[Faith-Talk] Christ in Truth

Sun Dec 22 06:38:43 UTC 2019

In the  recent correspondence, someone responded that Jesus has been
inspired by the Holy Spirit to do miracles. Is this assumption based
on a premise uttered on the lips of Jesus? He never said so. It was
actually John, the allegedly author of the fourth gospel who has
fallaciously attributed statements about the Holy Spirit that are
concording with the Christian conception of the matter on the lips of
Jesus. Thence, what is the Holy Spirit in Islam then? He is Gabriel,
peace be upon him. He is eminently held in the most high of the
celestial hierarchy. He is devoted to convey divine sentiment to
messengers so they would then relate them to humans. Monotheists
throughout consecutive phases have recognised him. Nonetheless, they
never attributed him to divine status. Even Jews knew him but they do
not worship creation of God. So, as to this doctrine, the Holy Spirit
inspiring to people, has this tenet been known to Abraham? If so, why
hasn't he spoken about it? Has this theological discernment been known
to Moses? If so, why hasn't he taught it to his companions? This
doctrine has been innovated by later scribes. Otherwise, it would have
then been widely known at the beginning. So folks, religion in
American culture is essentially based on fluxed elements of cultural,
heathenish and broadly denominational convictions. Islam is quite
plain, simple and straightforward. I call you guys to seriously
consider entering Islam. If you're Americans and religion truly
matters to you, you don't just pretend so, then Islam is the only
faith that Jesus has worshiped God with. You could now dispose of this
post and go on with your regular occupations. You would then be quite
dishonourable to yourselves. In addition to that, if we theoretically
suppose, that Jesus has been inspired by the Holy Spirit to do
miraculous acts, he would still be dependent on someone to perform
great stuff. How could he be God then? Moreover, is the Holy Spirit
actually independent of what he inspires to people or is he wholly
dependant on the Father? If you say, he is dependant, he then isn't
God. If you say independent, then there are two Gods. The Father, and
the Holy Spirit. That would be then quite contradictory to what you
folks say about the Trinity, which as you claim, is the triune being
consists of three coequal characters. Please folks, don't ever assume
that I am just attempting to bait or provoke your offence with this. I
swear to Whom my soul lies in His Hand, this is not my intention what
so ever. I love all of you and thence, wish to bestow you with the
most gracious thing in this world, Islam. I have studied Islam quite
well. In addition, I studied and deeply looked at various faiths and
notions. I don't need to palter or philosophise the matter in Islam. I
have even studied and longly conversed with Atheists, including modern
ones, like Sam Harris, some of you may have heard of him. I have
caught one common trouble amongst all these numerous isms, and that's,
they wholly are based on preset concepts. Islam though, has the
necessity to examine each and every proclamation of embracing truth,
even what is that of its own. That's why, Islam is just so unique for
what it resembles and represents. Each and every narrative of either
the Koran or even the Sunnah, has to primarily based on integrity.
Therefore, those scholars who studied Hadith literature, have actually
declined some of good sounding stories, because they didn't meet the
requirements. Islam is tremendously pragmatic and rotatory in its
essence. Thereupon, has been warmly accepted by people from various
social, cultural, ethnical and racial backgrounds. I finally thank you
all for reading this, and I apologise if I caused inconvenience to
anyone because of what I said. Thank you so much for reading,
cordially.

On 12/21/19, BRUCE&JOY BRESLAUER <breslauerj at gmail.com> wrote:
> Thank you for attempting to explain why you think Jesus is not and cannot be
>
> God.  Nonetheless, in God's opinion, that does not give you the right to
> attribute your opinion to be the truth.
>
> Jesus and Joshua both mean Savior.
> Emanuel means God with us.
> Messiah or Christ means the chosen one or the anointed one.  It is a title
> rather than a name.  It is not Jesus' last name.
>
> Genesis 17-19:  Who were Abraham's visitors?  Who had the power to destroy
> Sodom and Gomorrah?
> Jesus fulfilled prophesy.
> The so-called Old Testament, written hundreds of years before Jesus' birth,
>
> contains over 300 prophesies that He fulfilled during his earthly life,
> death,
> and resurrection.  What are the odds of that happening if he is not God?
> 1 Peter 1:19-20
> John 1:13 and following
> Revelation 13:8
> The Messiah will be born in Bethlehem:  Micah 5:2; Matthew 2:16; Luke
> 2:1-15;
> John 7:42;
>   The Messiah will be born of a virgin: Isaiah 7:14; Isaiah 9:6-7; Matthew
> 1:20-23
> The Messiah will be a prophet like Moses: Deuteronomy 18:15; John 7:40-42;
> Acts
> 3:20-23
> The Messiah will be tempted by Satan: Psalms 92:10-12; Matthew 4:5-7
>  The Messiah will enter Jerusalem triumphantly: Zechariah 9:9; Matthew
> 21:8-11;
> Luke 19:35-37 John 12:12-15;
> The Messiah will be rejected by His own people: Isaiah 53:1-3; John 1:10-11;
>
> John 12:37-38; Matthew 26:3-4;
> The Messiah will be betrayed by one of His followers: Psalms 41:9; Psalms
> 55:12-13; Matthew 26:47, 49-50; Luke 22:21-22; 47; John 13:18-21-26
> The Messiah will be betrayed for thirty pieces of silver: Zechariah
> 11:12-13;
> Matthew 26:14-16; Matthew 27:3-4;
> The Messiah will be tried and condemned: Isaiah 53:8; Matthew 27:1-2; Luke
> 23:1; 23; Acts 4:26-28;
> There are hundreds of others, too many to list here.
>
> John 3; Matthew 3:3; Isaiah 40:3; Matthew 3:17; Matthew 17:5;
> Luke 10:1-25 Who could do this but God?
> Philippians 2:6-11 this means you, too.
> Luke 24
> Acts 7:1-54
> Acts 26:1-29
> Colossians 1:15-20
> Hebrews 1:3
> There are other verses that have been suggested to you and you have rejected
>
> them out of hand.  You do have the free will to reject the truth until the
> day
> you die.  If I thought you were sincerely interested in whether Jesus is
> God,
> rather than trying to prove that he isn't, I might pursue this further.
> Nevertheless, there is enough evidence that He is God to keep you busy for a
>
> lifetime, should you choose to seek it.
>
> When Jesus took on human form and was born of a woman, he did not give up
> being
> God to do so.  Most of the trouble he got into was by declaring that he is
> God,
> which the people around Him didn't particularly like.  It ended up costing
> him
> His earthly existence, but He surprised everyone by His resurrection from
> the
> dead, and the fact that he has eternal life and always has had, but now
> since
> he broke the bonds of death as a man, we can, too.  Jesus has always been
> God,
> but He has not always been man.  He took on that nature to show us the way
> to
> eternal life.  He didn't give up anything of being God to become man.  He
> didn't turn into a man from being God.  He is not some half-man-half-God
> creature.  His two natures do not mix or comingle or modify each other to
> become some kind of weird third nature.  He is entirely God and entirely man
> at
> the same time, without sinning.  He paid our sin debt because He is the only
>
> one who can.  John 1:29.  That is what Passover foreshadows.  That is what
> separates Christianity from all other religions.  That is why we celebrate
> Christmas.
>
> As you have said, I genuinely do not destine to provoke or offend anyone
> here.
> I just urge people to ponder in the light of what the scripture has actually
>
> taught.
>
> Back to lurk mode.
>
> Joy
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mustafa Almahdy <against.trump2001 at gmail.com>
> Sent: Friday, December 20, 2019 7:21 PM
> To: BRUCE&JOY BRESLAUER <breslauerj at gmail.com>
> Cc: faith-talk at nfbnet.org; debbiedrylie at gmail.com; moore at donaldmoore.org;
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>
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> brandy at providencecharleston.org
> Subject: Re: [Faith-Talk] South Carolina avenue, Christ in Truth
>
> Well, thank you all for attempting to share with me your perception of
> Christmas etc. I appreciate you taking turns on that. Nonetheless, that
> still,
> in my opinion, doesn't give you the right to attribute the Nativity with
> pagan
> origins. What you say may apparently sound good but, Jesus hasn't commanded
> you
> to do so. In addition, he never said to anyone I am God. He has been called,
>
> Rabbi, Teacher and Lord. Lord has a figurative entailment though. So, for
> instance, the British parliament is called house of Lords. Does that mean
> it's
> the house of Gods? Someone has to be pathetically dumbstricken to presume
> so.
> Allah has given us plain intellects to thoroughly cogitate with. Why would
> Jesus palter about his divine status? Had he been absolutely exalted, he
> would
> have stated that explicitly. Hasn't Jesus fell on his face in prayer? Hasn't
> he
> prayed at dawn? Muslims do both. That what makes him a Muslim prophet. He
> came
> with the message of Monotheism as those who were before him. That's why when
> he
> was asked about the greatest commandment, he said, "Thou shalt love the Lord
>
> thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
> This
> is the first and greatest commandment." So, had he been genuinely divine, he
>
> would have just revealed this to the questioner. I quote the subsequent
> segment
> of Mark 12 29, Jesus says, answering the same question about the greatest
> commandment, "Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one." Now, had
> he
> been divine or the mid character of a triune being, he would have just
> stated
> it. Now folks, I am not here to stark an argument, provoke you or cause a
> stir.
> I just urge you to sternly ponder onto the intriguing conclusions I drew out
> of
> this. I was demanded to read the Bible by some Arabic missionary activists.
> I
> read it and that's what I found. Jesus speaks of Monotheism while others
> falsely attribute divinity to him. Even the situation of Thomas when he
> uttered, my God my Lord, he exclaimed out of awe, reverence to God because
> Jesus has done something miraculous before him. Does God perform miracles?
> If
> yes, he would have not been God then. Miracles are incredible acts that are
>
> carried out by individuals with the Will of Allah to prove their
> proclamation
> of prophethood. God doesn't perform miracles. God does anything and it
> wouldn't
> b seen as unusual or exceptional. But, if a human brings dead to life, walks
> on
> the water surface etc, he indeed comes with miraculous acts, then it's God
> Whom
> shall we glorify, not the one that God allowed him temporarily, to do
> unusual
> things. That's my simplified idea, in a nutshell. Thanks for reading,
> adieu.
>
>
>
>
> On 12/20/19, BRUCE&JOY BRESLAUER <breslauerj at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Mustafa,
>>
>> I think you have asked some good questions, but this list is not the
>> list on
>>
>> which to debate them.  I can give you my idea of some short answers to
>> your
>>
>> questions, but in so doing, I would not be trying to convince you of
>> the rightness of my thinking or the wrongness of yours.  It would be
>> just one person's explanation of their faith, and even members of the
>> same faith disagree on some things.  My faith is very important to me,
>> as yours is to you.
>> It defines my life and how I live it.  It teaches me to love my
>> friends and my enemies, to pray for those, and to treat others with
>> the same respect and kindness with which I would like to be treated,
>> especially others with whom I disagree.
>>
>> Many people have come from many different lands to settle in America,
>> and in so doing, have made it a great country.  They have brought
>> their traditions with them, many of which are Christmas traditions.
>> The Christmas tree is a popular symbol of Christmas because it is an
>> evergreen tree, meaning it stays green all the time, reminding us of
>> the eternal life we have in Jesus Christ.  Many of
>>
>> the Christian traditions around gift giving have evolved because God
>> gave us
>>
>> the gift of Christ.  Many of the hymns and songs we sing at Christmas
>> came here from other countries.  I also lament the secularization and
>> cheapening of the Christmas celebration, but that doesn't stop me from
>> keeping it in my own heart and home.
>>
>> I think we all know that Jesus was not born on December 25, but the
>> fact that He was born at all is what we celebrate.  Even that wouldn't
>> be out of the ordinary if he wasn't born of a virgin, which under
>> normal circumstances would not be possible, or if he had not risen
>> from the dead after he was killed and put in a tomb.  The miracle of
>> Christmas is what we celebrate.  The fact that Jesus is God is what we
>> celebrate.
>>
>> May you all have a blessed day, and a merry Christmas season.  Joy
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Mustafa Almahdy <against.trump2001 at gmail.com>
>> Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2019 9:07 AM
>> To: Faith-talk, for the discussion of Blindness in faith and religion
>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: BRUCE&JOY BRESLAUER <breslauerj at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Faith-Talk] South Carolina avenue, Christ in Truth
>>
>> Well, Joy, I haven't brought these biblical quotes out of my own. This
>> is the text of the book which you allegedly hold up to. What does it
>> mean, when in
>>
>> Mark 1:35, it says,  "In the early morning, while it was still dark,
>> Jesus got up, left the house, and went away to a secluded place, and
>> was praying there."
>> Why would God implore in a solitary region? Incidentally, do you know
>> who nowadays pray regularly at dawn?
>> They're Muslims. Why do you consider engaging with me to be somewhat
>> hazardous?
>> Aren't you sufficiently confident of what you believe? I firmly have
>> entered
>>
>> into descisive debates with haters of Islam. I have done so because my
>> faith is quite significant for me. Faith resembles a major factor of
>> my everyday life.
>> Nonetheless, it seems that at the faith talk discussion board,
>> blindness is
>>
>> more substantial. I have included in the blind carbon copy field
>> contact information of various pastors. I'd like to ask them, what
>> made the Church tolerant with  celebrating  the birthday of Mithra, a
>> Romanic idol as the one of Christ? As everyone knows, Christmas origin
>> dates to pagan tradition.
>> Thence, within the historical process, Christmas tree, cake, cards,
>> carols and so on have gradually been embraced as an essential part of
>> this controversial occasion. I thence demand an answer to this
>> critical concern. I have the right to sternly take up this stance.
>> Jesus is one of the mightiest apostles of Islam. I therefore have the
>> right to robustly interrogate those who intently
>>
>> alter the genuine Nativity tale. It is wholly narrated in the sacred
>> scripture of the Koran called Mary. Allah has willingly created Jesus
>> in the womb of virgin Mary, without any masculine intervention. Isn't
>> He glory be to Him indeed capable of all things? Islam is the religion
>> of Jesus and Christendom is just the one about him. Why do you feel
>> offended as the truth speaks out?
>> Well,
>> it's already there, in the Bible that you swear in with, so, watch out.
>>
>> On 12/17/19, BRUCE&JOY BRESLAUER via Faith-Talk
>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>>> Why are you on this list?
>>>
>>> You are speaking the truth as you see it.  We Christians speak the
>>> truth as we see it.  Each of us thinks we have been given our
>>> information from God.  You
>>>
>>> think we are wrong.  We think you are wrong.  There will be no
>>> meeting of the minds, especially if you persist in your warped
>>> perception of Christianity.
>>>
>>> Anyway, as you have been told many times, this is not the place to
>>> discuss it.
>>>
>>> I urge you to stop.  I thought at one time I might be able to engage
>>> you in
>>>
>>> some meaningful dialogue with short responses to your questions, but
>>> I have
>>>
>>> changed my mind.  No one on this list will risk dialogue with you
>>> because this is not the list on which to do it.
>>>
>>> If blindness is not your thing, then find another list.  Joy
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Faith-Talk <faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Mustafa
>>> Almahdy via Faith-Talk
>>> Sent: Monday, December 16, 2019 4:59 PM
>>> To: Faith-talk, for the discussion of Blindness in faith and religion
>>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Cc: Mustafa Almahdy <against.trump2001 at gmail.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-Talk] South Carolina avenue, Christ in Truth
>>>
>>> I'd like to make it clear to everyone here, that I am not suppose to
>>> talk about blindness unless I have proper motive to do so. For me,
>>> before being blind, I am a theologist who knows about both, Islam and
>>> Christianity. I'd like to add some points to my previous rebuttal.
>>> Although the story of Adam and Eve is mentioned in Genesis, the
>>> current concept of Original Sin as known by Christians has been later
>>> developed by Saul of Tarsus whom Christians today refer to as, Saint
>>> Paul. This concept is basically the backbone of Christian faith as we
>>> know it today. Unlike the Koran, the Bible is thought to be divided
>>> to Old and New Testaments. In the Old Testament, God is clearly one
>>> and such concepts of Jesus being divine, the Trinity etc,
>>>
>>> haven't been mentioned there. True, Christian apologists
>>> unsuccessfully attempt to strangely interpret things like, let's make
>>> man in our immage and so on,
>>>
>>> still, that doesn't explicitly speak of what has been later inserted
>>> by Paul
>>>
>>> and other authors. There are 29 verse of Jesus praying throughout the
>>> parables.
>>> I just don't know folks, where could I go with Luke 6:12 as it says:
>>> "It was at this time that He went off to the mountain to pray, and He
>>> spent the whole night in prayer to God." How could he be divine
>>> afterward? How are you folks
>>>
>>> able to intently dispose of such plain evidence and falsely  stick to
>>> what is implicitly construed? It is quite odd for me to be deceitful
>>> of myself as such.
>>> Jesus has been plainly portrayed as someone who devotes himself to
>>> submit in
>>>
>>> full recognition and obeisance to Allah glory be to Him. Had he been
>>> divine, he would have not demanded to implore onto the most High. At
>>> his time of cataclysm, he prayed onto his Lord to help him. In
>>> Matthew 26:39, Jesus
>>> says:
>>> "And He went a little beyond them, and fell on His face and prayed,
>>> saying, "My Father, if it is possible, let this cup pass from Me; yet
>>> not as I will, but as You will." Is this the disposal of an exalted
>>> being? Muslims therefore believe, that Jesus, peace be upon him was
>>> sent to people by God to deliver His message to them. That was the
>>> same mission of Moses, David, Solomon, John, Zechariah, Noah,
>>> Abraham, Isaac, Ishmael, Jacob and so on. Implicit in that, Islam is
>>> the religion of all those prophets, as they have been sealed by
>>> Muhammad, peace and blessings be upon him. In Islam, God doesn't need
>>> someone to die on the Cross to forgive us. He glory be to Him is
>>> providentially Omnipotent  and eminently Self-sufficient to do so.
>>> The Christian concept of redemption is intellectually purblind. As
>>> plainly stated in the parables, Jesus has unappeasably implored to God in
>>>
>>> seclusion.
>>> That's the common temperament of the pious. He thence couldn't be
>>> worshipping and being worshipped simultaneously. I urge you folks to
>>> seek
>>>
>>> the truth and deferentially comply to it. Despite the consequences,
>>> truth is
>>>
>>> loud and worthy to be unconditionally consecrated. Let us just be
>>> impartial as we view such critical matters.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 12/15/19, Mustafa Almahdy via Faith-Talk <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>> Well, blindness doesn't resemble a major element of my life. I am
>>>> not used to speak, blindness blindness. Faith is rather a crucial
>>>> factor of my life.
>>>>
>>>> On 12/15/19, David Andrews via Faith-Talk <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> The key words there are faith and blindness -- not just faith.
>>>>>
>>>>> Dave
>>>>>
>>>>> At 11:21 PM 12/14/2019, you wrote:
>>>>>>Well, David, the threat of removing me for speaking briefly about
>>>>>>my religion is not delineated in the listâ?Ts major guidelines. On
>>>>>>the listâ?Ts info page, it says this:
>>>>>>â?oFaith-talk is a list where people can discuss matters related to
>>>>>>faith and/or blindness.
>>>>>>Persons of all faiths are welcome.â?  It never conditioned specific
>>>>>>subjects not to be discussed as long as they fit in these two main
>>>>>>categories, faith, and, blindness. So, donâ?Tt threaten me with
>>>>>>removing me, just do it if you want to. I simply donâ?Tt appreciate
>>>>>>such tone, clear? Well again, Jesus said, I am the way to the Father.
>>>>>>He also said, I and the Father are one. Both mean the same thing my
>>>>>>dear. Did he ever say, I and the Father are the same. Jesus is the
>>>>>>only way to the Father, and so, is Muhammad, Moses, David, Solomon,
>>>>>>Noah, Abraham, Lot etc etc. They all came to us with the same
>>>>>>message, calling people to worship God alone. In Islam, God is
>>>>>>providentially Omnipotent. He thence is able to forgive us, without
>>>>>>the need to formulate this dramatic scenario. People are not
>>>>>>expected to be perfect. They just need to do their best to get
>>>>>>morally elicited and to spiritually be elevated, gradually bit by
>>>>>>bit until they reach up to the celestial realm. I urge you once
>>>>>>again, to make sure that you type the name of prophet Muhammad
>>>>>>correctly. Youâ?Tve misspelled it twice and I dislike to assume
>>>>>>that of being somewhat deliberate. So, based on what Jesus said and
>>>>>>did, in the Bible you wholly hold up to, he simply cannot be God.
>>>>>>Thatâ?Ts why, Christians constantly demand to methodologically
>>>>>>palter as it comes to this critical concern. How could we explain
>>>>>>then my dear, Jesus implores to God, on multiple occasions
>>>>>>throughout the parables. Well, here are some quotes of that.
>>>>>>Hebrews 5:7, â?oIn the days of His flesh, He offered up both
>>>>>>prayers and supplications with loud crying and tears to the One
>>>>>>able to save Him from death, and He was heard because of His
>>>>>>piety.â?  Three questions here, first, if he is truly divine, why
>>>>>>was he praying then? Second, How could he be described as pious if he
>>>>>> is
>>>>>>divine?
>>>>>>Third, if he is divine indeed, why was
>>>>>>he yelling for redemption?    Well, here is
>>>>>>another quote: â?oMatthew 14:23, â?oAfter He had sent the crowds
>>>>>>away, He went up on the mountain by Himself to pray; and when it
>>>>>>was evening, He was there alone.â?  Well, my question here is, does
>>>>>>God need to unfeignedly implore in seclusion? Just call it a day
>>>>>>folks, itâ?Ts either black or white. Jesus cannot be human and
>>>>>>divine at the same time. That just cannot be discerned. You will
>>>>>>tell me then, well, God can do whatever he wants eh? Well, can he die?
>>>>>> Can
>>>>>>God die?
>>>>>>According to you, yes. But, if he is fully capable of doing
>>>>>>anything, why couldnâ?Tt he just forgive us? In Islam, when Adam
>>>>>>and Eve sinned, God taught them how to repent and they have been
>>>>>>forgiven, simple, easy and straightforward. God is all wise and he
>>>>>>doesnâ?Tt do things that are quite illogical and meaningless. Can
>>>>>>God oppress someone? According to your eccentric narrative of the
>>>>>>tale, he actuallly has done. When he sacrificed the innocent on the
>>>>>>behalf of the guilty. He thence ordains us of maintaining justice.
>>>>>>How is that possibly conciliated? As you guys can see, the matter
>>>>>>here exacerbates. I genuinely do not destine to provoke or offend
>>>>>>anyone here. I just urge people to ponder in the light of what the
>>>>>>scripture has actually taught. Lastly, kindly, if Iâ?Tll be
>>>>>>unsubscribed for whatever motive, just keep me noticed in advanced,
>>>>>>thank you. On 12/15/19, David Moore via Faith-Talk
>>>>>><faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote: > What about Jesus saying in John 14
>>>>>>where Jesus says, > â?oI am the way, the truth, and the life. No
>>>>>>man  comes to the Father but by > me!
>>>>>>> That sure sounds like Jesus is God himself to me! > What does
>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>mean to you? > How this in Acts chapter 4; > Salvation is found in
>>>>>>nobody else, for there is no other name under Heaven, > given to
>>>>>>man by which one must be saved! > What does that mean to you? >
>>>>>>Next, did Muhamad rise from the dead for you to be your advocate in
>>>>>>heaven
>>>>>>> between you and the Father? > Do you believe you need to be
>>>>>>perfect to enter Heaven! > Scripture says that none of us our
>>>>>>perfect. > That is why we need a savior to forgive all of our sins!
>>>>>>> We need every sin forgiven, scripture says, to enter heaven! >
>>>>>>Islam just does not jive with these scriptures, show me how it does!
>>>>>>> David Moore > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > >
>>>>>>From: Mustafa Almahdy via Faith-Talk > Sent:
>>>>>>Saturday, December 14, 2019 7:24 AM > To:
>>>>>>debbiedrylie at gmail.com; moore at donaldmoore.org; >
>>>>>>dlgoza at jeffersonbaptist.org; erickelly at bellsouth.net;
>>>>>>a.bentson at comcast.net; > vance.jenkins at bsumc.com;
>>>>>>beverly.clapp at bsumc.com; joyce.ford at bsumc.com; >
>>>>>>robpowl306 at gmail.com; chris.malaska at bsumc.com;
>>>>>>stacy.phillips at bsumc.com; > debbie.friddle at bsumc.com;
>>>>>>faithfreedom2 at gmail.com; faith-talk at nfbnet.org; >
>>>>>>kbaggett at brainerdbaptist.org; adooley at ebcjackson.org; >
>>>>>>amanda.poff at nashvillefirst.org;
>>>>>>tom.crow at nashvillefirst.org; >
>>>>>>kelly.ablaza at longhollow.com;
>>>>>>mike.anthony at longhollow.com; >
>>>>>>onecrowsnest at gmail.com; josh.hrbc at gmail.com; hrbcmusic at gmail.com; >
>>>>>>wandawiles at charter.net; lee3066 at bellsouth.net > Cc: Mustafa Almahdy
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>Subject: [Faith-Talk] South Carolina avenue, Christ in Truth > > On
>>>>>>each and every Sunday, Christians around the world gather at >
>>>>>>Churches to glorify Christ. They consider him deified.
>>>>>>Nonetheless, he > never expressed that about himself explicitly. It
>>>>>>is immensely > perilous to lay Christians to dig into the Bible
>>>>>>themselves because > it's most unlikely that they'll find Jesus
>>>>>>enjoining people to worship > him. There are two main set of
>>>>>>statements regarding Jesus's > phraseology in the scripture.
>>>>>>Explicit and implicit statements.
>>>>>>What > is an explicit statement? It is what has been stated
>>>>>>plainly, readily > observable, leaving nothing to implication. Such
>>>>>>as Jesus saying in > John 3:17:; "Now this is eternal life, that
>>>>>>they know you, the only > true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have
>>>>>>sent." So here, Jesus > clearly acknowledges divinity and
>>>>>>monotheism to the One and true God > and declares himself being
>>>>>>sent by Him to convey His message to > people. Then, we have
>>>>>>implicit statements, whereas some of them are > allegedly
>>>>>>attributed to Jesus or possibly misconstrued by some > apologists
>>>>>>for essentially systematic theology motives.
>>>>>>Such as Jesus > saying in John 10:30; "I and the Father are one".
>>>>>>Christian apologists > assert he has meant they are one in entity
>>>>>>while the text > presumptively entails they are one in identity.
>>>>>>Another instance, > where Jesus explicitly distinguishes between
>>>>>>himself and God. Jesus > says in John 8:40; "As it is, you are
>>>>>>looking for a way to kill me, a > man who has told you the truth
>>>>>>that I heard from God." According to > the Bible you wholly hold up
>>>>>>to, this was Jesus speaking to the Jews. > This particular passage
>>>>>>has three crucial messages to catch. First > off, Jesus declared
>>>>>>that Jews attempted to kill him. Thence, I > actually don't fathom
>>>>>>the awkward relationship today between those who > allegedly are
>>>>>>the followers of Jesus and those who, according to > scripture,
>>>>>>were sternly hostile to him. Second, Jesus unambiguously > stated
>>>>>>that he is a man who heard the word of God and destined to pass >
>>>>>>it through to people. He didn't say I am God in man incarnate or any >
>>>>>> of
>>>>>>that.
>>>>>>So, the personification of the divine in the character of > Jesus
>>>>>>is a later developed doctrine called the Hypostatic union. It is >
>>>>>>interesting to note, that historically, this particular doctrine
>>>>>>has
>>>>>>> only been prefaced at the Council of Chalcedon in the year (451).
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>Consequently, it is demonstratively fallacious to embrace such
>>>>>>tenet
>>>>>>> as it has been decisively probed to be absolutely mendacious. >
>>>>>>Moreover, according to your own version of the Bible, in English,
>>>>>>the
>>>>>>> description of Jesus's mission precisely befits the definition of
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>prophethood in Islam. Third, Jesus says he heard the truth from God.
>>>>>>> So, what is it? It is the message that he plainly stated in John
>>>>>>3:17 > as quoted above.
>>>>>>Furthermore, Jesus spoke the truth as he delivered > the message to
>>>>>>a tremendous croud as he uttered a magnanimous speech > known
>>>>>>biblically as sermon on the mount. In this major discourse, he >
>>>>>>taught the public what is biblically known as the Lord's prayer. If
>>>>>>> you Read this, while parallelly citing the opening of the Koran >
>>>>>>translated into English, you will discover a gravely unexpected >
>>>>>>similarity. I won't be taken aback, because it is yet the same
>>>>>>message > of Monotheism. Jesus implored to God.
>>>>>>If he was himself God, it would > have been quite irrational of
>>>>>>Jesus praying to himself. I urge > pastoral staff and their loyally
>>>>>>fellow congregants, to unfeignedly > seek the truth regarding
>>>>>>Jesus's solely spoken word in the Gospel. > Trust me, after I read
>>>>>>the Bible many times, my faith and conviction > of Islam being the
>>>>>>true pathway to the celestial realm has > strengthened leastwise
>>>>>>two fold. I do hope that you find this message > to you encouraging
>>>>>>not frustrating. It is not my nature to deride or > marginalise
>>>>>>someone's belief. Please, read the whole gospel and > earnestly
>>>>>>seek to find what Jesus says in it. I do not recognise the > words
>>>>>>spoken by Paul or others about Jesus. I only care about what was >
>>>>>>directly  spoken by Jesus.
>>>>>>The essence of this message is quite plain. > Find the truth and
>>>>>>stick to it. I wholeheartedly say to you, If I knew > that
>>>>>>Christianity is indeed the truth and only path to salvation, I >
>>>>>>would have unhesitatingly embraced it. This is not a joke nor it
>>>>>>bears > to be. > > _______________________________________________
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