[Faith-Talk] Christ in Truth

Sun Dec 22 18:43:03 UTC 2019

I think what He means is that when He became man and lived that sinless life,
the purpose of which was  to die on the cross and be resurrected, He was in
submission to the Father -- by choice, not by coercion or by being of an
inferior nature.  He did not speak on His own authority, but on that of His
Father.  not as master and slave, or employer and employee, but as Father and
Son, coequal with one another.  Whatever He did, He did as God, because he is
God, not something separate from god acting on his own authority.  So if he
is God, then He can't do something that God wouldn't do.

In these verses you mentioned, He is speaking to the religious authorities
who are challenging him about doing something good on the Sabbath day, when
the manmade restrictions they held to advised them not to do any work on the
Sabbath.  That is a mistaken idea about God who, having created everything in
six days, rested -- not because He was tired, but because He had ceased
creating.  He had seen what He had created and said that it was very good.
So instead of resting, He ceased from his labors, or He stopped.

Keep reading after the verses you mentioned to verse 45-47.  All through
these passages He is speaking about all the things that testify to who He is
-- God's words, the words of John the Baptist, the Scriptures themselves, the
writings of Moses, the Tabernacle and the offerings, and many more.  Be
careful when you take verses out of context.

I do not say what I have to say and then cut and run.  I really don't think
this is the place for this type of discussion, and I find myself contributing
to it anyway.  We are both seeking the truth in different places with
differing results.  Our points of view are so different from each other that
they cannot both be true.  It would be one thing if I were speaking from my
own opinion, but I am not.

I wish you well.

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Subject: [Faith-Talk] Christ in Truth

John 5:19, "So Jesus explained, I tell you the truth, the Son can do nothing
by himself. He does only what he sees the Father doing.
Whatever the Father does, the Son also does." This quote is from the Bible
which you seem to have known nothing about. Jesus in the text above states
that he indeed cannot say or do something of his own.
This is what a messenger does. Well, here is another text from the same
Gospel, "I can of mine own self do nothing. As I hear, I judge, and my
judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the
Father which hath sent me."  This is John 5:30. So, I hope, before you accuse
me of not knowing about Christianity, to just know your stuff well. I urge
you to just read the Bible yourself.
Hasn't Jesus in the two texts above, proved his full dependence on the
Father? It seems you're defending your own dogma quite blindly and
cluelessly. That's why, you offered no rebuttal to my proposition.
You've just assaulted me and fled. As I plainly stated earlier, I do not
destine with this to embarrass, provoke, bait or offend someone. I just care
about seeking the truth and nothing else. You say, that Jesus claimed to be
God. Where is that, I asked? You say, can't you see, it's in the Bible. I
say, alright. I go into the Bible, look for what you say that he said and
found not just nothing, but the opposite of what you claim he has stated. All
Christians today rely  their major doctrinal tenets on implicitly interpreted
texts and they intently dispose of what is explicitly spoken on the lips of
Jesus.
That's what you're doing folks, I am afraid. I am not yelling at you.
I am not saying this either right or wrong. No no no, I am just reporting a
case, impartially. I look at the text which you hold up to and then, measure
it within the belief you embrace. Do they actually match? I am afraid, they
absolutely don't. I swear to God, I do not intend to offend you or put you in
a shameful situation. What am I going to benefit of this? That's not my
disposal. I swear, I won't ever do that. I am seeking the truth alongside
you. I swear again, if I ever noticed, that Christianity resembles the truth
in its essence, I would have unhesitatingly accepted it. Aren't we all want
to get saved? Alright, let us pray, tonight my time, today yours, to the
Creator of this universe, to guide the wrong of us to the rightly straight
path. I won't ever have problem of admitting to be wrong if I noticed one
day. Do you have the same tendency to do so? That's the spirit of the truly
courageous and determined. My criticism of Christianity is essentially based
on thorough examination for up to seven consecutive years. Throughout this
lengthy period, I have extensively spoken to and constantly attended multiple
lectures for the most prominent  figures in Coptic priesthood and Church
ranking in my country. So please, next time, respect yourself.

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