[Faith-Talk] serving and connection
Ericka
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Sun Aug 11 01:37:24 UTC 2024
Andrew, you need to talk to my husband and I. We can help you. But you got to trust and I know that’s tough.
Ericka Nelson
> On Aug 10, 2024, at 8:10 PM, andrew edgcumbe via Faith-Talk <faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> I can see what you all are saying though.
> I tend to have felt just so hurt by people that or hurt from the past
> that I have not been able to just put it asside.
> What I been finding not feeling as per say is that for me it has gotten
> difficault to point where i lash out.
> Even when I was refused it came to point where i got refused in the one
> nursing home wh with my mom there when she told me i needed somebody with
> me I said to her you never told me this before is what i told her.
>
> I really have found that most people around here depend on people to have
> workers with them aroud here orginizations like did disability
> orginizations really have no idea about blindness but however what I have
> found is that there has ben no realization of independence I am in the
> province of Ontario CNIB doesn't come up this far to do whole lot it is
> just the life skills instructor. nobody else.
> The thing about it though is that lack of modivation sets in and i get
> frusterated.
> even people in my own apartment building notice when something is wrong
> with me because I go quiet when something is wrong and stuff as it is like
> i don't share locally with those what is wrong with me and gets to be like
> pulling teeth.
>
> Sometimes when i feel certain way i wak away from people and sometimes what
> happens is that i become very angry and things when things don't go right
> for me.
>
> I often felt like God doesn't live me i know that isn't true but for me
> that i difficault to believe sometimes.
>
> Even when i we were in the 2020 stuff I became very angry.
> I won't talk about what was on my mind because to me i don't want to say my
> beliefs about it here because i would be called crazy but with me I was
> even more mad I went to stay with my parents for couple months and it was
> almost very toxid to me because my dad was very controlling and stuff.
>
> My dad has always told people i am blind his words are my son is blind m
> the fraise my blind son never by my name very much at all at times.
> I frusterated with family even especially my dad because he gets himself
> so busy that he never spends time with me like I would like to have and
> hopfully have somebody to do things woth with or adventures right now he is
> working on house and growing grass but to me they are moving bit further
> from me the thing is i never have agreed with everything some family
> members really do.
>
> My mom tries to come every week to do walking with me but i don't get to go
> on trips a or get any help to be taken somewhere to research these things
> as a person.
>
>
>
>> On Sat, Aug 10, 2024 at 8:51 PM Ashley Bramlett via Faith-Talk <
>> faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> Hello,
>> Well said Linda!
>> I like your idea of that Psalm and it really proves you know the Bible and
>> the word of God!
>> Amen to that!
>> To Andrew, please combine your email thoughts into one or two emails.
>> Please stop cluttering our inboxes. ?Do you realize how many emails you
>> wrote over the past two days? It would be different if you actually said
>> something articulate and understandable and new each email but you have not.
>>
>> I think Andrew's strong feelings and maybe mild depression coupled with
>> his developmental
>> Disability have made him feel this way. I have given many suggestions. My
>> top two suggestions are advocate better to the church by meeting with
>> leadership to express your willingness to be involved and what you need
>> from them to be included in the church ministry.
>> The next suggestion is to pray about it and think about your own talents
>> and skills. You have to know what you want to do before you can go do it.
>>
>> If you tell us the province you live in or a better idea of where you are,
>> maybe we can help you research things to locate services.
>>
>> Its obvious that Andrew is hurt based on rejection and exclusion of past
>> opportunities. But currently, you have to channel those feelings into
>> something empowering instead to get anywhere.
>> If you just go on down feelings, you get no where. I know, I've had my bad
>> days too and often face barriers feeling the world is against me. Everytime
>> I encounter an inaccessible part of a website, feelings come. Every time I
>> get rejected from employment, I feel that way.
>> Andrew, even during the end of the pandemic as restrictions were being
>> lifted and they had more in person activities with precautions like
>> masking, I applied for employment as a summer camp assistant for teens and
>> also applied to a senior center to be an activity facilitator.
>> I was interviewed. But then was not picked to get a job. I felt hurt. I
>> wondered why God had created me and felt down and rejected; I told God I
>> needed some real opportunities and prayed for something to come up.
>> I stopped looking for a while.
>>
>> In the fall, I plan to pursue both volunteer positions and part time
>> employment once again. If I need to volunteer to gain experience and I am
>> accepted, I will do it. If someone hires me though, even better.
>>
>> To all the listers here who wrote great ideas, thanks. This is a helpful
>> discussion to me as well because I might want to be involved in a ministry
>> of some sort and its nice to know some of you are actively involved.
>>
>> Take care all.
>>
>> Ashley
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Faith-Talk <faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Linda
>> Mentink via Faith-Talk
>> Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2024 7:36 PM
>> To: andrew edgcumbe via Faith-Talk <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: Linda Mentink <lmentink7360 at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Faith-Talk] serving and connection
>>
>> Hi Andrew,
>>
>> There you go again, going on your feelings. You know very well that you
>> are something to God. Please read and meditate upon Psalm 139. You are
>> created in the image of God. Does that make you nothing to Him? I think not.
>>
>> We have all tried to help you on this list in the past few hours—almost a
>> day, and all you can do is accuse us of judging you! If that's how you
>> treat those with whom you are in contact, it's no wonder they think you're
>> helpless and they don't want you to serve anywhere! I have nothing else to
>> say to you right now. I'm shocked and disappointed that you have acted the
>> way you have with us who have been trying to help you. We don't know you
>> and you don't know us, except for what we all post here. Grow up!!
>>
>> Sincerely,
>>
>> Linda
>>
>>
>>> On Aug 10, 2024 6:22 PM, andrew edgcumbe via Faith-Talk <
>>> faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> honestly i feel i am nothing to God anyway I really been accused of
>>> stuff and like I said in a earlier post people need to ask questions
>>> instead of judging me. I have low selfesteene and if i am not able to
>>> find things out for myself then i need e help to find opportunities.
>>>
>>> On Sat, Aug 10, 2024 at 5:33 PM Ericka via Faith-Talk
>>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> My husband and I can totally help you with that. And ask for those
>> games.
>>>> There are many ways to purchase or create your own Braille playing
>> cards.
>>>> And many other games like Uno could be bought already in Braille. I
>>>> am glad that you have the “I can do it!“ Attitude. I totally
>>>> understand about people not going how to help and your parents are
>>>> doing that and have done the best they could. I do see one thing you
>>>> can do. You can step up and say hey, this would make it a lot easier
>>>> for me to do such and such. Sometimes you have to bring the
>>>> solution to their attention rather than hoping they figure it out.
>>>> We’re the experts in blindness, right? You said that. So maybe one
>>>> day just bring some braille cards into that day program and see what
>>>> happens. Maybe got sent you there to teach that community and then
>>>> when you feel more confident and stronger and know who you are
>>>> better, you can Branch out into doing something else. Just singing in
>> the choir is still serving. Trust me, you don’t want me singing in any
>> choir.
>>>>
>>>> We are not put off by your developmental delays. We’re not scared
>>>> of your disability or anything. And honestly, we wish we could
>>>> afford to come to Canada! Take one step at a time.
>>>>
>>>> In Christian love,
>>>>
>>>> Ericka Nelson
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On Aug 10, 2024, at 3:20 AM, andrew edgcumbe via Faith-Talk <
>>>> faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi I know I guess the thing that stops me is not only self
>>>>> confident
>>>> end
>>>>> of thing that is stopping me but in my area i wouldn't be
>>>>> welcomed on to most construction sights I think that kind of is
>>>>> really well I don't
>>>> know.
>>>>> My family never has never pushed me to advokate in anyway.
>>>>>
>>>>> While I for most part moved out on my own most cases my family
>>>>> has never whatever I think that even they don't know what blind
>>>>> people to do because they have never bothered to educate themselves.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have conversations with people from latest c latest church i
>>>>> currently go to and they say it is to bad that or say they
>>>>> understand i want to do more but no effort was ever made for me to
>> help out.
>>>>>
>>>>> There is no hiking groups in my area at all. I tried to look for
>>>>> them and look for stuff along those lines.
>>>>> With trips and stuff i just don't know how to even find way ways
>>>>> to go
>>>> to
>>>>> these places i would want to go to. going on these adventures to
>>>>> me is
>>>> not
>>>>> a problem but it is finding people to do these things with Water
>>>>> parks would be harder to do if person doesn't ride water slide
>>>>> because I
>>>> wouldn't
>>>>> know my way around in water parks and stuff.
>>>>>
>>>>> I really far as youth group did go on few of the trips actually
>>>>> as well like he did accomidate way in a sence.
>>>>>
>>>>> There is hardly any other blind people seen in the community here.
>>>>> So i live in a smaller town in a sence.
>>>>>
>>>>> allot of people around here don't have the blind person can do it
>>>> attitude
>>>>> and for me to be advocating for myself totally alone or like the
>>>>> lone ranger trying to advocate myself is very hard or would be
>>>>> very hard and
>>>> to
>>>>> me it is hard to and very tiring to explaine to people i cn can
>>>>> cross a street and stuff like that for example.
>>>>>
>>>>> Not every place in town is excessible I can only get to one
>>>>> grocery store in town out of the 2 or 3 others bu by myself
>>>>> because of the inexcessibility of the parking lots no way for
>>>>> pudestrians to get in
>>>> there
>>>>> without dealing with bunch of cars in and out I can't go to a sub
>>>>> place
>>>> at
>>>>> all one of them because there is no safe way to get there at all
>>>>> even o
>>>> and
>>>>> m never could figure it out.
>>>>>
>>>>> part of me really wishes that somebody could at least help me with
>>>>> the advokating part of things at the very least that is the thing.
>>>>>
>>>>> Like I do go to a day program for people with disabilities but
>>>>> most
>>>> times i
>>>>> am just sitting there doing nothing. I am always left out of the
>>>>> games they are doing and left out of video games and i used to be
>>>>> in another
>>>> day
>>>>> program last year but they didn't do very good at getting me
>>>>> playing
>>>> games
>>>>> because these certain ones were playing the card or board games I
>>>>> never
>>>> got
>>>>> a turn or anything like that.
>>>>>
>>>>> Also they never gave me chance to know my way around at all they
>>>>> never
>>>> gave
>>>>> me chance to
>>>>> They never whatever I never used the bathroom while there because
>>>>> I
>>>> didn't
>>>>> feel i could be independent over independent because they were
>>>>> almost treating me differently like you need help with this and
>>>>> that type of
>>>> thing.
>>>>> even their vollunteer drivers especially one in particular
>>>>> ansisted on putting my seatbelt on but that was only one he put it
>>>>> on before i had chance to say anything so when I was coming home
>>>>> and he was doing
>>>> something
>>>>> else i quickly put it on.
>>>>>
>>>>> So i ended up leaving that particular program.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> People around here really don't want me to help out with stuff
>>>>> each
>>>> time i
>>>>> mention it to my mom she is like i don't know what to tell you.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I just feel so alone in my struggles and i hate being so alone in
>>>>> the end of advocacy and i know i need to do it probably but i
>>>>> don't know how to really build that self confidence when people
>>>>> are not as open to me doing things or blind people doing things.
>>>>>
>>>>> It feels like i am always being watched and stuff.
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't mind people helping me but when they help me to much just
>>>> because i
>>>>> am blind it can really be over whelming.
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't know how to use discord I can never get it to work for me
>>>>> and i been trying to figure it out on my computer but it is very
>>>>> hard because allot of the time i don't know how to make it work and
>> how to whatever.
>>>> as
>>>>> allot of things are not excessible.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have a real hard time finding out about events in my area
>>>>> weather it is restaurants or web sites not always info is even
>>>>> excessible and miss
>>>> stuff.
>>>>>
>>>>> I had been trying to fix that events thing by having a facebook
>>>>> group somebody else helped start but facebook becao became un
>>>>> became the option that is out the door because i have not been
>>>>> able to log in for whole
>>>> month
>>>>> because i kept getting error messages like sorry we will fix it
>>>>> something went wrong usually it fixed but this time it is that way
>>>>> for 4 weeks now
>>>> or
>>>>> a month i use facebook on my computer so i can't access the group
>>>>> on facebook. i even tried resetting passwords and everything so no
>> go.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sat, Aug 10, 2024 at 2:38 AM Ashley Bramlett via Faith-Talk <
>>>>>> faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>> That is too bad you did not feel too included as a Christian
>> teenager.
>>>>>> Well, its too bad you did not have your mom or family member
>> advocate.
>>>>>> It sounds like the adult leaders had misconceptions and did not
>>>>>> seek to educate themselves about inclusion and that is real sad.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> When I was in youth groups, I did most things but not other
>> activities.
>>>>>> Like you though, I went to because I wanted to be out of the
>>>>>> house and
>>>> my
>>>>>> parents just said it was available and I should go like my brothers
>> did.
>>>>>> I think they told the youth group leaders about sighted guide and
>>>>>> to describe things to me such as when they served dinner or
>>>>>> snacks to tell
>>>> me
>>>>>> the options before serving me; but not too much else.
>>>>>> I was finding myself as a teen like all other teens and did not
>>>>>> know all of what I needed but did do some advocating.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If the group did sports, I was left out, but for most activities,
>>>>>> I went to them. It was a long time ago so I do not even remember
>>>>>> what we did. I think we did some prayer, stories, drama, simply
>>>>>> socializing, and
>>>> singing.
>>>>>> We also had some fun outings and some I attended such as bowling.
>>>>>> I have some memories of youth retreats too.
>>>>>> The adult leaders did accommodate me sometimes.
>>>>>> At the time I did not have a braille Bible so when we did our
>>>>>> Bible
>>>> story
>>>>>> time, I think one of the leaders read to me.
>>>>>> Much of the retreat was to hang out and talk and have plenty of
>>>>>> food. I remember having a good time overall.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think you need to advocate for yourself! Maybe you can find
>>>>>> other friends with your same disability to hang out. In my area,
>>>>>> there are day programs for people with developmental disabilities
>>>>>> so maybe try to find one. If you use a Ipad or Iphone, there are
>>>>>> apps to chat with people who share your interests such as the
>>>>>> clubhouse app. Oh and there is discord too. Not the same as a
>>>>>> real place to hang out but it would give you the connection to talk
>> to people.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You can certainly go to adventure activities such as amusement
>>>>>> parks, Andrew!
>>>>>> In my area there are clubs for that. There is a hiking club and a
>>>> running
>>>>>> club and some others. Maybe try finding a club to do this with.
>>>>>> Just go sighted guide and have someone tell you the rides they
>>>>>> see
>>>> around
>>>>>> and pick some to go on. Its fun.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If someone told you that you cannot work with the elderly, that
>>>>>> is real discriminatory and you should absolutely not have to
>>>>>> bring someone with
>>>> you
>>>>>> to perform that task of being a friendly visitor.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Finally, you can certainly do hands on activities. I do not know
>>>>>> what is stopping you still. I just think you lack self confidence.
>>>>>> So, look for a service project and go for it. Fill out the
>>>>>> applications and steps for it and go for it.
>>>>>> If they tell you no, go to the head of the organization. If no
>>>> resolution,
>>>>>> if it were me, I'd blast them! I'd go to the media, write letters
>>>>>> to the editor about me being barred from serving and working for
>>>>>> no money expected, and then get the equivalent of NFB involved. I
>>>>>> know you have something like the NFB in Canada
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've not done much hands on work and moving around tables and
>>>>>> chairs,
>>>> but
>>>>>> I know blind people who did do it. I also have heard of several
>>>>>> blind people doing it from NFB articles and lists.
>>>>>> You could serve on a house project with the equivalent of Habitat
>>>>>> for Humanity. You could serve at a soup kitchen. Some nonprofits
>>>>>> here have projects to move in donated furniture and beautify
>>>>>> houses and you could
>>>> do
>>>>>> that.
>>>>>> I'm sure your country has something similar.
>>>>>> Blind people have done these things. Just have someone show you
>>>>>> what to do. If its hands on work, that can be done by touching
>>>>>> the tools. You
>>>> could
>>>>>> perhaps start by organizing items or participating by handing
>>>>>> group
>>>> members
>>>>>> tools or help lifting things assuming you have the strength to do
>> it.
>>>> For
>>>>>> instance, if you are bringing in supplies to repair something in
>>>>>> a home, you can help carry it and unload supplies.
>>>>>> If you go on a campfire outing and you want to help get the fire
>>>>>> ready, carry the supplies over for it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> These service projects are doable and you should not be stopped.
>>>>>> I'll
>>>> send
>>>>>> a few links to articles about people serving in ministry to help
>>>>>> the homeless and other vonerable populations.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have some vision and use a cane. So, I have to first tell them
>>>>>> a
>>>> little
>>>>>> about what I do not see since I look normal. Sometimes it seems
>>>>>> like totally blind people are accepted less. If you have
>>>>>> blindisms, like rocking, try to stop. That is off putting to people.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It can be done. These articles speak of overcoming the
>>>>>> misconceptions other sighted people had but they did it and
>> participated.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> HTH,
>>>>>> Ashley
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: Faith-Talk <faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of
>>>>>> andrew edgcumbe via Faith-Talk
>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2024 1:20 AM
>>>>>> To: Faith-talk, for the discussion of Blindness in faith and
>>>>>> religion < faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Cc: andrew edgcumbe <rollercoasterman86 at gmail.com>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Faith-Talk] serving and connection
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have even asked my mom and stuff about vollunteer opportunities
>>>>>> and
>>>> she
>>>>>> has no idea's for me either.
>>>>>> I did go to youth groups and stuff earlier and I like Ashley was
>>>>>> left
>>>> out
>>>>>> of some activities in fact I was all by myself when they went to
>>>>>> play
>>>> their
>>>>>> games in the Gym.
>>>>>> They often didn't include me in much but i still went to get out
>>>>>> of the house.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I also asked some young people to hang with me as well at times
>>>>>> and i always found that they just didn't seem to want to and it
>>>>>> was like they didn't care to hang with me.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> People don't seem to want to do much with me I don't know if it
>>>>>> is
>>>> because
>>>>>> they trh think they need to help me or they think there is or it
>>>>>> is to complicated to hang out with a blind person I just don't
>>>>>> know what it
>>>> is.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> or if it is because people don't want to deal with those with
>>>> disabilities.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, Aug 9, 2024 at 11:45 PM Brian Hatgelakas via Faith-Talk <
>>>>>> faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> you said it 100 percent correctly!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, Aug 9, 2024 at 11:15 PM Ashley Bramlett via Faith-Talk <
>>>>>>> faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>> It sounds like you are lonely.
>>>>>>>> It sounds like you want someone to assist you with walking and
>>>>>>>> getting
>>>>>>> out
>>>>>>>> in the community for fitness participation and social activities.
>>>>>>>> I'm going to a church with my dad which is also small and most
>>>>>>>> members
>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>> older or maybe adults middle age with families.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I have not exactly asked to serve but I suspect they would be
>>>>>>>> fine with most activities. I have considered helping out with
>>>>>>>> the youth group.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I am also seeking a fitness buddy to have nature walks with or
>>>>>>>> simple
>>>>>>> trail
>>>>>>>> walking or tandem biking.
>>>>>>>> But, so far I did not find anyone. I asked our nearest chapter
>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>> Achilles
>>>>>>>> international, dc chapter,
>>>>>>>> But did not find anyone; no response yet.
>>>>>>>> So, I know what you mean about needing a guide to do activities
>>>>>>>> with and finding no one. I can and do exercise alone at a gym
>>>>>>>> such as by using the seated bikes or treadmills but I do so
>>>>>>>> much desire to do some outside
>>>>>>> walks
>>>>>>>> or biking and go with someone so I can focus on the walk and
>>>>>>>> exercise,
>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>> my mobility skills.
>>>>>>>> I also want more social connections either from the church or
>>>>>> elsewhere.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It sounds like you have other disabilities given how this is
>>>>>>>> written and how you write here. I do not know your full
>>>>>>>> situation. I'm just speculating.
>>>>>>>> It would be helpful to know what you really mean. So far your
>>>>>>>> emails are vague saying that You simply are not accepted and
>>>>>>>> you are not finding connections.
>>>>>>>> What do you want to do? Some examples? What were some things
>>>>>>>> you tried
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> were rejected from?
>>>>>>>> Saying you have lack of opportunity does not tell us much.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I do not mean to be critical but you have written things like
>>>>>>>> this before and it comes up year after year.
>>>>>>>> Only by getting specific can we help some.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Writing things like this
>>>>>>>> " It is like people have been so hazatant to do anything or to
>>>>>>>> support me or help me find those opportunities either as part
>>>>>>>> of a church or even ministry and stuff like that."
>>>>>>>> Does not say much.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Have you tried finding connections through a community website?
>>>>>>>> Here we have www.meetup.com, but I'm not sure you have that.
>>>>>>>> I've not used this myself, but I know it's a way to find groups
>>>>>>>> to meet
>>>>>>> up
>>>>>>>> with.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I do hope you find something. If there is a Christian ministry
>>>>>>>> for the blind in Canada where you are, maybe you can help them,
>>>>>>>> even if its remotely.
>>>>>>>> Here in the USA we have Christian Record Services and Lutheran
>>>>>>>> Braille Workers; both are far from my home of VA but I've
>>>>>>>> considered trying to do something with them remotely. Maybe
>>>>>>>> writing something or conducting something over a video platform
>> like zoom.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You have to educate people about your abilities too. You may
>>>>>>>> not be asked to help as they do not know what you can do or how
>>>>>>>> you can do it, so do educate them.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Anyways, with more specifics, maybe we can give more suggestions.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ashley
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: Faith-Talk <faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of
>>>>>>>> andrew edgcumbe via Faith-Talk
>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, August 9, 2024 10:27 PM
>>>>>>>> To: Faith-talk, for the discussion of faith and religion
>>>>>>>> <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>> Cc: andrew edgcumbe <rollercoasterman86 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> Subject: [Faith-Talk] serving and connection
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi
>>>>>>>> My name is Andrew for those who don't know me.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I have just had struggle after struggle with just being able
>>>>>>>> to serve as part of a church body and stuff like that other
>>>>>>>> then maybe music and
>>>>>>> stuff
>>>>>>>> like that.
>>>>>>>> To me the experience is they don't know what to do with me
>>>>>>>> because of my blindness and stuff like that.
>>>>>>>> It is like people have been so hazatant to do anything or to
>>>>>>>> support me
>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>> help me find those opportunities either as part of a church or
>>>>>>>> even ministry and stuff like that.
>>>>>>>> The answer I always get is just pray about it while we should
>>>>>>>> do that
>>>>>>> and i
>>>>>>>> been doing that all along but faith should be followed up by
>>>>>>>> action to
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> stuff like that.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> While I don't know other area's speciffically my church is a
>>>>>>>> very small church so it is limited but I want to find christian
>>>>>>>> ministries who actually let blind people serve even if it is
>>>>>>>> from home or some other way.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The other area is that i have trouble making connections that
>>>>>>>> really
>>>>>>> foster
>>>>>>>> into more then just sunday morning fellowship.
>>>>>>>> I have tried to find hiking partners and finding other things.
>>>>>>>> i reached out to couple of the other churches for walking
>>>>>>>> buddies and
>>>>>>> stuff
>>>>>>>> like that and just other people whom perhaps i can really make
>>>>>>>> connection with from a church to do coffee with or do other
>>>>>>>> things with and I don't know they are afraid of the fact i am
>>>>>>>> blind I don't
>>>>>> know what it is.
>>>>>>>> I just been really looking for answers as to what to do with
>>>>>>>> myself like
>>>>>>> i
>>>>>>>> have few people in building i connect with but they have
>>>>>>>> disabilities
>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>> keep them from doing walks with me or other adventures I would
>>>>>>>> like to
>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>> able to go on and stuff like that.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I struggle making connection through or church or community
>>>>>>>> like I said even a buddy of mine has tried to talk to t others
>>>>>>>> about others about walking with me or what not but there is
>>>>>>>> great hazatation and never had
>>>>>>> any
>>>>>>>> luck weather it is walking or ki hiking and stuff like that.
>>>>>>>> or even people to really connect with.
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