[Faith-Talk] serving and connection

Sun Aug 11 01:08:20 UTC 2024

I can see what you all are saying though.
 I tend to have felt just so hurt by people that  or hurt from the past
that I have not been able to just put it asside.
What I been finding not feeling as per say is that for me it has gotten
difficault to point where i lash out.
Even when I was refused  it came to point where i got refused in the one
nursing home wh with my mom there when she told me i needed somebody with
me I said to her you never told me this before is what i told her.

I really have found that most people around here depend on people to have
workers with them aroud here orginizations like did disability
orginizations really have no idea about blindness but however what I have
found is that there has ben no realization of independence I am in the
province of Ontario CNIB doesn't come up this far to do whole lot it is
just the life skills instructor. nobody else.
The thing about it though is that lack of modivation sets in and i get
frusterated.
even people in my own apartment building notice when something is wrong
with me because I go quiet when something is wrong and stuff as it is like
i don't share locally with those what is wrong with me and gets to be like
pulling teeth.

Sometimes when i feel certain way i wak away from people and sometimes what
happens is that i become very angry and things when things don't go right
for me.

I often felt like God doesn't live me i know that isn't true but for me
that i difficault to believe sometimes.

Even when i  we were in the 2020 stuff I became very angry.
I won't talk about what was on my mind because to me i don't want to say my
beliefs about it here because i would be called crazy but with me I was
even more mad I went to stay with my parents for couple months and it was
almost very toxid to me because my dad was very controlling and stuff.

My dad has always told people i am blind his words are my son is blind m
the fraise my blind son never by my name very much at all at times.
I frusterated with family even  especially my dad because he gets himself
so busy that he never spends time with me like I would like to have and
hopfully have somebody to do things woth with or adventures right now he is
working on house and growing grass but to me  they are moving bit further
from me the thing is  i never have agreed with everything some family
members really do.

My mom tries to come every week to do walking with me but i don't get to go
on trips a or get any help to be taken somewhere to research these things
as a person.

On Sat, Aug 10, 2024 at 8:51 PM Ashley Bramlett via Faith-Talk <
faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> Hello,
> Well said Linda!
> I like your idea of that Psalm and it really proves you know the Bible and
> the word of God!
> Amen to that!
> To Andrew, please combine your email thoughts into one or two emails.
> Please stop cluttering our inboxes. ?Do you realize how many emails you
> wrote over the past two days? It would be different if you actually said
> something articulate and understandable and new each email but you have not.
>
> I think Andrew's strong feelings and maybe mild depression coupled with
> his developmental
> Disability have made him feel this way. I have given many suggestions. My
> top two suggestions are advocate better to the church by meeting with
> leadership to express your willingness to be involved and what you need
> from them to be included in the church ministry.
> The next suggestion is to pray about it and think about your own talents
> and skills. You have to know what you want to do before you can go do it.
>
> If you tell us the province you live in or a better idea of where you are,
> maybe we can help you research things to locate services.
>
> Its obvious that Andrew is hurt based on  rejection and exclusion of past
> opportunities. But currently, you have to channel those feelings into
> something empowering instead to get anywhere.
> If you just go on down feelings, you get no where. I know, I've had my bad
> days too and often face barriers feeling the world is against me. Everytime
> I encounter an inaccessible part of a website, feelings come. Every time I
> get rejected from employment, I feel that way.
> Andrew, even during the end of the pandemic as restrictions were being
> lifted and they had more in person activities with precautions like
> masking, I applied for employment as a summer camp assistant for teens and
> also applied to a senior center to be an activity facilitator.
> I was interviewed. But then was not picked to get a job. I felt hurt. I
> wondered why God had created me and felt down and rejected; I told God I
> needed some real opportunities and prayed for something to come up.
> I stopped looking for a while.
>
> In the fall, I plan to pursue both volunteer positions and part time
> employment once again. If I need to volunteer to gain experience and I am
> accepted, I will do it. If someone hires me though, even better.
>
> To all the listers here who wrote great ideas, thanks. This is a helpful
> discussion to me as well because I might want to be involved in a ministry
> of some sort and its nice to know some of you are actively involved.
>
> Take care all.
>
> Ashley
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Faith-Talk <faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Linda
> Mentink via Faith-Talk
> Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2024 7:36 PM
> To: andrew edgcumbe via Faith-Talk <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Linda Mentink <lmentink7360 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Faith-Talk] serving and connection
>
> Hi Andrew,
>
> There you go again, going on your feelings. You know very well that you
> are something to God. Please read and meditate upon Psalm 139. You are
> created in the image of God. Does that make you nothing to Him? I think not.
>
> We have all tried to help you on this list in the past few hours—almost a
> day, and all you can do is accuse us of judging you! If that's how you
> treat those with whom you are in contact, it's no wonder they think you're
> helpless and they don't want you to serve anywhere! I have nothing else to
> say to you right now. I'm shocked and disappointed that you have acted the
> way you have with us who have been trying to help you. We don't know you
> and you don't know us, except for what we all post here. Grow up!!
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Linda
>
>
> On Aug 10, 2024 6:22 PM, andrew edgcumbe via Faith-Talk <
> faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >
> > honestly i feel i am nothing to God anyway I really been accused of
> > stuff and like I said in a earlier post people need to ask questions
> > instead of judging me.  I have low selfesteene and if i am not able to
> > find things out for myself then i need e help to find opportunities.
> >
> > On Sat, Aug 10, 2024 at 5:33 PM Ericka via Faith-Talk
> > <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > My husband and I can totally help you with that. And ask for those
> games.
> > > There are many ways to purchase or create your own Braille playing
> cards.
> > > And many other games like Uno could be bought already in Braille. I
> > > am glad that you have the “I can do it!“ Attitude. I totally
> > > understand about people not going how to help and your parents are
> > > doing that and have done the best they could. I do see one thing you
> > > can do. You can step up and say hey, this would make it a lot easier
> > > for me to do such and such.  Sometimes you have to bring the
> > > solution to their attention rather than hoping they figure it out.
> > > We’re the experts in blindness, right? You said that. So maybe one
> > > day just bring some braille cards into that day program and see what
> > > happens. Maybe got sent you there to teach that community and then
> > > when you feel more confident and stronger and know who you are
> > > better, you can  Branch out into doing something else. Just singing in
> the choir is still serving. Trust me, you don’t want me singing in any
> choir.
> > >
> > >  We are not put off by your developmental delays. We’re not scared
> > >of your  disability or anything. And honestly, we wish we could
> > >afford to come to  Canada! Take one step at a time.
> > >
> > > In Christian love,
> > >
> > > Ericka Nelson
> > >
> > >
> > > > On Aug 10, 2024, at 3:20 AM, andrew edgcumbe via Faith-Talk <
> > > faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi  I know  I guess the thing that stops me is not only  self
> > > > confident
> > > end
> > > > of thing that is stopping me but in my area  i wouldn't be
> > > > welcomed on to most construction sights I think that kind of is
> > > > really  well I don't
> > > know.
> > > > My family never  has never pushed me to advokate in anyway.
> > > >
> > > > While I  for most part moved out on my own  most cases my family
> > > > has never  whatever I think that even they don't know what blind
> > > > people to do because they have never bothered to educate themselves.
> > > >
> > > > I have conversations with people  from latest c latest church i
> > > > currently go to and they say it is to bad that  or say they
> > > > understand i want to do more  but no effort was ever made for me to
> help out.
> > > >
> > > > There is no hiking groups in my area at all. I tried to look for
> > > > them and look for  stuff along those lines.
> > > > With trips and stuff i just don't know how to even find way  ways
> > > > to go
> > > to
> > > > these places i would want to go to. going on these adventures to
> > > > me is
> > > not
> > > > a problem but it is finding people to do these things with Water
> > > > parks would be harder to do if person doesn't ride water slide
> > > > because I
> > > wouldn't
> > > > know my way around in water parks and stuff.
> > > >
> > > > I really  far as youth group did go on few of the trips actually
> > > > as well like he did accomidate way in a sence.
> > > >
> > > > There is hardly any other blind people seen in the community here.
> > > > So i live in a smaller town in a sence.
> > > >
> > > > allot of people around here don't have the blind person can do it
> > > attitude
> > > > and for me to  be  advocating for myself totally alone or like the
> > > > lone ranger trying to advocate myself is very hard or would be
> > > > very hard and
> > > to
> > > > me it is hard to  and very tiring to explaine to people i cn can
> > > > cross a street and stuff like that for example.
> > > >
> > > > Not every place in town is excessible I can only get to one
> > > > grocery store in town out of the 2 or 3 others bu by myself
> > > > because of the inexcessibility of the parking lots no way for
> > > > pudestrians to get in
> > > there
> > > > without dealing with bunch of cars in and out  I can't go to a sub
> > > > place
> > > at
> > > > all one of them because there is no safe way to get there at all
> > > > even o
> > > and
> > > > m never could figure it out.
> > > >
> > > > part of me really wishes that somebody could at least help me with
> > > > the advokating part of things at the very least that is the thing.
> > > >
> > > > Like I do go to a day program for people with disabilities but
> > > > most
> > > times i
> > > > am just sitting there doing nothing.  I am always left out of the
> > > > games they are doing and left out of video games and i used to be
> > > > in another
> > > day
> > > > program last year but they didn't do very good at getting me
> > > > playing
> > > games
> > > > because these certain ones were playing the card or board games I
> > > > never
> > > got
> > > > a turn or anything like that.
> > > >
> > > > Also they never gave me chance to know my way around at all they
> > > > never
> > > gave
> > > > me chance to
> > > > They never  whatever I never used the bathroom while there because
> > > > I
> > > didn't
> > > > feel i could be independent over  independent because they were
> > > > almost treating me differently like you need help with this and
> > > > that type of
> > > thing.
> > > > even their vollunteer drivers especially one in particular
> > > > ansisted on putting my seatbelt on but that was only one he put it
> > > > on before i had chance to say anything so when I was coming home
> > > > and he was doing
> > > something
> > > > else i quickly put it on.
> > > >
> > > > So i ended up leaving that particular program.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > People around here really don't want me to help out with stuff
> > > > each
> > > time i
> > > > mention it to my mom she is like i don't know what to tell you.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I just feel so alone in my struggles and i hate being so alone in
> > > > the end of advocacy and i know i need to do it probably but i
> > > > don't know how to really build that self confidence when people
> > > > are not as open to me doing things or blind people doing things.
> > > >
> > > > It feels like i am always being watched and stuff.
> > > >
> > > > I don't mind people helping me but when they help me to much just
> > > because i
> > > > am blind it can really be over whelming.
> > > >
> > > > I don't know how to use discord I can never get it to work for me
> > > > and  i been trying to figure it out on my computer but it is very
> > > > hard because allot of the time i don't know how to make it work and
> how to whatever.
> > > as
> > > > allot of things are not excessible.
> > > >
> > > > I have a real hard time finding out about events in my area
> > > > weather it is restaurants or web sites not always info is even
> > > > excessible and miss
> > > stuff.
> > > >
> > > > I had been trying to fix that events thing by having a facebook
> > > > group somebody else helped start but facebook becao became un
> > > > became the option that is out the door because i have not been
> > > > able to log in for whole
> > > month
> > > > because i kept getting error messages like sorry we will fix it
> > > > something went wrong usually it fixed but this time it is that way
> > > > for 4 weeks now
> > > or
> > > > a month i use facebook on my computer so i can't access the group
> > > > on facebook. i even tried resetting passwords and everything so no
> go.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >> On Sat, Aug 10, 2024 at 2:38 AM Ashley Bramlett via Faith-Talk <
> > > >> faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> Hi,
> > > >> That is too bad you did not feel too included as a Christian
> teenager.
> > > >> Well, its too bad you did not have your mom or family member
> advocate.
> > > >> It sounds like the adult leaders had misconceptions and did not
> > > >> seek to educate themselves about inclusion and that is real sad.
> > > >>
> > > >> When I was in youth groups, I did most things but not other
> activities.
> > > >> Like you though, I went to because I wanted to be out of the
> > > >> house and
> > > my
> > > >> parents just said it was available and I should go like my brothers
> did.
> > > >> I think they told the youth group leaders about sighted guide and
> > > >> to describe things to me such as when they served dinner or
> > > >> snacks to tell
> > > me
> > > >> the options before serving me; but not too much else.
> > > >> I was finding myself as a teen like all other teens and did not
> > > >> know all of what I needed but did do some advocating.
> > > >>
> > > >> If the group did sports, I was left out, but for most activities,
> > > >> I went to them. It was a long time ago so I do not even remember
> > > >> what we did. I think we did some prayer, stories, drama, simply
> > > >> socializing, and
> > > singing.
> > > >> We also had some fun outings and some I attended such as bowling.
> > > >> I have some memories of youth retreats too.
> > > >> The adult leaders did accommodate me sometimes.
> > > >> At the time I did not have a braille Bible so when we did our
> > > >> Bible
> > > story
> > > >> time, I think one of the leaders read to me.
> > > >> Much of the retreat was to hang out and talk and have plenty of
> > > >> food. I remember having a good time overall.
> > > >>
> > > >> I think you need to advocate for yourself! Maybe you can find
> > > >> other friends with your same disability to hang out. In my area,
> > > >> there are day programs for people with developmental disabilities
> > > >> so maybe try to find one. If you use a Ipad or Iphone, there are
> > > >> apps to chat with people who share your interests such as the
> > > >> clubhouse app. Oh and there is discord too. Not the same as a
> > > >> real place to hang out but it would give you the connection to talk
> to people.
> > > >>
> > > >> You can certainly go to adventure activities such as amusement
> > > >> parks, Andrew!
> > > >> In my area there are clubs for that. There is a hiking club and a
> > > running
> > > >> club and some others. Maybe try finding a club to do this with.
> > > >> Just go sighted guide and have someone tell you the rides they
> > > >> see
> > > around
> > > >> and pick some to go on. Its fun.
> > > >>
> > > >> If someone told you that you cannot work with the elderly, that
> > > >> is real discriminatory and you should absolutely not have to
> > > >> bring someone with
> > > you
> > > >> to perform that task of being a friendly visitor.
> > > >>
> > > >> Finally, you can certainly do hands on activities. I do not know
> > > >> what is stopping you still. I just think you lack self confidence.
> > > >> So, look for a service project and go for it. Fill out the
> > > >> applications and steps for it and go for it.
> > > >> If they tell you no, go to the head of the organization. If no
> > > resolution,
> > > >> if it were me, I'd blast them! I'd go to the media, write letters
> > > >> to the editor about me being barred from serving and working for
> > > >> no money expected, and then get the equivalent of NFB involved. I
> > > >> know you have something like the NFB in Canada
> > > >>
> > > >> I've not done much hands on work and moving around tables and
> > > >> chairs,
> > > but
> > > >> I know blind people who did do it. I also have heard of several
> > > >> blind people doing it from NFB articles and lists.
> > > >> You could serve on a house project with the equivalent of Habitat
> > > >> for Humanity. You could serve at a soup kitchen. Some nonprofits
> > > >> here have projects to move in donated furniture and beautify
> > > >> houses and you could
> > > do
> > > >> that.
> > > >> I'm sure your country has something similar.
> > > >> Blind people have done these things. Just have someone show you
> > > >> what to do. If its hands on work, that can be done by touching
> > > >> the tools. You
> > > could
> > > >> perhaps start by organizing items or participating by handing
> > > >> group
> > > members
> > > >> tools or help lifting things assuming you have the strength to do
> it.
> > > For
> > > >> instance, if you are bringing in supplies to repair something in
> > > >> a home, you can help carry it and unload supplies.
> > > >> If you go on a campfire outing and you want to help get the fire
> > > >> ready, carry the supplies over for it.
> > > >>
> > > >> These service projects are doable and you should not be stopped.
> > > >> I'll
> > > send
> > > >> a few links to articles about people serving in ministry to help
> > > >> the homeless and other vonerable populations.
> > > >>
> > > >> I have some vision and use a cane. So,  I have to first tell them
> > > >> a
> > > little
> > > >> about what I do not see since I look normal. Sometimes it seems
> > > >> like totally blind people are accepted less. If you have
> > > >> blindisms, like rocking, try to stop. That is off putting to people.
> > > >>
> > > >> It can be done. These articles speak of overcoming the
> > > >> misconceptions other sighted people had but they did it and
> participated.
> > > >>
> > > >> HTH,
> > > >> Ashley
> > > >>
> > > >> -----Original Message-----
> > > >> From: Faith-Talk <faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of
> > > >> andrew edgcumbe via Faith-Talk
> > > >> Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2024 1:20 AM
> > > >> To: Faith-talk, for the discussion of Blindness in faith and
> > > >> religion < faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
> > > >> Cc: andrew edgcumbe <rollercoasterman86 at gmail.com>
> > > >> Subject: Re: [Faith-Talk] serving and connection
> > > >>
> > > >> I have even asked my mom and stuff about vollunteer opportunities
> > > >> and
> > > she
> > > >> has no idea's for me either.
> > > >> I did go to youth groups and stuff earlier and I like Ashley was
> > > >> left
> > > out
> > > >> of some activities in fact I was all by myself when they went to
> > > >> play
> > > their
> > > >> games in the Gym.
> > > >> They often didn't include me in much but i still went to get out
> > > >> of the house.
> > > >>
> > > >> I also asked some young people to hang with me as well at times
> > > >> and i always found that they just didn't seem to want to and it
> > > >> was like  they didn't care to hang with me.
> > > >>
> > > >> People don't seem to want to do much with me I don't know if it
> > > >> is
> > > because
> > > >> they trh think they need to help me or they think there is  or it
> > > >> is to complicated to hang out with a blind person I just don't
> > > >> know what it
> > > is.
> > > >>
> > > >> or if it is because people don't want to deal with those with
> > > disabilities.
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> On Fri, Aug 9, 2024 at 11:45 PM Brian Hatgelakas via Faith-Talk <
> > > >> faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >>> you said it 100 percent correctly!
> > > >>>
> > > >>> On Fri, Aug 9, 2024 at 11:15 PM Ashley Bramlett via Faith-Talk <
> > > >>> faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> > > >>>
> > > >>>> Hi,
> > > >>>> It sounds like you are lonely.
> > > >>>> It sounds like you want someone to assist you with walking and
> > > >>>> getting
> > > >>> out
> > > >>>> in the community for fitness participation and social activities.
> > > >>>> I'm going to a church with my dad which is also small and most
> > > >>>> members
> > > >>> are
> > > >>>> older or maybe adults middle age with families.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> I have not exactly asked to serve but I suspect they would be
> > > >>>> fine with most activities. I have considered helping out with
> > > >>>> the youth group.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> I am also seeking a fitness buddy to have nature walks with or
> > > >>>> simple
> > > >>> trail
> > > >>>> walking or tandem biking.
> > > >>>> But, so far I did not find anyone. I asked our nearest chapter
> > > >>>> of
> > > >>> Achilles
> > > >>>> international, dc chapter,
> > > >>>> But did not find anyone; no response yet.
> > > >>>> So, I know what you mean about needing a guide to do activities
> > > >>>> with and finding no one. I can and do exercise alone at a gym
> > > >>>> such as by using the seated bikes or treadmills but I do so
> > > >>>> much desire to do some outside
> > > >>> walks
> > > >>>> or biking and go with someone so I can focus on the walk and
> > > >>>> exercise,
> > > >>> not
> > > >>>> my mobility skills.
> > > >>>> I also want more social connections either from the church or
> > > >> elsewhere.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> It sounds like you have other disabilities given how this is
> > > >>>> written and how you write here. I do not know your full
> > > >>>> situation. I'm just speculating.
> > > >>>> It would be helpful to know what you really mean. So far your
> > > >>>> emails are vague saying that You simply are not accepted and
> > > >>>> you are not finding connections.
> > > >>>> What do you want to do? Some examples? What were some things
> > > >>>> you tried
> > > >>> and
> > > >>>> were rejected from?
> > > >>>> Saying you have lack of opportunity does not tell us much.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> I do not mean to be critical but you have written things like
> > > >>>> this before and it comes up year after year.
> > > >>>> Only by getting specific can we help some.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Writing things like this
> > > >>>> " It is like people have been so hazatant to do anything or to
> > > >>>> support me or help me find those opportunities either as part
> > > >>>> of a church or even ministry and stuff like that."
> > > >>>> Does not say much.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Have you tried finding connections through a community website?
> > > >>>> Here we have www.meetup.com, but I'm not sure you have that.
> > > >>>> I've not used this myself, but I know it's a way to find groups
> > > >>>> to meet
> > > >>> up
> > > >>>> with.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> I do hope you find something. If there is a Christian ministry
> > > >>>> for the blind in Canada where you are, maybe you can help them,
> > > >>>> even if its remotely.
> > > >>>> Here in the USA we have Christian Record Services and Lutheran
> > > >>>> Braille Workers; both are far from my home of VA but I've
> > > >>>> considered trying to do something with them  remotely. Maybe
> > > >>>> writing something or conducting something over a video platform
> like zoom.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> You have to educate people about your abilities too. You may
> > > >>>> not be asked to help as they do not know what you can do or how
> > > >>>> you can do it, so do educate them.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Anyways, with more specifics, maybe we can give more suggestions.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Ashley
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> -----Original Message-----
> > > >>>> From: Faith-Talk <faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of
> > > >>>> andrew edgcumbe via Faith-Talk
> > > >>>> Sent: Friday, August 9, 2024 10:27 PM
> > > >>>> To: Faith-talk, for the discussion of faith and religion
> > > >>>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
> > > >>>> Cc: andrew edgcumbe <rollercoasterman86 at gmail.com>
> > > >>>> Subject: [Faith-Talk] serving and connection
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Hi
> > > >>>> My name is Andrew for those who don't know me.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> I have just had struggle after struggle with  just being able
> > > >>>> to serve as part of a church body and stuff like that other
> > > >>>> then maybe music and
> > > >>> stuff
> > > >>>> like that.
> > > >>>> To me the experience is they don't know what to do with me
> > > >>>> because of my blindness and stuff like that.
> > > >>>> It is like people have been so hazatant to do anything or to
> > > >>>> support me
> > > >>> or
> > > >>>> help me find those opportunities either as part of a church or
> > > >>>> even ministry and stuff like that.
> > > >>>> The answer I always get is just pray about it while we should
> > > >>>> do that
> > > >>> and i
> > > >>>> been doing that all along but faith should be followed up by
> > > >>>> action to
> > > >>> and
> > > >>>> stuff like that.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> While I don't know other area's speciffically my church is a
> > > >>>> very small church so it is limited but I want to find christian
> > > >>>> ministries who actually let blind people serve even if it is
> > > >>>> from home or some other way.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> The other area is that i have trouble making connections that
> > > >>>> really
> > > >>> foster
> > > >>>> into more then just sunday morning fellowship.
> > > >>>> I have tried to find hiking partners and finding other things.
> > > >>>> i reached out to couple of the other churches for walking
> > > >>>> buddies and
> > > >>> stuff
> > > >>>> like that and just other people whom perhaps i can really make
> > > >>>> connection with from a church to do coffee with or do other
> > > >>>> things with and I don't know they are afraid of the fact i am
> > > >>>> blind I don't
> > > >> know what it is.
> > > >>>> I just been really looking for answers as to what to do with
> > > >>>> myself like
> > > >>> i
> > > >>>> have few people in building i connect with but they have
> > > >>>> disabilities
> > > >>> that
> > > >>>> keep them from doing walks with me or  other adventures I would
> > > >>>> like to
> > > >>> be
> > > >>>> able to go on and stuff like that.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> I struggle making connection through or  church or community
> > > >>>> like I said even a buddy of mine has tried to talk to t others
> > > >>>> about others about walking with me or what not but there is
> > > >>>> great hazatation and never had
> > > >>> any
> > > >>>> luck weather it is walking or ki hiking and stuff like that.
> > > >>>> or even people to really connect with.
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