldn't unveil the nature of your work. Where does it fill?
>>> Ali Sina aims to provoke attenuated Muslims until they ultimately
>>> apostate. Be that as it may, he doesn't care about what do they embrace
>>> afterward.
>>> Is he promoting western secularism? I wonder if he perhaps could
>>> illustrate onto that. He says before that he is not an evangelist.
>>> Fine, what is he then? As to the faith talk folks, well, someone
>>> there has just told me, that I was demanded not to post to the list
> anymore.
>>> Well, excuse me but, this request clearly contradicts with an
>>> explicit statement that belongs to the list's essential guidelines.
>>> On your main info page, it says, "Persons of all faiths are welcome.
>>> Feel free to post, and have fun!". That what does it state there, very
>>> clearly.
>>> You can go to the list's info page and verify this claim. So, you may
>>> either remove the above statement and replace it with a statement
>>> that informs all viewers, that this list is exclusively restricted to
>>> Christian conversation and relevantly affiliated blindness interests.
>>> Or, you may say, that each and everyone that is not believing
>>> Christian is welcome to post except Muslims. We don't want them here
>>> anymore. I bet you couldn't post such thing on your main page because
>>> you will plainly violate allegedly embraced tenets of
>>> multiculturalism and coexistence. No no, sure you could. Hasn't
>>> Trump, master of peace and tolerance insistently declared such kind
>>> remarks about Muslims in the States and other minorities? What
>>> happened when I posted to the faith talk list stuff that may not
>>> necessarily concur with their beliefs or convictions as of religious and
>>> political orientation?
>>> Well, they immediately banned me from posting to the list. In other
>>> words, forcefully unsubscribed me. Well, if I will anyway be
>>> ostracised because of my religious and political opinion, what is
>>> then the proper use of the following statement? As quoted above, it
>>> says on your main info page, "persons of all faiths are welcome." So,
>>> it's either I am welcome or not welcome. I wonder if it could be
>>> both? It could be, as long as I speak against my own religion to
>>> please Americans, lords of the world. I unfortunately couldn't cope
>>> with such demand. So, I hope the temperament of the list's owners is
>>> clarified a bit. As for Ali Sina, good luck at your glorious journey
>>> of courting gorgeous women.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On 12/2/19, FFI <faithfreedom2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> I am in Ukraine, If this is hell it is too cold this time of the year.
>>>> But
>>>> the women here are actually very very beautiful.  Nice hell.
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Nov 29, 2019 at 9:45 PM Mustafa Almahdy
>>>> <against.trump2001 at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> For nearly three successive months, I have been persistently
>>>>> challenging Ali Sina to enter in a debate with me about the filth
>>>>> that he presumptuously writes about Islam. He obstinately calls the
>>>>> lasciviously based soliloquy of his own sickened prejudice
>>>>> worthwhile critique. He thence is afraid of venturing into this
>>>>> altercating field, so he may not lose his averred credibility among
>>>>> disinformed audience. He runs a vicious website entitled Ali Sina
>>>>> dot org. At its inception he writes, everything you need to know
>>>>> about Islam. He should have actually written, everything I intently
>>>>> lie to you about Islam. He unfortunately takes advantage of
>>>>> people's ignorance. He deliberately misleads his indoctrinated
>>>>> viewers. On his detestable website, he often writes about
>>>>> arbitrarily anonymous mortals who are allegedly Muslims. Therein,
>>>>> they have supposedly sought his eminent advice which has led to
>>>>> their ultimate apostasy. He evades conversing with me because I
> massively
>>>>> resemble a major threat to his reputation.
>>>>> I discredited his character and have posed decisive rebuttals to
>>>>> his truthiness. First off, why couldn't he release his accredited
>>>>> credentials or whatever that might be? Second, does he know Arabic?
>>>>> I previously demanded him to compose a basic sentence in Arabic,
>>>>> but he just couldn't. Third, in his recent message to me, he asked
>>>>> me to bring him someone to debate with, and he proposed to pay us
>>>>> 100000$, arranged half to half, between me and the one that I will
>>>>> bring. My question here is, why couldn't you just debate me for
>>>>> free? And, where did you get all this money from? Is working in the
>>>>> field of Islamophobia that profitable in the west? I hope he
>>>>> bravely answers any of these critical questions. Now, to those who
>>>>> purposely harbour such fugitives  and hatemongers, you must plainly
>>>>> fathom, that the current situation won't ever be infinite in any
>>>>> manner. I one day shall catch this Ali Sina and will then coerce
>>>>> him into direct engagement, whereas people as of Muslims and others
>>>>> alike can certainly see and judge. I genuinely believe that
>>>>> attainting this person's competency is much worse than actually
>>>>> putting
>>>>> him to death.
>>>>> If you're truly a man, you may then accept debating me. As of right
>>>>> now, he cowardly hides like a nasty mous. He is absolutely
>>>>> terrified of being caught and exposed. Had he been confident of
>>>>> himself, he would have then accepted my longly suspended debating
>>>>> proposal. His financial offer etc is just an enact to deride and
>>>>> avoid any potential confrontation. I, however, won't ever leave him
>>>>> on his own. Even if he hides below the seventh ground, I will chase
>>>>> him. I will keep beating him up until he is wholly destroyed. I
>>>>> knew where do you currently reside in Europe. We're going to meet
>>>>> soon, so watch out, son of Sina.,
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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> Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2019 23:30:18 -0500
> From: andrew edgcumbe <rollercoasterman86 at gmail.com>
> To: "Faith-talk, for the discussion of Blindness in faith and
> 	religion"	<faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Faith-Talk] Bethlehem avenue, Ali Sina, has failed and
> 	he is in hell
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> well i agree with Joy. this is not the list to discuss believs i
> thought this list was here to discuss blindness and issues blind
> people have within church not beliefs as such.  by looks of it you
> sent this essage to some of your contacts and included it in  the
> group within that contact list.  Either Jesus says  is who he says or
> he is a lyer and we have wasted our time in our churches worshiping a
> false  God. The thing is this we are not to hate one another nor put
> people down.
>
> On 12/4/19, BRUCE&JOY BRESLAUER via Faith-Talk <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
> wrote:
>> Mustafa,
>>
>> I will say what I have to say, and then I will not engage with you
> further.
>>
>> We are not the Western media.  We are a group of blind people here to
>> discuss
>> how blindness affects our lives as religious participants.  Sometimes the
>> discussion does stray into religious beliefs, but we are not here to bash
>> one
>> another or to put one another down.  Many of us on this list are
> Christians,
>>
>> but the purpose of this list is not to debate religion.  We are not here
> to
>>
>> spread hatred or vitriol.  This is not the list to discuss your opinion
>> of
>> someone else's beliefs.  If you were truly interested in discussing
> religion
>>
>> calmly and rationally, that might be one thing.  We believe what we
> believe
>> and
>> you believe what you believe, and we will never agree.  You believe that
>> what
>> you believe is correct, and so do we.  So do adherents of every religion
> or
>>
>> nonreligion.  We can't all be right.  Two opposing views cannot both be
>> true.
>> The Bible says that Jesus said, "before Abraham was, I am," so he
>> predates
>> Mohammed and everyone else.  (John 8:58.)  There is nothing to debate.  I
>> would
>> rather go through my life and die believing what I believe.  If I am
> wrong,
>>
>> then I lose everything.  If I am right, then I gain everything.  I will
>> gladly
>> take the risk.  What about you?
>>
>> I'm sure you know that there are Christians and then there are
>> Christians,
>> just
>> like there are Moslems and Moslems.  Some are strident and hateful, some
> are
>>
>> not.  We are all learning and striving to be better, especially if we
>> live
> a
>>
>> life of prayer and contemplation, read the Scriptures, and exhibit the
>> fruits
>> of the Spirit to others: love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness,
>> faithfulness, gentleness, and self-control. (Galatians 5: 22-23.)  These
> are
>>
>> not things I can conjure up on my own; they are the result of living the
>> life
>> of a connected branch.  (John 15:5.) Without being connected to that
>> life-giving vine, I can do nothing.  I do not have the right to be
>> judgmental,
>> but I do have the right to be a fruit inspector. (Matthew 7:15-20.)  What
> I
>> see
>> is not a matter of my opinion; it is self-evident.  That is something you
>> and
>> Allah will have to come to terms with at some point.
>>
>> Many awful things have been done in the name of religion, every religion.
>> That
>> is not an excuse, it is a fact.
>>
>> Jesus willingly gave up His deity to come to earth as a man, to live
>> among
>> us
>> for a time, to be crucified for our sins, and to rise from the dead
>> victorious
>> over sin and death.  He had to do it because no one else could.  No one
> else
>> is
>> pure enough, only God.  No one else is sinless--not you, not me, not
>> Mohammed.
>> Mohammed did not rise from the dead to eternal life.  Jesus did.  He said
> He
>>
>> would, and  that is why He came.  The tomb was sealed and guarded to
> prevent
>>
>> His getting out, and no one could believe it when He actually did.  Women
>> spread the news, which was contrary to the culture of the day.  This is
> all
>>
>> fact, not conjecture.  He appeared to many people afterwards, hundreds at
> a
>>
>> time, so they couldn't continue with the conspiracy theories that maybe
>> somebody stole the body.  The tomb was empty and the burial clothes were
>> still
>> there, wrapped up like a body was still in them.  People saw Him,
>> complete
>> with
>> the nail prints in His hands and feet and the wound in His side.  They
> wrote
>>
>> down what they saw.  God's foolishness is wiser than man's wisdom.  (1
>> Corinthians 1:25.)
>>
>> So the bottom line is, what will you do with this Jesus?  Either He is
>> who
>> He
>> says He is, or he is a liar, or he is crazy.  If you truly search the
>> Scriptures with an open mind and heart, you will find out which is true.
>>
>> Joy
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Faith-Talk <faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Mustafa
>> Almahdy
>> via Faith-Talk
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2019 2:21 PM
>> To: faith-talk at nfbnet.org
>> Cc: Mustafa Almahdy <against.trump2001 at gmail.com>; rickevans5 at gmail.com;
>> tingram at hbbc.org; debbiedrylie at gmail.com; moore at donaldmoore.org;
>> erickelly at bellsouth.net; dlgoza at jeffersonbaptist.org
>> Subject: Re: [Faith-Talk] Bethlehem avenue, Ali Sina, has failed and he
>> is
>> in
>> hell
>>
>> Well obviously, I knew who Lutherans are. The cardinal doctrine of
>> justifying
>> faith alone is not sufficient for me. I don't recall that I have spoken
>> rudely
>> to someone though. I am just asking for some proper equity, as Islam is
>> being
>> brought to discussion or even critique in western media. When doing so,
> it's
>>
>> constantly subjected to unfavourable judgement. It isn't fair at all, to
>> intently insist to misportray Islam and its tenets through introducing it
> to
>>
>> the masses by intense haters, unjust viewers. Ali Sina deceives westerns
>> when
>> he tells them, that Islam couldn't cope with modern western fundamentals.
>> Well, this isn't quite precise, critical or even transpicuous. Ali Sina
>> is
>> notoriously dishonest about everything related to Islam.
>> Through eight consecutive centuries, Andalusian          Muslim
>> civilisation has contributed distinctly outstanding breakthroughs to
>> untutored
>> Medieval denizens. So, Islam encourages its embracers to ponder,
> contribute
>> and
>> explore. Nonetheless, for the past 200 years, Muslims haven't invented
>> anything
>> useful to either themselves or others. Thence, they reached the back of
> the
>>
>> caravan and became such backward, influenced, defeated and manipulated
>> nation.
>> The Koran told Muslims, that they're the best of people, as long as they
>> enjoin
>> good, forbid evil and believe in God. So, if they failed to fulfill any
>> of
>> these terms, they're then no longer the best of people. One of the main
>> reasons
>> for which I love Islam so much, is the fact that it is the only faith on
>> earth
>> which criticises its own followers if they failed to maintain the
> competent
>>
>> status of proper religious tenets.
>> Adhereing  certain concepts doesn't guarantee its believing individuals a
>> blank
>> check to heaven. There is no such thing in Islam.
>> Islam advocates for a global vision of substantial reform in all life
>> aspects.
>> Therefore, despite anyone's ethnic affiliation, as long as he is firmly
>> loyal
>> to Islam, he could be the best of and even, at the top of its
>> scholarship.
>> So
>> for instance, despite his enormously extraneous origin, for his uniquely
>> masterpiece in Hadith discipline, imam Bukhari  became the invincible
>> scholar
>> on that regard. Well, he wasn't initially Arab. Nonetheless, he mastered
>> Arabic
>> and produced a wonderful textbook in its eloquent rhetoric. This
>> extraordinary
>> chef-d'oeuvre is broadly considered to be the top of major sunnah
> references
>>
>> and the most authentic source of Islam after the Koran, known as, (Sahih
>> al-Bukhari). I hope we have a chance to introduce Islam to others as we
> see
>> it
>> and practice its tenets. I disregard a nasty version of Islam introduced
> by
>>
>> people like Ali Sina, who is merely a hatemonger, uses defamation of
>> Islam
>> to
>> bootlick westerns and gain dominance among them. Outspokenly, that's a
> major
>>
>> threat, when working for hate, deceit, denouncement and deliberate
>> denigration
>> instantly becomes an emphatically recognised path to fame in the west.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 12/3/19, Ericka via Faith-Talk <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> Not all Christians are evangelists. I am Lutheran. We are asked not so
>>> much to shove Bible passages down peoples throats as to live our life
>>> according toChrists' example and teaching. The Bible to me is not
>>> something to be read literally and taken literally; it is a guidebook.
>>> Through the examples of those who have acted respectfully and not so
>>> respectfully we come to see ourselves in the Scriptures and learn how
>>> to handle situations in a way that respects all of his creation
>>> including the human beings on this earth. We are not called to be
>>> drunken, gluttonous, greedy, arrogant, and so on. If you look in
>>> Galatians for the fruits of the spirit, these are what we are called to
>>> beat
>>> others and good suggestions to take care of yourself as well.
>>> It looks like cell control something you need to work on as I don't
>>> appreciate the rudeness you treated Adriana.
>>>
>>> God sent Jesus to us to free us from rules in the Old Testament since
>>> apparently people weren't understanding what God wanted us to act and
>>> why.
>>>
>>> Whether you're Jewish, Islamic or Christian etc. there are people who
>>> are go to humans and then there are bad ones. Islamic dictator is
>>> killing their own faithful is not any better than The Crusades. It's a
>>> humanity problem that we all struggle with so you can't blame our
>>> maker whether it be God as the Christian and see it, Allah, or the
> supreme
>>>
>>> being and so on. We screwup.
>>> Instead of dissecting everything, why don't we start looking at the
>>> common believes and bond together for a better world we have here too
>>> and have it rather than hurting others, just respecting others and
>>> either way not making our faiths look respectable.
>>>
>>> Ericka Nelson
>>>
>>>> On Dec 3, 2019, at 11:00 AM, Mustafa Almahdy via Faith-Talk
>>>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> ?Well, you're in hell as of being such a miserable failure, not able
>>>> to respond to my longly held debating challenge. As for good looking
>>>> women, that's the maximum rate of someone at your disposal. I don't
>>>> know about these things. But I know, that staring at women illicitly
>>>> is strictly prohibited in Islam. Now, as these evangelists who
>>>> cluselessly fend for your plainly hateful attitude may have noticed,
>>>> you're not proselytising  to their faith in any manner. You're just
>>>> spreading hate and deceit about Islam. Nonetheless, that seems to be
>>>> quite sufficient for them to unconsciously endorse you. I think we're
>>>> fully aware as of right now, who is truly detestable, despicable and
>>>> immensely hypocritical. I still want to know, where did you earn the
>>>> 100000$ which you sardonically offered from? Is working for
>>>> Islamophobia and hatefully relevant industries eminently so
>>>> profitable in western culture? As you're currently residing in the
>>>> region of southeastern Europe, I wonder, what are you doing there? As
>>>> Iranian based who has been extremely notorious of intently spreading
>>>> hate, I couldn't unveil the nature of your work. Where does it fill?
>>>> Ali Sina aims to provoke attenuated Muslims until they ultimately
>>>> apostate. Be that as it may, he doesn't care about what do they embrace
>>>> afterward.
>>>> Is he promoting western secularism? I wonder if he perhaps could
>>>> illustrate onto that. He says before that he is not an evangelist.
>>>> Fine, what is he then? As to the faith talk folks, well, someone
>>>> there has just told me, that I was demanded not to post to the list
>>>> anymore.
>>>> Well, excuse me but, this request clearly contradicts with an
>>>> explicit statement that belongs to the list's essential guidelines.
>>>> On your main info page, it says, "Persons of all faiths are welcome.
>>>> Feel free to post, and have fun!". That what does it state there, very
>>>> clearly.
>>>> You can go to the list's info page and verify this claim. So, you may
>>>> either remove the above statement and replace it with a statement
>>>> that informs all viewers, that this list is exclusively restricted to
>>>> Christian conversation and relevantly affiliated blindness interests.
>>>> Or, you may say, that each and everyone that is not believing
>>>> Christian is welcome to post except Muslims. We don't want them here
>>>> anymore. I bet you couldn't post such thing on your main page because
>>>> you will plainly violate allegedly embraced tenets of
>>>> multiculturalism and coexistence. No no, sure you could. Hasn't
>>>> Trump, master of peace and tolerance insistently declared such kind
>>>> remarks about Muslims in the States and other minorities? What
>>>> happened when I posted to the faith talk list stuff that may not
>>>> necessarily concur with their beliefs or convictions as of religious
>>>> and
>>>>
>>>> political orientation?
>>>> Well, they immediately banned me from posting to the list. In other
>>>> words, forcefully unsubscribed me. Well, if I will anyway be
>>>> ostracised because of my religious and political opinion, what is
>>>> then the proper use of the following statement? As quoted above, it
>>>> says on your main info page, "persons of all faiths are welcome." So,
>>>> it's either I am welcome or not welcome. I wonder if it could be
>>>> both? It could be, as long as I speak against my own religion to
>>>> please Americans, lords of the world. I unfortunately couldn't cope
>>>> with such demand. So, I hope the temperament of the list's owners is
>>>> clarified a bit. As for Ali Sina, good luck at your glorious journey
>>>> of courting gorgeous women.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On 12/2/19, FFI <faithfreedom2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> I am in Ukraine, If this is hell it is too cold this time of the year.
>>>>> But
>>>>> the women here are actually very very beautiful.  Nice hell.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Nov 29, 2019 at 9:45 PM Mustafa Almahdy
>>>>> <against.trump2001 at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> For nearly three successive months, I have been persistently
>>>>>> challenging Ali Sina to enter in a debate with me about the filth
>>>>>> that he presumptuously writes about Islam. He obstinately calls the
>>>>>> lasciviously based soliloquy of his own sickened prejudice
>>>>>> worthwhile critique. He thence is afraid of venturing into this
>>>>>> altercating field, so he may not lose his averred credibility among
>>>>>> disinformed audience. He runs a vicious website entitled Ali Sina
>>>>>> dot org. At its inception he writes, everything you need to know
>>>>>> about Islam. He should have actually written, everything I intently
>>>>>> lie to you about Islam. He unfortunately takes advantage of
>>>>>> people's ignorance. He deliberately misleads his indoctrinated
>>>>>> viewers. On his detestable website, he often writes about
>>>>>> arbitrarily anonymous mortals who are allegedly Muslims. Therein,
>>>>>> they have supposedly sought his eminent advice which has led to
>>>>>> their ultimate apostasy. He evades conversing with me because I
>>>>>> massively
>>>>>> resemble a major threat to his reputation.
>>>>>> I discredited his character and have posed decisive rebuttals to
>>>>>> his truthiness. First off, why couldn't he release his accredited
>>>>>> credentials or whatever that might be? Second, does he know Arabic?
>>>>>> I previously demanded him to compose a basic sentence in Arabic,
>>>>>> but he just couldn't. Third, in his recent message to me, he asked
>>>>>> me to bring him someone to debate with, and he proposed to pay us
>>>>>> 100000$, arranged half to half, between me and the one that I will
>>>>>> bring. My question here is, why couldn't you just debate me for
>>>>>> free? And, where did you get all this money from? Is working in the
>>>>>> field of Islamophobia that profitable in the west? I hope he
>>>>>> bravely answers any of these critical questions. Now, to those who
>>>>>> purposely harbour such fugitives  and hatemongers, you must plainly
>>>>>> fathom, that the current situation won't ever be infinite in any
>>>>>> manner. I one day shall catch this Ali Sina and will then coerce
>>>>>> him into direct engagement, whereas people as of Muslims and others
>>>>>> alike can certainly see and judge. I genuinely believe that
>>>>>> attainting this person's competency is much worse than actually
> putting
>>>>>>
>>>>>> him to death.
>>>>>> If you're truly a man, you may then accept debating me. As of right
>>>>>> now, he cowardly hides like a nasty mous. He is absolutely
>>>>>> terrified of being caught and exposed. Had he been confident of
>>>>>> himself, he would have then accepted my longly suspended debating
>>>>>> proposal. His financial offer etc is just an enact to deride and
>>>>>> avoid any potential confrontation. I, however, won't ever leave him
>>>>>> on his own. Even if he hides below the seventh ground, I will chase
>>>>>> him. I will keep beating him up until he is wholly destroyed. I
>>>>>> knew where do you currently reside in Europe. We're going to meet
>>>>>> soon, so watch out, son of Sina.,
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>> <http://www.faithfreedom.org>
>>>>>
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