[Faith-Talk] serving and connection

Sun Aug 11 01:39:53 UTC 2024

I am on some of those sights. maybe that would be better then just going
back and fourth by email or in a phone call.
Sometimes jaws reads things in such a way it makes me think everybody is
mad at me which I don't want.
I know I shouldn't have treated linda like a trouble maker but sometimes i
struggled with lashing out and stuff.

I can't do ca counciling because christian councilors cost ton of money i
don't have when don't have a job to pay for it.

I know my character isn't good sim sometimes. I know that i tend f to have
allot of off moments sometimes.

I often times struggle to express myself in the right way without it coming
out the wrong way.
I really don't know who i really am i don't know myself what i am really
about sometimes and don't know  what i really worth to God and what i won't
say place because that means serving but I don't know what my space is to
look like and don't know what it is I tend to hold on to things and let
things bother me to point where i explode sometimes now maybe i don't
always lash out but I lash myself going inside of me and thinking negatie
thoughts and making myself very whatever.

I really trying to figure myself out.

On Sat, Aug 10, 2024 at 9:18 PM Wesley Burden via Faith-Talk <
faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> I agree Ashley Andrew is sending one liner emails and it is literally
> blowing up my iphone, my ipad, my email, and my apple watch.  I would love
> to talk to you about ministry Ashley.  I volunteer at my church by setting
> up and tear down for every single event that we host at are church and love
> it.  You can reach me on my cell which is:
> 8567695115
> Call or text me anytime Ashley with questions.  I have an idea maybe if
> all of us are on one of these chat sites like out of sight or blind café
> maybe inviting Andrew in a room so we can all have a discussion with Andrew
> and try to help him and encourage him or zoom would work.  Just a thought
> and a idea.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Faith-Talk <faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Ashley
> Bramlett via Faith-Talk
> Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2024 9:02 PM
> To: 'Faith-talk, for the discussion of Blindness in faith and religion' <
> faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: bookwormahb at earthlink.net
> Subject: Re: [Faith-Talk] serving and connection
>
> Andrew!
> Please, please, stop emailing so much! You have posted 12 emails today in
> the second half of the day.
> Please stop the one liner emails!
> I checked my email mid afternoon at 4:00 and now check it again.
> You wrote at least a dozen emails.
> We are not judging you. You just wrote to Sarah I see and she was giving
> you advice to advocate.
> She is totally right. You have to tell people you can do it.
> In fact, Sarah, interesting you say to do this.
> Guess what I had to do politely in a paratransit bus?
> I did exactly what Sarah said! I told them I could buckle my seatbelt, and
> told them I could hold onto my bags.
> They deal with many types of disabilities on the paratransit system so
> they might ask if I can do the basic things. I say yes and they accept
> that. I rarely have drivers try to fascin the seat belt but it has happened
> years back.
>
> One suggestion for advocacy is to go over what you need with someone who
> can write. Perhaps your mother.
> Then you can write it down yourself as she reads back the list. If you can
> write braille, write it down  before the meetings for when you go to these
> meetings.
> I'm sure its challenging to talk about your needs especially being
> developmentally delayed, so that is why I say write it down and practice
> ahead of time.
>
> Take care.
> Once again, thanks to the listers who posted and responded helpfully
> including Judy and Erica who wrote a lot.
> We are strangers, yet you took the time to write helpful things and share
> your life experience.
>
> God bless everyone!
>
> Ashley
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Faith-Talk <faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of andrew
> edgcumbe via Faith-Talk
> Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2024 7:09 PM
> To: Faith-talk, for the discussion of Blindness in faith and religion <
> faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: andrew edgcumbe <rollercoasterman86 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Faith-Talk] serving and connection
>
> well i don't see a r3eason to do anything then because all i am getting
> from people is judgment and stuff.
>
> On Sat, Aug 10, 2024 at 11:21 AM Sarah Blake LaRose via Faith-Talk <
> faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> > Hi Andrew.
> > First, the person hindering you most is yourself. You know your
> > capabilities and it is up to you to let people know what you can do.
> > If you let people do things for you because they keep doing them, then
> > they will think you can't do them. So, if the driver tries to put your
> > seatbelt on for you and you are perfectly capable of doing it, tell
> > him you don't need that help thank you very much.
> > What will help your advocacy skills is experience, not someone else
> > doing it for you.
> > Also, please take time to proofread your emails. I am certain that you
> > can write well. Your emails are coming out very jumbled because you
> > are not taking time to proofread. If sighted people are reading this
> > kind of mail from you, this is likely contributing to your problem.
> > Write as well as you speak, in good complete sentences. Communicate
> clearly.
> > Knowing your way around an area is not a prerequisite to having fun.
> > If you want to participate with a group on a field trip, go and plan
> > to be included. Let people know what you would like to do. You are
> > doing a lot of assuming that there are all the things you can't do.
> > The rest of the world is already doing this on your behalf. Assume
> > there are ways you can do things and start seeking them out. Make the
> > world your ally instead of letting them make you theirs.
> >
> >
> > Sarah Blake LaRose, D.Min.
> > sarah at sarahblakelarose.com
> > http://www.sarahblakelarose.com
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Faith-Talk <faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Deborah
> > via Faith-Talk
> > Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2024 10:52 AM
> > To: 'Faith-talk, for the discussion of Blindness in faith and
> > religion' < faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
> > Cc: Deborah <deborahb14 at verizon.net>
> > Subject: Re: [Faith-Talk] serving and connection
> >
> > My church has a Lyft account that they use when I can't take the bus.
> > They have actually used it for me sometimes when the bus is running.
> > If your town is very small, that is not an option.  Sometimes if you
> > get yourself there, people are more willing to help you get home.
> > That sometimes works for evening activities because the bus is still
> > running at the beginning of the event but not at the end.
> >
> > Also, if you join a group activity, you have to attend for a little
> > while to decide if the group is for you.  I also think we all need to
> > remember that our ministry is to serve God rather than just
> > participate in an organizational activity.  If you know of an elderly
> > person who is not getting visitors, visit them on your own.  This is a
> > little hard for those of us who do not have our own transportation,
> > because sometimes a sickly person wants a short visit and sometimes
> > they want to talk for two hours, and there is no way of predicting
> > what they will want.  Try to find opportunities to study the Bible with
> one other person.
> >
> > Debbie Brown
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Faith-Talk [mailto:faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> > bruce&joy breslauer via Faith-Talk
> > Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2024 5:13 AM
> > To: 'Faith-talk, for the discussion of Blindness in faith and
> > religion' < faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
> > Cc: bruce&joy breslauer <breslauerj at gmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Faith-Talk] serving and connection
> >
> > Do you have a service or a program that can teach you orientation and
> > mobility skills, or is there somewhere you could go to learn daily
> > living skills like cooking, cleaning, laundry, hygiene, handling
> > finances, reading Braille, using computers, learning job skills, or
> > whatever it is you need to learn or need to build up your confidence
> > doing?  I don't know if blindness is your only disability. I don't
> > know what you need so I'm just including a random list.  You say you
> > live in a small town, so I don't know what transportation options are
> > available to you.  Some places have busses or vans for the elderly or
> > handicapped, and some have busses that anybody can ride if you know
> > the schedule.  Are there any groups who help the blind learn things they
> need to learn in order to be on their own successfully?
> > You say there aren't any other blind people around, so you can't learn
> > from someone as a mentor.  But I know there is a Canadian group for the
> blind.
> > I just looked it up and there is more than one.  The first one I came
> > to was the Canadian National Institute for the Blind.  They say they
> > have local chapters all over Canada, and they might even have at large
> > chapters which meet by phone or by zoom if you are too far from a
> > local chapter.  If you look up your province on the list, they will
> > tell you the phone number to call. I don't know if that interests you,
> > but if they can't help you, perhaps they can point you in the direction
> of someone who can.
> >
> > I just came across a really cool thing on their web site.  They have a
> > mobile van that they can bring to your community at no cost.  Here is
> > what their web site says about it:
> > Meet the CNIB Mobile Hub – a new program delivery model where we visit
> > your community to deliver in-person programming at no cost to you.
> > Drop in to meet CNIB staff and learn more about free programs and
> > resources for people who are blind, Deafblind, or have low vision.
> > Enjoy a day of recreational and social activities, technology workshops,
> and much more.
> > Experience the latest breakthroughs in assistive tech from CNIB
> > SmartLife and connect with other members of the sight loss community.
> >
> > To see where we’re headed next, check out our tour schedule.
> > https://www.cnib.ca/programs-and-services/live/cnib-mobile-hub
> >
> > I hope some of this helps.
> >
> > I think some of the changes you're seeking may start with you.  You're
> > the one who knows yourself best and knows what you need.  Joy
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Faith-Talk <faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of andrew
> > edgcumbe via Faith-Talk
> > Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2024 2:16 AM
> > To: Faith-talk, for the discussion of Blindness in faith and religion
> > < faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
> > Cc: andrew edgcumbe <rollercoasterman86 at gmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Faith-Talk] serving and connection
> >
> > Hi  I know  I guess the thing that stops me is not only  self
> > confident end of thing that is stopping me but in my area  i wouldn't
> > be welcomed on to most construction sights I think that kind of is
> > really  well I don't know.
> > My family never  has never pushed me to advokate in anyway.
> >
> > While I  for most part moved out on my own  most cases my family  has
> > never  whatever I think that even they don't know what blind people to
> > do because they have never bothered to educate themselves.
> >
> > I have conversations with people  from latest c latest church i
> > currently go to and they say it is to bad that  or say they understand
> > i want to do more  but no effort was ever made for me to help out.
> >
> > There is no hiking groups in my area at all. I tried to look for them
> > and look for  stuff along those lines.
> > With trips and stuff i just don't know how to even find way  ways to
> > go to these places i would want to go to. going on these adventures to
> > me is not a problem but it is finding people to do these things with
> > Water parks would be harder to do if person doesn't ride water slide
> > because I wouldn't know my way around in water parks and stuff.
> >
> > I really  far as youth group did go on few of the trips actually as
> > well like he did accomidate way in a sence.
> >
> > There is hardly any other blind people seen in the community here. So
> > i live in a smaller town in a sence.
> >
> > allot of people around here don't have the blind person can do it
> > attitude and for me to  be  advocating for myself totally alone or
> > like the lone ranger trying to advocate myself is very hard or would
> > be very hard and to me it is hard to  and very tiring to explaine to
> > people i cn can cross a street and stuff like that for example.
> >
> > Not every place in town is excessible I can only get to one grocery
> > store in town out of the 2 or 3 others bu by myself because of the
> > inexcessibility of the parking lots no way for pudestrians to get in
> > there without dealing with bunch of cars in and out  I can't go to a
> > sub place at all one of them because there is no safe way to get there
> > at all even o and m never could figure it out.
> >
> > part of me really wishes that somebody could at least help me with the
> > advokating part of things at the very least that is the thing.
> >
> > Like I do go to a day program for people with disabilities but most
> > times i am just sitting there doing nothing.  I am always left out of
> > the games they are doing and left out of video games and i used to be
> > in another day program last year but they didn't do very good at
> > getting me playing games because these certain ones were playing the
> > card or board games I never got a turn or anything like that.
> >
> > Also they never gave me chance to know my way around at all they never
> > gave me chance to They never  whatever I never used the bathroom while
> > there because I didn't feel i could be independent over  independent
> > because they were almost treating me differently like you need help
> > with this and that type of thing.
> > even their vollunteer drivers especially one in particular ansisted on
> > putting my seatbelt on but that was only one he put it on before i had
> > chance to say anything so when I was coming home and he was doing
> > something else i quickly put it on.
> >
> > So i ended up leaving that particular program.
> >
> >
> > People around here really don't want me to help out with stuff  each
> > time i mention it to my mom she is like i don't know what to tell you.
> >
> >
> > I just feel so alone in my struggles and i hate being so alone in the
> > end of advocacy and i know i need to do it probably but i don't know
> > how to really build that self confidence when people are not as open
> > to me doing things or blind people doing things.
> >
> > It feels like i am always being watched and stuff.
> >
> > I don't mind people helping me but when they help me to much just
> > because i am blind it can really be over whelming.
> >
> > I don't know how to use discord I can never get it to work for me and
> > i been trying to figure it out on my computer but it is very hard
> > because allot of the time i don't know how to make it work and how to
> > whatever.  as allot of things are not excessible.
> >
> > I have a real hard time finding out about events in my area weather it
> > is restaurants or web sites not always info is even excessible and miss
> stuff.
> >
> > I had been trying to fix that events thing by having a facebook group
> > somebody else helped start but facebook becao became un became the
> > option that is out the door because i have not been able to log in for
> > whole month because i kept getting error messages like sorry we will
> > fix it something went wrong usually it fixed but this time it is that
> > way for 4 weeks now or a month i use facebook on my computer so i
> > can't access the group on facebook. i even tried resetting passwords and
> everything so no go.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Aug 10, 2024 at 2:38 AM Ashley Bramlett via Faith-Talk <
> > faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi,
> > > That is too bad you did not feel too included as a Christian teenager.
> > > Well, its too bad you did not have your mom or family member advocate.
> > > It sounds like the adult leaders had misconceptions and did not seek
> > > to educate themselves about inclusion and that is real sad.
> > >
> > > When I was in youth groups, I did most things but not other activities.
> > > Like you though, I went to because I wanted to be out of the house
> > > and my parents just said it was available and I should go like my
> > > brothers
> > did.
> > > I think they told the youth group leaders about sighted guide and to
> > > describe things to me such as when they served dinner or snacks to
> > > tell me the options before serving me; but not too much else.
> > > I was finding myself as a teen like all other teens and did not know
> > > all of what I needed but did do some advocating.
> > >
> > > If the group did sports, I was left out, but for most activities, I
> > > went to them. It was a long time ago so I do not even remember what
> > > we did. I think we did some prayer, stories, drama, simply
> > > socializing, and
> > singing.
> > > We also had some fun outings and some I attended such as bowling.
> > > I have some memories of youth retreats too.
> > > The adult leaders did accommodate me sometimes.
> > > At the time I did not have a braille Bible so when we did our Bible
> > > story time, I think one of the leaders read to me.
> > > Much of the retreat was to hang out and talk and have plenty of food.
> > > I remember having a good time overall.
> > >
> > > I think you need to advocate for yourself! Maybe you can find other
> > > friends with your same disability to hang out. In my area, there are
> > > day programs for people with developmental disabilities so maybe try
> > > to find one. If you use a Ipad or Iphone, there are apps to chat
> > > with people who share your interests such as the clubhouse app. Oh
> > > and there is discord too. Not the same as a real place to hang out
> > > but it would give you the connection to talk to people.
> > >
> > > You can certainly go to adventure activities such as amusement
> > > parks, Andrew!
> > > In my area there are clubs for that. There is a hiking club and a
> > > running club and some others. Maybe try finding a club to do this with.
> > > Just go sighted guide and have someone tell you the rides they see
> > > around and pick some to go on. Its fun.
> > >
> > > If someone told you that you cannot work with the elderly, that is
> > > real discriminatory and you should absolutely not have to bring
> > > someone with you to perform that task of being a friendly visitor.
> > >
> > > Finally, you can certainly do hands on activities. I do not know
> > > what is stopping you still. I just think you lack self confidence.
> > > So, look for a service project and go for it. Fill out the
> > > applications and steps for it and go for it.
> > > If they tell you no, go to the head of the organization. If no
> > > resolution, if it were me, I'd blast them! I'd go to the media,
> > > write letters to the editor about me being barred from serving and
> > > working for no money expected, and then get the equivalent of NFB
> > > involved. I know you have something like the NFB in Canada
> > >
> > > I've not done much hands on work and moving around tables and
> > > chairs, but I know blind people who did do it. I also have heard of
> > > several blind people doing it from NFB articles and lists.
> > > You could serve on a house project with the equivalent of Habitat
> > > for Humanity. You could serve at a soup kitchen. Some nonprofits
> > > here have projects to move in donated furniture and beautify houses
> > > and you could do that.
> > > I'm sure your country has something similar.
> > > Blind people have done these things. Just have someone show you what
> > > to do. If its hands on work, that can be done by touching the tools.
> > > You could perhaps start by organizing items or participating by
> > > handing group members tools or help lifting things assuming you have
> > > the strength to do it. For instance, if you are bringing in supplies
> > > to repair something in a home, you can help carry it and unload
> supplies.
> > > If you go on a campfire outing and you want to help get the fire
> > > ready, carry the supplies over for it.
> > >
> > > These service projects are doable and you should not be stopped.
> > > I'll send a few links to articles about people serving in ministry
> > > to help the homeless and other vonerable populations.
> > >
> > > I have some vision and use a cane. So,  I have to first tell them a
> > > little about what I do not see since I look normal. Sometimes it
> > > seems like totally blind people are accepted less. If you have
> > > blindisms, like rocking, try to stop. That is off putting to people.
> > >
> > > It can be done. These articles speak of overcoming the
> > > misconceptions other sighted people had but they did it and
> participated.
> > >
> > > HTH,
> > > Ashley
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Faith-Talk <faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of andrew
> > > edgcumbe via Faith-Talk
> > > Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2024 1:20 AM
> > > To: Faith-talk, for the discussion of Blindness in faith and
> > > religion < faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
> > > Cc: andrew edgcumbe <rollercoasterman86 at gmail.com>
> > > Subject: Re: [Faith-Talk] serving and connection
> > >
> > > I have even asked my mom and stuff about vollunteer opportunities
> > > and she has no idea's for me either.
> > > I did go to youth groups and stuff earlier and I like Ashley was
> > > left out of some activities in fact I was all by myself when they
> > > went to play their games in the Gym.
> > > They often didn't include me in much but i still went to get out of
> > > the house.
> > >
> > > I also asked some young people to hang with me as well at times and
> > > i always found that they just didn't seem to want to and it was like
> > > they didn't care to hang with me.
> > >
> > > People don't seem to want to do much with me I don't know if it is
> > > because they trh think they need to help me or they think there is
> > > or it is to complicated to hang out with a blind person I just don't
> > > know
> > what it is.
> > >
> > > or if it is because people don't want to deal with those with
> > disabilities.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Fri, Aug 9, 2024 at 11:45 PM Brian Hatgelakas via Faith-Talk <
> > > faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > > you said it 100 percent correctly!
> > > >
> > > > On Fri, Aug 9, 2024 at 11:15 PM Ashley Bramlett via Faith-Talk <
> > > > faith-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Hi,
> > > > > It sounds like you are lonely.
> > > > > It sounds like you want someone to assist you with walking and
> > > > > getting
> > > > out
> > > > > in the community for fitness participation and social activities.
> > > > > I'm going to a church with my dad which is also small and most
> > > > > members
> > > > are
> > > > > older or maybe adults middle age with families.
> > > > >
> > > > > I have not exactly asked to serve but I suspect they would be
> > > > > fine with most activities. I have considered helping out with
> > > > > the youth group.
> > > > >
> > > > > I am also seeking a fitness buddy to have nature walks with or
> > > > > simple
> > > > trail
> > > > > walking or tandem biking.
> > > > > But, so far I did not find anyone. I asked our nearest chapter
> > > > > of
> > > > Achilles
> > > > > international, dc chapter,
> > > > > But did not find anyone; no response yet.
> > > > > So, I know what you mean about needing a guide to do activities
> > > > > with and finding no one. I can and do exercise alone at a gym
> > > > > such as by using the seated bikes or treadmills but I do so much
> > > > > desire to do some outside
> > > > walks
> > > > > or biking and go with someone so I can focus on the walk and
> > > > > exercise,
> > > > not
> > > > > my mobility skills.
> > > > > I also want more social connections either from the church or
> > > elsewhere.
> > > > >
> > > > > It sounds like you have other disabilities given how this is
> > > > > written and how you write here. I do not know your full situation.
> > > > > I'm just speculating.
> > > > > It would be helpful to know what you really mean. So far your
> > > > > emails are vague saying that You simply are not accepted and you
> > > > > are not finding connections.
> > > > > What do you want to do? Some examples? What were some things you
> > > > > tried
> > > > and
> > > > > were rejected from?
> > > > > Saying you have lack of opportunity does not tell us much.
> > > > >
> > > > > I do not mean to be critical but you have written things like
> > > > > this before and it comes up year after year.
> > > > > Only by getting specific can we help some.
> > > > >
> > > > > Writing things like this
> > > > > " It is like people have been so hazatant to do anything or to
> > > > > support me or help me find those opportunities either as part of
> > > > > a church or even ministry and stuff like that."
> > > > > Does not say much.
> > > > >
> > > > > Have you tried finding connections through a community website?
> > > > > Here we have www.meetup.com, but I'm not sure you have that.
> > > > > I've not used this myself, but I know it's a way to find groups
> > > > > to meet
> > > > up
> > > > > with.
> > > > >
> > > > > I do hope you find something. If there is a Christian ministry
> > > > > for the blind in Canada where you are, maybe you can help them,
> > > > > even if its remotely.
> > > > > Here in the USA we have Christian Record Services and Lutheran
> > > > > Braille Workers; both are far from my home of VA but I've
> > > > > considered trying to do something with them  remotely. Maybe
> > > > > writing something or conducting something over a video platform
> > > > > like
> > zoom.
> > > > >
> > > > > You have to educate people about your abilities too. You may not
> > > > > be asked to help as they do not know what you can do or how you
> > > > > can do it, so do educate them.
> > > > >
> > > > > Anyways, with more specifics, maybe we can give more suggestions.
> > > > >
> > > > > Ashley
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: Faith-Talk <faith-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of
> > > > > andrew edgcumbe via Faith-Talk
> > > > > Sent: Friday, August 9, 2024 10:27 PM
> > > > > To: Faith-talk, for the discussion of faith and religion
> > > > > <faith-talk at nfbnet.org>
> > > > > Cc: andrew edgcumbe <rollercoasterman86 at gmail.com>
> > > > > Subject: [Faith-Talk] serving and connection
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi
> > > > > My name is Andrew for those who don't know me.
> > > > >
> > > > > I have just had struggle after struggle with  just being able to
> > > > > serve as part of a church body and stuff like that other then
> > > > > maybe music and
> > > > stuff
> > > > > like that.
> > > > > To me the experience is they don't know what to do with me
> > > > > because of my blindness and stuff like that.
> > > > > It is like people have been so hazatant to do anything or to
> > > > > support me
> > > > or
> > > > > help me find those opportunities either as part of a church or
> > > > > even ministry and stuff like that.
> > > > > The answer I always get is just pray about it while we should do
> > > > > that
> > > > and i
> > > > > been doing that all along but faith should be followed up by
> > > > > action to
> > > > and
> > > > > stuff like that.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > While I don't know other area's speciffically my church is a
> > > > > very small church so it is limited but I want to find christian
> > > > > ministries who actually let blind people serve even if it is
> > > > > from home or some other way.
> > > > >
> > > > > The other area is that i have trouble making connections that
> > > > > really
> > > > foster
> > > > > into more then just sunday morning fellowship.
> > > > > I have tried to find hiking partners and finding other things.
> > > > > i reached out to couple of the other churches for walking
> > > > > buddies and
> > > > stuff
> > > > > like that and just other people whom perhaps i can really make
> > > > > connection with from a church to do coffee with or do other
> > > > > things with and I don't know they are afraid of the fact i am
> > > > > blind I don't
> > > know what it is.
> > > > > I just been really looking for answers as to what to do with
> > > > > myself like
> > > > i
> > > > > have few people in building i connect with but they have
> > > > > disabilities
> > > > that
> > > > > keep them from doing walks with me or  other adventures I would
> > > > > like to
> > > > be
> > > > > able to go on and stuff like that.
> > > > >
> > > > > I struggle making connection through or  church or community
> > > > > like I said even a buddy of mine has tried to talk to t others
> > > > > about others about walking with me or what not but there is
> > > > > great hazatation and never had
> > > > any
> > > > > luck weather it is walking or ki hiking and stuff like that.  or
> > > > > even people to really connect with.
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