[gui-talk] Response to "The Hands That Feed"

[Mike Freeman]

Ray:

I'm surprised that you would advocate such mealy-mouthed wording as
"expressed concern". It was more than that to me -- I was somewhere between
deeply disappointed and royally ticked off. I'd say "deeply disappointed"
was restrained. And, as I said in an earlier post, one is inclined to push
when the other side shows a willingness to listen.

Mike


-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2012 8:54 AM
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Subject: Re: [gui-talk] Response to "The Hands That Feed"

Here, Curtis, I half agree.  Frustration, oh yes, I would agree with that.
Deep disappointment, sorry, I cannot go that far with it.  Just concerned
would have done better.  But why?  Frankly, I should have liked to see the
resolution more openly praise Apple for what it has done; but, express
concern at the lack of standards for accessibility.  After all, the Google
resolution did exactly that; and, we all know what they have recently done
to the search preferences page, (truly an inaccessible disaster now.),
expressing concern over the lack of accessibility standards coupled with an
open invitation to Apple to work  closely with the NFB and a strong public
urging to do so  would have gone down better.

I should like to know your views, if any, of the final points I raised.  The
mistakes in the June 2009 Monitor article were, I believe, honest mistakes;
and, it was right for Apple users to come down on the NFB for making them;
but, and here's the real thing of it.  The NFB put right those honest
mistakes in December and did right to do so; yet, no credit from Apple
users. well, from me of course, and that was about it.  I'm not trying to
earn points here, but, I did defend the NFB on the list when I saw that it
was getting ugly.  To me, if you make a mistake, you should be called out
for it; but, when you put it right, your action should be just as openly
acknowedlged.  This was not done.  
Sincerely,
The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!

Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!

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On Feb 26, 2012, at 9:50 AM, Curtis Chong wrote:

> Dear Ray:
> 
> "With respect to the resolution which the NFB passed at the 2011
convention,
> I must strongly disagree; not so much with what your resolution intended
to
> do; but rather, with the condemn and deplore language you employed."
> 
> As I tried to make clear in my post, the resolution that was passed at the
> NFB 2011 convention did not say 'condemn and deplore" at all.  Yes, there
> was a resolution which I championed which did incorporate "condemn and
> deplore" language, but (as others have pointed out) that resolution did
> fail.  The membership exercised its proper right to determine the course
of
> a resolution.
> 
> So, having put that aside, do you believe that the resolution that did
pass
> was too strongly worded?  I understand you agree with the intent.  I am
> still curious as to your thoughts about the words "frustration" and "deep
> disappointment."
> 
> Thank you, Ray.
> 
> Sincerely,
> 
> Curtis Chong
> 
> 
> 
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