[Faith-Talk] Christ in Truth

Wed Dec 25 00:12:00 UTC 2019

Amen!
That takes care of all good works people preach about!
That is all that we need to obey in our Christian lives!
This is after we are saved by the grace of Christ and the blood he shared for us, however!
Have a very merry Christmas!
David Moore

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From: Mustafa Almahdy via Faith-Talk
Sent: Monday, December 23, 2019 9:33 PM
To: Faith-talk, for the discussion of Blindness in faith and religion
Cc: Mustafa Almahdy
Subject: Re: [Faith-Talk] Christ in Truth

Mark 12 29, “The most important one,” answered Jesus, “is this: 'Hear,
O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one.” Here, Jesus has plainly
made a distinction between himself and God. Yes or no? Why do you
coercively attribute divinity to him? If he is genuinely divine and
coequal to the Father, why does he then incessantly demands to
unfeignedly implore onto Him in seclusion? The fact that you attempt
to palter and intently evade encountering with decisive evidence has
flawlessly leavened to your utterly theological impairment to speak of
the dogma you wholly hold up to. That’s why, as you attempted to
illustrate, you’ve inserted your own thought and guessing into the
matter. As you’ve done so, you’ve actually worsened this issue. Major
tenets of belief are not based on mere speculations. I urge you to
declare your absolute defeatism into this. Each and every wording I
quote is of the biblical explicit assertions. Nonetheless, you’re
relentlessly attempting to elude and obviate them with what might be
implicitly, uncertainly implied. Thence, you seek refuge with
unconventional rendition of what is intemperately denotative to keep
your conscience somewhat reposed. Despite the fact of being quite
unethical doing this, you have no other solution I am afraid. I
challenge you alongside the pastoral arena of your area and beyond to
show me one statement, just one, clearly uttered on the lips of Jesus,
demanding divinity. How could he be divine and then pray? Now, the
necessity to philosophise is pestilently desperate. And as you’re
doing so, the matter shall be exacerbated even farther. Sadly, this
issue flows into a vicious cycle. If you ask any Muslim individual, to
prove to you from the Koran the Oneness of God, he shall instantly
quote plenty of verses which are clearly indicating this. He wouldn’t
need to either equivocate or circulate. Unlike him though, the
Christian needs to be sternly equivocal to express his doctrinal
fundamentals. That’s why, whenever a missionary activist preaches here
in Africa, for instance, he doesn’t attempt to convince his poorly
deceived victims theologically. He rather uses temporal tactics to
tempt them into material desires, as of physical provision, food,
shelter or even permanent residence in the United States. Well, my
religion is crucial to me than the latter though. Ultimately, just
forget all this, since then the true doctrine has been important to
American Christians? It’s all about Christmas, domestic pleasures,
family gathering, big dinner, Turkey, presents, cards, cake, tree,
carols etc. This issue of who is the true God to worship is just not
so important. Ah, and this list, is just for blindness related issues.
Yeah yeah, we’ve called it faith talk. But still, it’s for blind
related talks. And, this Moslem terrorist, just get him out, get him
out of here, . Who is the get him out worldwide top talker? Anyone
knows? Well, Merry Christmas folks. I was just joking, okay?:) No
seriously, despite our critical dissensions, I wholeheartedly wish
everyone good time, good holiday with family, friends and loved ones,
Merry Christmas. I knew it’s still on Wednesday. However, early is
better than belated.

On 12/22/19, BRUCE&JOY BRESLAUER via Faith-Talk <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> I think what He means is that when He became man and lived that sinless
> life,
> the purpose of which was  to die on the cross and be resurrected, He was in
> submission to the Father -- by choice, not by coercion or by being of an
> inferior nature.  He did not speak on His own authority, but on that of His
> Father.  not as master and slave, or employer and employee, but as Father
> and
> Son, coequal with one another.  Whatever He did, He did as God, because he
> is
> God, not something separate from god acting on his own authority.  So if he
> is God, then He can't do something that God wouldn't do.
>
> In these verses you mentioned, He is speaking to the religious authorities
> who are challenging him about doing something good on the Sabbath day, when
> the manmade restrictions they held to advised them not to do any work on
> the
> Sabbath.  That is a mistaken idea about God who, having created everything
> in
> six days, rested -- not because He was tired, but because He had ceased
> creating.  He had seen what He had created and said that it was very good.
> So instead of resting, He ceased from his labors, or He stopped.
>
> Keep reading after the verses you mentioned to verse 45-47.  All through
> these passages He is speaking about all the things that testify to who He
> is
> -- God's words, the words of John the Baptist, the Scriptures themselves,
> the
> writings of Moses, the Tabernacle and the offerings, and many more.  Be
> careful when you take verses out of context.
>
> I do not say what I have to say and then cut and run.  I really don't think
> this is the place for this type of discussion, and I find myself
> contributing
> to it anyway.  We are both seeking the truth in different places with
> differing results.  Our points of view are so different from each other
> that
> they cannot both be true.  It would be one thing if I were speaking from my
> own opinion, but I am not.
>
> I wish you well.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Faith-Talk <faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Mustafa
> Almahdy
> via Faith-Talk
> Sent: Sunday, December 22, 2019 9:52 AM
> To: faith-talk at nfbnet.org
> Cc: Mustafa Almahdy <against.trump2001 at gmail.com>
> Subject: [Faith-Talk] Christ in Truth
>
> John 5:19, "So Jesus explained, I tell you the truth, the Son can do
> nothing
> by himself. He does only what he sees the Father doing.
> Whatever the Father does, the Son also does." This quote is from the Bible
> which you seem to have known nothing about. Jesus in the text above states
> that he indeed cannot say or do something of his own.
> This is what a messenger does. Well, here is another text from the same
> Gospel, "I can of mine own self do nothing. As I hear, I judge, and my
> judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the
> Father which hath sent me."  This is John 5:30. So, I hope, before you
> accuse
> me of not knowing about Christianity, to just know your stuff well. I urge
> you to just read the Bible yourself.
> Hasn't Jesus in the two texts above, proved his full dependence on the
> Father? It seems you're defending your own dogma quite blindly and
> cluelessly. That's why, you offered no rebuttal to my proposition.
> You've just assaulted me and fled. As I plainly stated earlier, I do not
> destine with this to embarrass, provoke, bait or offend someone. I just
> care
> about seeking the truth and nothing else. You say, that Jesus claimed to be
> God. Where is that, I asked? You say, can't you see, it's in the Bible. I
> say, alright. I go into the Bible, look for what you say that he said and
> found not just nothing, but the opposite of what you claim he has stated.
> All
> Christians today rely  their major doctrinal tenets on implicitly
> interpreted
> texts and they intently dispose of what is explicitly spoken on the lips of
> Jesus.
> That's what you're doing folks, I am afraid. I am not yelling at you.
> I am not saying this either right or wrong. No no no, I am just reporting a
> case, impartially. I look at the text which you hold up to and then,
> measure
> it within the belief you embrace. Do they actually match? I am afraid, they
> absolutely don't. I swear to God, I do not intend to offend you or put you
> in
> a shameful situation. What am I going to benefit of this? That's not my
> disposal. I swear, I won't ever do that. I am seeking the truth alongside
> you. I swear again, if I ever noticed, that Christianity resembles the
> truth
> in its essence, I would have unhesitatingly accepted it. Aren't we all want
> to get saved? Alright, let us pray, tonight my time, today yours, to the
> Creator of this universe, to guide the wrong of us to the rightly straight
> path. I won't ever have problem of admitting to be wrong if I noticed one
> day. Do you have the same tendency to do so? That's the spirit of the truly
> courageous and determined. My criticism of Christianity is essentially
> based
> on thorough examination for up to seven consecutive years. Throughout this
> lengthy period, I have extensively spoken to and constantly attended
> multiple
> lectures for the most prominent  figures in Coptic priesthood and Church
> ranking in my country. So please, next time, respect yourself.
>
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