[gui-talk] Fwd: Federal Circuit Court affirmed the US PatentOffice Decision invalidating Freedom Scientific's patent and eliminating their claims against GW Micro
Jude DaShiell
jdashiel at shellworld.net
Thu Nov 1 02:07:48 UTC 2012
Probably an Apple with Tiger was sitting real close to that mouse at first
and made it clear to the mouse what would happen if it tried getting into
the Apple. The mouse being scared then likely escaped into the PC to
survive the mouse temporarily. :->On Wed, 31 Oct 2012, Steve Jacobson
wrote:
> I'm sure the mouse was after all the bugs.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Steve Jacobson
>
> On Wed, 31 Oct 2012 13:06:56 -0400, Gerald Levy wrote:
>
>
> >Maybe that's where the cheese is. LOL!
>
> >Gerald
>
>
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "enes" <enes.saribas at gmail.com>
> >To: "Discussion of the Graphical User Interface, GUI Talk Mailing List"
> ><gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
> >Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2012 12:42 PM
> >Subject: Re: [gui-talk] Fwd: Federal Circuit Court affirmed the US
> >PatentOffice Decision invalidating Freedom Scientific's patent and
> >eliminating their claims against GW Micro
>
>
> >> rofl!
> >> I wunder how that mouse got into that computer?
> >>
> >> --------------------------------------------------
> >> From: "Jude DaShiell" <jdashiel at shellworld.net>
> >> Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2012 10:46 AM
> >> To: "Discussion of the Graphical User Interface,GUI Talk Mailing List"
> >> <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
> >> Subject: Re: [gui-talk] Fwd: Federal Circuit Court affirmed the US
> >> PatentOffice Decision invalidating Freedom Scientific's patent and
> >> eliminating their claims against GW Micro
> >>
> >>> How many times over those past 10 years did you clear the dust out of
> >>> the computer with compressed air? That may be why it was running as
> >>> slowly as it was before you disposed of it. That or the malware it
> >>> picked up. One of the dell computers I opened a few weeks ago smelled
> >>> funny. Turns out when I flipped it to drop any loose parts onto the
> >>> workbench a dead mouse fell out. So tell me about extreme please!
> >>>
> >>> On Tue, 30 Oct 2012, Loy wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> That is a little extreme. I had a dell computer for 10 years that I used
> >>>> 8
> >>>> hours a day every day and it is still running today, I gave it away to
> >>>> get a
> >>>> faster one.
> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jude DaShiell"
> >>>> <jdashiel at shellworld.net>
> >>>> To: "Discussion of the Graphical User Interface,GUI Talk Mailing List"
> >>>> <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
> >>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2012 8:10 PM
> >>>> Subject: Re: [gui-talk] Fwd: Federal Circuit Court affirmed the US
> >>>> PatentOffice Decision invalidating Freedom Scientific's patent and
> >>>> eliminating
> >>>> their claims against GW Micro
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> > Usually pc's are trash and because they're cheap that's the only
> >>>> > reason
> >>>> > business users adopted them. The corporates more money to pay their
> >>>> > executives. As a case in point. I have been taking apart PC's for
> >>>> > smartco since 2006 regularly each week on most weeks except for
> >>>> > holidays. I can take apart a dell and by take apart I mean no metal
> >>>> > is
> >>>> > left in contact with plastic in a little under a half hour. In order
> >>>> > for me to take apart a Mac G4 computer it takes me 2 hours if I'm
> >>>> > lucky.
> >>>> > The experience at smartco is when someone in a family no longer has
> >>>> > use
> >>>> > for a mac, they pass it along to their heirs in their will. Pc's on
> >>>> > the
> >>>> > other hand don't last long enough to be passed along to heirs though.
> >>>> > Having been under the hood on one or two computers since 2006 I lost
> >>>> > track
> >>>> > of the count long ago I could write some other things too about rich
> >>>> > people and why won't their computers work after spending all that
> >>>> > money
> >>>> > but though they'd be true, they'd also be highly disrespectful of the
> >>>> > rich
> >>>> > so I'll refrain.On Tue, 30 Oct 2012, Mike Arrigo wrote:
> >>>> >
> >>>> > > As far as whether the expensive screen readers have better
> >>>> > > application
> >>>> > > support, it depends on what apps you are using. For scanning, that's
> >>>> > > easy,
> >>>> > > docuscan plus has a version for the mac.
> >>>> > > On Oct 30, 2012, at 3:24 PM, Gerald Levy wrote:
> >>>> > >
> >>>> > > >
> >>>> > > > Again, I would challenge your assertion that a Mac can do things
> >>>> > > > better
> >>>> > > > than a Windows computer. For instance, there is no Mac text to
> >>>> > > > speech
> >>>> > > > app that is remotely comparable to Open Book or Kurzweil 1000.
> >>>> > > > And if
> >>>> > > > Macs are so superior to Windows machines, why haven't they been
> >>>> > > > embraced
> >>>> > > > by business users and government agencies? You still get what you
> >>>> > > > pay
> >>>> > > > for. While the Mac with Voice Over and the free and low cost
> >>>> > > > commercial
> >>>> > > > screen readers can do many things well, they nevertheless lack the
> >>>> > > > panaply of features and compatibility with third-party programs
> >>>> > > > that the
> >>>> > > > more expensive commercial screen readers offer.
> >>>> > > >
> >>>> > > > Gerald
> >>>> > > >
> >>>> > > >
> >>>> > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Arrigo"
> >>>> > > > <n0oxy at charter.net>
> >>>> > > > To: <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
> >>>> > > > Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2012 2:40 PM
> >>>> > > > Subject: Re: [gui-talk] Fwd: Federal Circuit Court affirmed the US
> >>>> > > > PatentOffice Decision invalidating Freedom Scientific's patent and
> >>>> > > > eliminating their claims against GW Micro
> >>>> > > >
> >>>> > > >
> >>>> > > > > Yes, the mac is my primary computing platform for home use. Some
> >>>> > > > > may
> >>>> > > > > disagree with me here, and that's fine, but, I think the days of
> >>>> > > > > the
> >>>> > > > > expensive screen reader are numbered anyway. We now have system
> >>>> > > > > access
> >>>> > > > > for windows at a much cheaper price, and NVDA is free and
> >>>> > > > > continues to
> >>>> > > > > get better and better. We also have voiceover on the mac which
> >>>> > > > > does
> >>>> > > > > things as good as the windows screen readers and in some cases
> >>>> > > > > better.
> >>>> > > > > Microsoft has also included a much better version of narrator in
> >>>> > > > > Windows 8. The reasons for purchasing the expensive screen
> >>>> > > > > readers are
> >>>> > > > > simply disappearing.
> >>>> > > > > I think as time goes by, more and more computing will take place
> >>>> > > > > on
> >>>> > > > > mobile devices such as smart phones and tablets. Many of these
> >>>> > > > > provide
> >>>> > > > > accessibility out of the box. I'm not saying the desktop or
> >>>> > > > > laptop
> >>>> > > > > computer will be gone next year, but I do think over the next
> >>>> > > > > few
> >>>> > > > > years we will start to see that trend take place.
> >>>> > > > > Original message:
> >>>> > > > > > I could not agree more Mike! Spot on. IN fact, it was things
> >>>> > > > > > such
> >>>> > > > > > as this along with your Mac recordings that caused me to
> >>>> > > > > > switch to
> >>>> > > > > > my Mac back in November of 2009. Justice has truly been
> >>>> > > > > > served.
> >>>> > > > >
> >>>> > > > >
> >>>> > > > > > Sincerely,
> >>>> > > > > > The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
> >>>> > > > >
> >>>> > > > > > Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
> >>>> > > > >
> >>>> > > > > > Skype name:
> >>>> > > > > > barefootedray
> >>>> > > > >
> >>>> > > > > > On Oct 30, 2012, at 12:46 PM, Mike Arrigo <n0oxy at charter.net>
> >>>> > > > > > wrote:
> >>>> > > > >
> >>>> > > > > > > That was definitely a long time coming. Freedom science
> >>>> > > > > > > fiction
> >>>> > > > > > > got what was coming to them, that law suit never should have
> >>>> > > > > > > been
> >>>> > > > > > > filed in the first place. First they sued Serotek and then
> >>>> > > > > > > GW-micro. This is one reason among others why I will never
> >>>> > > > > > > purchase or recommend Freedom Scientific products,
> >>>> > > > > > > especially when
> >>>> > > > > > > their are much better products available. A part of me
> >>>> > > > > > > thinks that
> >>>> > > > > > > GW-Micro should counter sue to recover the costs associated
> >>>> > > > > > > with
> >>>> > > > > > > this, but I guess in a way that would make them no better.
> >>>> > > > > > > At
> >>>> > > > > > > least Justice was served. The bible has something very good
> >>>> > > > > > > to say
> >>>> > > > > > > about things like this. I'm paraphrasing here, but,
> >>>> > > > > > > basically it
> >>>> > > > > > > says that those who try to ensnare and trap others by
> >>>> > > > > > > digging a
> >>>> > > > > > > hole will fall in to it themselves. I'd say that's what
> >>>> > > > > > > happened
> >>>> > > > > > > here.
> >>>> > > > > > > Original message:
> >>>> > > > > > > > The following message appeared on several of GW Micro's
> >>>> > > > > > > > public
> >>>> > > > > > > > lists yesterday. Reference is made to a large MP3 file
> >>>> > > > > > > > that can
> >>>> > > > > > > > be
> >>>> > > > > > > > downloaded to hear the arguments. Some had trouble
> >>>> > > > > > > > finding the
> >>>> > > > > > > > file from the URL provided, so later this URL was provided
> >>>> > > > > > > > to
> >>>> > > > > > > > get
> >>>> > > > > > > > more closely to the MP3 file:
> >>>> > > > >
> >>>> > > > > > > > http://oralarguments.cafc.uscourts.gov/default.aspx?fl=2012-1145.mp3
> >>>> > > > >
> >>>> > > > > > > > ==================BEGIN FORWARDED
> >>>> > > > > > > > MESSAGE==================
> >>>> > > > >
> >>>> > > > > > > > From: gw-news at gwmicro.com [mailto:gw-news at gwmicro.com]
> >>>> > > > > > > > Sent: Monday, October 29, 2012 9:46 AM
> >>>> > > > > > > > To: gw-news at gwmicro.com
> >>>> > > > > > > > Subject: Federal Circuit Court affirmed the US Patent
> >>>> > > > > > > > Office
> >>>> > > > > > > > Decision invalidating Freedom Scientific's patent and
> >>>> > > > > > > > eliminating
> >>>> > > > > > > > their claims against GW Micro
> >>>> > > > >
> >>>> > > > > > > > In July of 2008 on my first day back in the office after
> >>>> > > > > > > > the
> >>>> > > > > > > > Sight Village conference, someone entered our office and
> >>>> > > > > > > > handed
> >>>> > > > > > > > me a
> >>>> > > > > > > > summons and notification of a lawsuit brought on by
> >>>> > > > > > > > Freedom
> >>>> > > > > > > > Scientific against GW Micro. They received a patent for
> >>>> > > > > > > > certain
> >>>> > > > > > > > screen reader features and our response was that
> >>>> > > > > > > > Window-Eyes had
> >>>> > > > > > > > those same basic features several years prior to their
> >>>> > > > > > > > patent.
> >>>> > > > > > > > This was the beginning of a long waste of time and money,
> >>>> > > > > > > > which
> >>>> > > > > > > > finally came to a close last week. GW Micro is
> >>>> > > > > > > > vindicated -
> >>>> > > > > > > > it's
> >>>> > > > > > > > over - the court decided in our favor!
> >>>> > > > >
> >>>> > > > > > > > I won't provide all the details but in general, the Patent
> >>>> > > > > > > > Office reexamined their patent at our request and found it
> >>>> > > > > > > > to be
> >>>> > > > > > > > invalid in view of prior art. Both the patent examiner
> >>>> > > > > > > > and the
> >>>> > > > > > > > Board of Appeals in the Patent Office came to the same
> >>>> > > > > > > > conclusion
> >>>> > > > > > > > - the patent is invalid. Despite those results, they
> >>>> > > > > > > > asked for
> >>>> > > > > > > > a federal court to review the decision and again they came
> >>>> > > > > > > > to
> >>>> > > > > > > > the
> >>>> > > > > > > > same conclusion as everyone else. You may listen to this
> >>>> > > > > > > > final
> >>>> > > > > > > > argument by going to
> >>>> > > > > > > > http://www.cafc.uscourts.gov/oral-argument-
> >>>> > > > > > > > recordings/search/audio.html search for Appeal 2012-1145,
> >>>> > > > > > > > listen
> >>>> > > > > > > > to the MP3 file and you will easily come to the same
> >>>> > > > > > > > conclusion
> >>>> > > > > > > > as everyone else. Their original patent should not have
> >>>> > > > > > > > been
> >>>> > > > > > > > granted in the first place and without the patent, there
> >>>> > > > > > > > are no
> >>>> > > > > > > > grounds for their lawsuit against GW Micro. If you decide
> >>>> > > > > > > > to
> >>>> > > > > > > > listen to that file, you should be aware that it is a
> >>>> > > > > > > > large
> >>>> > > > > > > > file,
> >>>> > > > > > > > which will take some time to download.
> >>>> > > > >
> >>>> > > > > > > > We want to thank you all for the many words of
> >>>> > > > > > > > encouragement,
> >>>> > > > > > > > support and prayers that we've received over these past 4
> >>>> > > > > > > > years.
> >>>> > > > > > > > Not one person ever suggested that we should do anything
> >>>> > > > > > > > other
> >>>> > > > > > > > than fight and defend ourselves. However, the sad fact is
> >>>> > > > > > > > that
> >>>> > > > > > > > actions like this hurt all of us. This caused a waste of
> >>>> > > > > > > > dollars and time for both our companies, which could have
> >>>> > > > > > > > been
> >>>> > > > > > > > spent
> >>>> > > > > > > > improving existing products and developing new ones.
> >>>> > > > >
> >>>> > > > > > > > GW Micro chooses to take the path of creating new
> >>>> > > > > > > > products,
> >>>> > > > > > > > features and innovations and our recent release of our
> >>>> > > > > > > > Window-Eyes 8
> >>>> > > > > > > > public beta illustrates that perfectly. If you haven't
> >>>> > > > > > > > done so
> >>>> > > > > > > > already, I hope you will give it a try. Simply doing that
> >>>> > > > > > > > will
> >>>> > > > > > > > show your support of GW Micro. We promise to continue to
> >>>> > > > > > > > work
> >>>> > > > > > > > hard and conduct business in an honest and proper fashion.
> >>>> > > > > > > > The
> >>>> > > > > > > > reputation of GW Micro will never be litigation instead of
> >>>> > > > > > > > innovation.
> >>>> > > > >
> >>>> > > > > > > > ===================END FORWARDED
> >>>> > > > > > > > MESSAGE===================
> >>>> > > > >
> >>>> > > > >
> >>>> > > > >
> >>>> > > > >
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> >>>> > Adobe fiend for failing to Flash
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