[Faith-Talk] concerning me serving and bit of my story

Sat Dec 7 02:19:40 UTC 2019

well mostly is that they  people have trouble truly beliving i can do
things truly don't believe i can do things. I tell them i want to do
things  but what happens is blindness comes up and stuff like that.
the thing is this i was t thought i would be able to help with tuck
shop but i kept after pastor the youth pastor but the thing was this I
 was there one night and he really didn't want me doing it and he said
that i couldn't because i would be stolen from because i am blind.
thought he was going to have me teamed up though. Also I had done the
salvation army kettles for few years but last year when I vollunteered
to do it the salvation army turned my help down  he told me I needed
somebody with me and stuff like that.  well I have nobody that can hel
be with me to do it.

On 12/6/19, David Moore via Faith-Talk <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Yes, I totally understand!
> When are you misunderstood the most?
> In what situations do you feel that people are not understanding you?
> I will be on here later, and we can talk some more!
> David Moore
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>
> From: andrew edgcumbe via Faith-Talk
> Sent: Friday, December 6, 2019 8:53 PM
> To: Faith-talk, for the discussion of Blindness in faith and religion
> Cc: andrew edgcumbe
> Subject: Re: [Faith-Talk] concerning me serving and bit of my story
>
> well for me it depends what you mean by communicating my needs it
> depends who I am around and  stuff like that. I use a white cane
> myself actually. Sometimes i could say the same thing about out going
> i am i can both be out going but sometimes not so out going depends on
> my day. I not always the type to let people come to me only as I know
> it is a two way streak. for me I  just depends on situation and it is
> hard f to be comfortable with people sometimes  if i can't seem to get
> my point across it depends on the situation.
>
> On 12/6/19, David Moore via Faith-Talk <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Do you communicate your needs well to people?
>> Do you use a cane or dog?
>> Are you outgoing or more shy?
>> I am not at all being nosey, but I am just trying to get to know how to
>> help
>> you and give you suggestions!
>> I am so glad we can talk!
>> David Moore
>>
>> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>>
>> From: andrew edgcumbe via Faith-Talk
>> Sent: Friday, December 6, 2019 8:27 PM
>> To: Faith-talk, for the discussion of Blindness in faith and religion
>> Cc: andrew edgcumbe
>> Subject: Re: [Faith-Talk] concerning me serving and bit of my story
>>
>> one of the things is this i have had experiences where  i feel so miss
>> understood. a blind person is not dumb nor bad nor anything like that.
>> I just want to be able to serve and help in some way.
>>
>> On 12/6/19, David Moore via Faith-Talk <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> The Church of Christ is very Biblically based, sort of like the Baptist
>>> church, but the church of Christ believes the Bible is the only
>>> authority,
>>> and each congregation is autonomous from one another!
>>> Each congregation is responsible for itself, and has elders, deacons, and
>>> ministers.
>>> We try as much as possible, to follow the pattern of the first century
>>> church which was set up by God speaking through the authority of the
>>> apostles!
>>> I hope that helps!
>>> Email me when you want, Andrew!
>>> David Moore
>>>
>>> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>>>
>>> From: Ericka via Faith-Talk
>>> Sent: Friday, December 6, 2019 5:43 PM
>>> To: Faith-talk, for the discussion of Blindness in faith and religion
>>> Cc: Ericka
>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-Talk] concerning me serving and bit of my story
>>>
>>> There’s a big difference between Mormons and the church of Christ.
>>> Mormons
>>> go by Church of Christ of latter day Saints. The church of Christ is more
>>> like a Baptist church than anything else I can explain. I’ll let David
>>> tell
>>> you more. I have close friends that either grew up in the church of
>>> Christ
>>> or decided not to get confirmed in the United Church of Christ and attend
>>> church of Christ instead pier it was a very good question. I have a very
>>> good friend who is also a Mormon and they have a very different way of
>>> looking at things then fundamentalist Christians or Lutherans or
>>> Pentecostals etc. I can’t even say it’s even close to the Catholic Church
>>> either. They’re rotten people everywhere there are great people
>>> everywhere
>>> too. You just have to look for them.
>>>
>>> Just one note – – not every church of Christ is the same either. I had
>>> more
>>> trouble being excepted when I would go to events at my friends church. I
>>> was
>>> welcome to be there but they weren’t very welcoming to me as they were to
>>> my
>>> sighted friends from other face they came in. That’s why I encouraged
>>> going
>>> to as many churches as you’re able and learning about things. Many of the
>>> worlds problems are not solvable easily because it requires humanity to
>>> abide by God’s will, not the free will to do whatever we want.
>>>
>>> Sorry for the paragraph in mass and using stream of consciousness. Hope I
>>> got things across well enough. Have a great weekend everyone and now I
>>> will
>>> put in a new load of laundry. So glad I don’t have to feed washers and
>>> dryer‘s quarters anymore!
>>>
>>> Ericka Nelson
>>>
>>>> On Dec 6, 2019, at 4:35 PM, andrew edgcumbe via Faith-Talk
>>>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> is this the morman church or actually the church of christ?
>>>>
>>>>> On 12/6/19, David Moore via Faith-Talk <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>> Hi Andrew!
>>>>> I have been in some churches where I was taken to the front of the
>>>>> church
>>>>> and they prayed over me right there for me to see!
>>>>> I have been in many churches where everyone only wanted me to see.
>>>>> They thought that was all I needed.
>>>>> They did not see me as needing friends like anyone else!
>>>>> All they concentrated on was for me needing to see and that was all!
>>>>> Traci and I are in a Church of Christ, and they do not even see my
>>>>> blindness!
>>>>> Look for a Church of Christ in your area, because they seem to not see
>>>>> you
>>>>> as blind.
>>>>> They let me teach Sunday school, read scripture, lead adult classes,
>>>>> and
>>>>> what ever I want to do!
>>>>> They see me as just like anyone else!
>>>>> They are the best church I have ever been in where they treat me like
>>>>> anyone
>>>>> else!
>>>>> Thank you for your story, Andrew, and I will pray for you!
>>>>> David Moore
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>>>>>
>>>>> From: andrew edgcumbe via Faith-Talk
>>>>> Sent: Friday, December 6, 2019 4:10 PM
>>>>> To: Faith-talk, for the discussion of Blindness in faith and religion
>>>>> Cc: andrew edgcumbe
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-Talk] concerning me serving and bit of my story
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi  actually there is probably 3 or 4 or 5 churches and then there are
>>>>> churches in surrounding communities but i been to quite a few and it
>>>>> is hard to find get my needs met.
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 12/6/19, Ericka via Faith-Talk <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>> Andrew, please write me off list. You and my husband seem to have a
>>>>>> lot
>>>>>> in
>>>>>> common except he’s older than you. Perhaps between the two of you you
>>>>>> can’t
>>>>>> either solve this problem or at least you have a Christian friend who
>>>>>> understands for support. Sorry were in the US. I guess Wisconsin isn’t
>>>>>> too
>>>>>> far from the Canadian border. LOL I will give you my husbands email
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> cell
>>>>>> phone number off-line. I am going to forward your email message  So he
>>>>>> can
>>>>>> help you better and let him know that this person is going to contact
>>>>>> him.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We have not been prayed over or told our faith isn’t strong enough to
>>>>>> see
>>>>>> too often thankfully. But this is really crazy and unless you have
>>>>>> strong
>>>>>> scriptural information to change their hearts and minds they will
>>>>>> always
>>>>>> see
>>>>>> you as someone who sin prevents you from seeing or whatever crazy
>>>>>> thought
>>>>>> they have. I would go to different churches if you can and attend a
>>>>>> couple
>>>>>> of services, talk to the pastor and maybe do some googling about the
>>>>>> denomination or nondenominational beliefs. Some people call his church
>>>>>> shopping. You’ll know what feels right and where you are most
>>>>>> excepted.
>>>>>> Keep
>>>>>> talking to Jesus. I know that It’s tough to do in a small community.
>>>>>> Some
>>>>>> communities only have two churches and not necessarily within the city
>>>>>> limits. My heart goes out to you and so do my prayers.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ericka Nelson
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Dec 5, 2019, at 10:20 PM, andrew edgcumbe via Faith-Talk
>>>>>>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi as i almost started to reply again i realized that the subject
>>>>>>> line
>>>>>>> did not reflect my stuff what a fool i am as i want acerate subject
>>>>>>> lines. so trying to do what we w told to do. Anyway getting into what
>>>>>>> I said in the other emails. I think I will put some of my story or my
>>>>>>> story.  Anyway before i talk about my struggles actually they might
>>>>>>> end up within my story. it might be shorter then some will see.
>>>>>>> Anyway
>>>>>>> I was born in a Christian home. I  at that time had some site but I
>>>>>>> lost the rest of my sight at the age of 11. I  lost rest of my site
>>>>>>> at
>>>>>>> age 11 due to retnal detachment.  after that i couldn't see colours i
>>>>>>> could see nothing at all. I did ask the lord into my heart around age
>>>>>>> 13. I also did that when I sat in bedroom with my mom when i prayed
>>>>>>> the sinners prayer and asked him in.  I did end up not really praying
>>>>>>> or paying much attention to scripture or prayer   some time after
>>>>>>> that. I  did come back running back to Christ after that.  I asked
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> lord redeadicated my life back to christ actually. I actually  after
>>>>>>> that got baptized  and around the time of my baptism I  was going to
>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>> school for the blind I didn't have an easy time of it when I went to
>>>>>>> the school for the blind the year and a half i was there.  had
>>>>>>> hardest
>>>>>>> time with room mates. and just being bullied and things. I never was
>>>>>>> bullied much until i went to the school for the blind in Brantford.
>>>>>>> So i did finally graduate from school for the blind  which i was so
>>>>>>> glad to be able to do.  After that I did go through a month or two
>>>>>>> month employment program i did get a small job at a furniture
>>>>>>> factory.
>>>>>>> I actually ran into struggles then even one night I felt really down
>>>>>>> i
>>>>>>> felt like I had no real friends I had thoughts of wanting to end my
>>>>>>> life.  but no  plan to do anything though.  but anyway a person who i
>>>>>>> had been talking to that night  reported me to the police and the
>>>>>>> cops
>>>>>>> came to check on me to make sure i was safe. I did go  into
>>>>>>> counciling
>>>>>>> actually. I  had something happen to similar affect happen 2 or 3
>>>>>>> years later when somebody from the blind community was involved who
>>>>>>> called cops that is but anyway I have had allot of struggles fitting
>>>>>>> into church over  all i could go to groups bible studdies or sunday
>>>>>>> morning stuff but it was problematic when it comes to those serv
>>>>>>> letting me serve there were times pastor almost gave me that glimmer
>>>>>>> of hope when it came to serving then was not long before that was
>>>>>>> taken from me as he brought up my blindness. even recently i was
>>>>>>> talking to somebody who is blind who said that pastors can be
>>>>>>> hezatant
>>>>>>> on letting the blind serve.  I have been excluded from certain
>>>>>>> activities when people get into clicks. Friendships is something I
>>>>>>> have really needed. I was told by some i needed a healing and that
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> devil stole my sight.  I also have had experiences where even some
>>>>>>> places  i tried to vollunteer at wouldn't let me even. I do live in a
>>>>>>> small town. Anyway just september 2019 I had another issue i got
>>>>>>> talking to somebody i may have said i was going to give up but can't
>>>>>>> recall what i said but at 1 30 the police had showed up to my place
>>>>>>> now let me back track before i we go any further. I used to live with
>>>>>>> my parents.  in 2016 I  moved into town and get bit of help from some
>>>>>>> support staff but for most part i am fairly independent although i
>>>>>>> have desire to do even more independently for myself. but anyway cops
>>>>>>> came around 1 30  in the morning. I  got knock from staff and in came
>>>>>>> the two cops behind him first off staff said are you feeling okay and
>>>>>>> then he said somebody is here to see you was his words. Anyway  they
>>>>>>> talked to me for a bit but anyway my building soupervisor came to
>>>>>>> chat
>>>>>>> with me the next morning.  My life has not been easy.  I been
>>>>>>> searching for stuff and often what I been feeling is like something
>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>> missing in my life. when it comes to friends or something like that.
>>>>>>> I  am trying to find my purpose in life and it has been hard. I  been
>>>>>>> needing some sort of purpose in my life and stuff like that and need
>>>>>>> ways of  vollunteer and  things i can do as i need things i can do so
>>>>>>> I can be both fophiled and things to do that have a purpose to them.
>>>>>>> I have not parked myself in a particular church and i really unsure
>>>>>>> if
>>>>>>> i really fit in any church at all it often feels that way to me
>>>>>>> anyway.  and it is like people can't help me be involved in a sence
>>>>>>> and i don't get anywhere when i bring it up. as I said i live in a
>>>>>>> small town so it can be much harder to find things to do and small
>>>>>>> tons may or may not have much.  As i said I really going to church to
>>>>>>> church sort of in a sence as i have trouble finding some sence of
>>>>>>> belonging as i both want to serve and want to be around or have
>>>>>>> connection with christian people my age. I am 32 years old.  and i
>>>>>>> want to connect with people my age.  i been searching for answers and
>>>>>>> searching for needs of mine at timeas actually quite often I feel
>>>>>>> restless and stuff like that.  I  am connected with canadian nfb
>>>>>>> canadian version but i have not gotten anywhere with them it is kind
>>>>>>> of hard when somebody isn't here to know how to help me inless they
>>>>>>> are there near me.  There is no blind groups in my area that get
>>>>>>> together and stuff like that.  Thanks for letting me share.
>>>>>>>
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