[gui-talk] Fwd: Federal Circuit Court affirmed the US PatentOffice Decision invalidating Freedom Scientific's patent and eliminating their claims against GW Micro

Thu Nov 1 02:12:28 UTC 2012

Wireless and boney.On Wed, 31 Oct 2012, Gerald Levy wrote:

> 
> Was the mouse you found inside your Dell computer a wireless mouse?  Sorry, I
> just couldn't resist.
> 
> Gerald
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jude DaShiell" <jdashiel at shellworld.net>
> To: "Discussion of the Graphical User Interface, GUI Talk Mailing List"
> <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2012 4:46 AM
> Subject: Re: [gui-talk] Fwd: Federal Circuit Court affirmed the US
> PatentOffice Decision invalidating Freedom Scientific's patent and eliminating
> their claims against GW Micro
> 
> 
> > How many times over those past 10 years did you clear the dust out of
> > the computer with compressed air?  That may be why it was running as
> > slowly as it was before you disposed of it.  That or the malware it
> > picked up.  One of the dell computers I opened a few weeks ago smelled
> > funny.  Turns out when I flipped it to drop any loose parts onto the
> > workbench a dead mouse fell out.  So tell me about extreme please!
> >
> > On Tue, 30 Oct 2012, Loy wrote:
> >
> > > That is a little extreme. I had a dell computer for 10 years that I used 8
> > > hours a day every day and it is still running today, I gave it away to get
> > > a
> > > faster one.
> > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jude DaShiell"
> > > <jdashiel at shellworld.net>
> > > To: "Discussion of the Graphical User Interface,GUI Talk Mailing List"
> > > <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2012 8:10 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [gui-talk] Fwd: Federal Circuit Court affirmed the US
> > > PatentOffice Decision invalidating Freedom Scientific's patent and
> > > eliminating
> > > their claims against GW Micro
> > >
> > >
> > > > Usually pc's are trash and because they're cheap that's the only reason
> > > > business users adopted them.  The corporates more money to pay their
> > > > executives.  As a case in point.  I have been taking apart PC's for
> > > > smartco since 2006 regularly each week on most weeks except for
> > > > holidays.  I can take apart a dell and by take apart I mean no metal is
> > > > left in contact with plastic in a little under a half hour.  In order
> > > > for me to take apart a Mac G4 computer it takes me 2 hours if I'm lucky.
> > > > The experience at smartco is when someone in a family no longer has use
> > > > for a mac, they pass it along to their heirs in their will.  Pc's on the
> > > > other hand don't last long enough to be passed along to heirs though.
> > > > Having been under the hood on one or two computers since 2006 I lost
> > > > track
> > > > of the count long ago I could write some other things too about rich
> > > > people and why won't their computers work after spending all that money
> > > > but though they'd be true, they'd also be highly disrespectful of the
> > > > rich
> > > > so I'll refrain.On Tue, 30 Oct 2012, Mike Arrigo wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > As far as whether the expensive screen readers have better application
> > > > > support, it depends on what apps you are using. For scanning, that's
> > > > > easy,
> > > > > docuscan plus has a version for the mac.
> > > > > On Oct 30, 2012, at 3:24 PM, Gerald Levy wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Again, I would challenge your assertion that a Mac can do things
> > > > > > better
> > > > > > than a Windows computer.  For instance, there is no Mac text to
> > > > > > speech
> > > > > > app that is remotely comparable to Open Book or Kurzweil 1000.  And
> > > > > > if
> > > > > > Macs are so superior to Windows machines, why haven't they been
> > > > > > embraced
> > > > > > by business users and government agencies?  You still get what you
> > > > > > pay
> > > > > > for.  While the Mac with Voice Over and the free and low cost
> > > > > > commercial
> > > > > > screen readers can do many things well, they nevertheless lack the
> > > > > > panaply of features and compatibility with third-party programs that
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > more expensive commercial screen readers offer.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Gerald
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Arrigo" <n0oxy at charter.net>
> > > > > > To: <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
> > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2012 2:40 PM
> > > > > > Subject: Re: [gui-talk] Fwd: Federal Circuit Court affirmed the US
> > > > > > PatentOffice Decision invalidating Freedom Scientific's patent and
> > > > > > eliminating their claims against GW Micro
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Yes, the mac is my primary computing platform for home use. Some
> > > > > > > may
> > > > > > > disagree with me here, and that's fine, but, I think the days of
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > expensive screen reader are numbered anyway. We now have system
> > > > > > > access
> > > > > > > for windows at a much cheaper price, and NVDA is free and
> > > > > > > continues to
> > > > > > > get better and better. We also have voiceover on the mac which
> > > > > > > does
> > > > > > > things as good as the windows screen readers and in some cases
> > > > > > > better.
> > > > > > > Microsoft has also included a much better version of narrator in
> > > > > > > Windows 8. The reasons for purchasing the expensive screen readers
> > > > > > > are
> > > > > > > simply disappearing.
> > > > > > > I think as time goes by, more and more computing will take place
> > > > > > > on
> > > > > > > mobile devices such as smart phones and tablets. Many of these
> > > > > > > provide
> > > > > > > accessibility out of the box. I'm not saying the desktop or laptop
> > > > > > > computer will be gone next year, but I do think over the next few
> > > > > > > years we will start to see that trend take place.
> > > > > > > Original message:
> > > > > > > > I could not agree more Mike!  Spot on.  IN fact, it was things
> > > > > > > > such
> > > > > > > > as this along with your Mac recordings that caused me to switch
> > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > my Mac back in November of 2009.  Justice has truly been served.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Sincerely,
> > > > > > > > The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Skype name:
> > > > > > > > barefootedray
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On Oct 30, 2012, at 12:46 PM, Mike Arrigo <n0oxy at charter.net>
> > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > That was definitely a long time coming. Freedom science
> > > > > > > > > fiction
> > > > > > > > > got what was coming to them, that law suit never should have
> > > > > > > > > been
> > > > > > > > > filed in the first place. First they sued Serotek and then
> > > > > > > > > GW-micro. This is one reason among others why I will never
> > > > > > > > > purchase or recommend Freedom Scientific products, especially
> > > > > > > > > when
> > > > > > > > > their are much better products available. A part of me thinks
> > > > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > GW-Micro should counter sue to recover the costs associated
> > > > > > > > > with
> > > > > > > > > this, but I guess in a way that would make them no better. At
> > > > > > > > > least Justice was served. The bible has something very good to
> > > > > > > > > say
> > > > > > > > > about things like this. I'm paraphrasing here, but, basically
> > > > > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > > says that those who try to ensnare and trap others by digging
> > > > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > hole will fall in to it themselves. I'd say that's what
> > > > > > > > > happened
> > > > > > > > > here.
> > > > > > > > > Original message:
> > > > > > > > > > The following message appeared on several of GW Micro's
> > > > > > > > > > public
> > > > > > > > > > lists yesterday.  Reference is made to a large MP3 file that
> > > > > > > > > > can
> > > > > > > > > > be
> > > > > > > > > > downloaded to hear the arguments.  Some had trouble finding
> > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > file from the URL provided, so later this URL was provided
> > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > get
> > > > > > > > > > more closely to the MP3 file:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > http://oralarguments.cafc.uscourts.gov/default.aspx?fl=2012-1145.mp3
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > ==================BEGIN FORWARDED MESSAGE==================
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > From: gw-news at gwmicro.com [mailto:gw-news at gwmicro.com]
> > > > > > > > > > Sent: Monday, October 29, 2012 9:46 AM
> > > > > > > > > > To: gw-news at gwmicro.com
> > > > > > > > > > Subject: Federal Circuit Court affirmed the US Patent Office
> > > > > > > > > > Decision invalidating Freedom Scientific's patent and
> > > > > > > > > > eliminating
> > > > > > > > > > their claims against GW Micro
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > In July of 2008 on my first day back in the office after the
> > > > > > > > > > Sight Village conference, someone entered our office and
> > > > > > > > > > handed
> > > > > > > > > > me a
> > > > > > > > > > summons and notification of a lawsuit brought on by Freedom
> > > > > > > > > > Scientific against GW Micro.  They received a patent for
> > > > > > > > > > certain
> > > > > > > > > > screen reader features and our response was that Window-Eyes
> > > > > > > > > > had
> > > > > > > > > > those same basic features several years prior to their
> > > > > > > > > > patent.
> > > > > > > > > > This was the beginning of a long waste of time and money,
> > > > > > > > > > which
> > > > > > > > > > finally came to a close last week.  GW Micro is vindicated -
> > > > > > > > > > it's
> > > > > > > > > > over - the court decided in our favor!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > I won't provide all the details but in general, the Patent
> > > > > > > > > > Office reexamined their patent at our request and found it
> > > > > > > > > > to be
> > > > > > > > > > invalid in view of prior art.  Both the patent examiner and
> > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > Board of Appeals in the Patent Office came to the same
> > > > > > > > > > conclusion
> > > > > > > > > > - the patent is invalid.  Despite those results, they asked
> > > > > > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > > > a federal court to review the decision and again they came
> > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > same conclusion as everyone else.  You may listen to this
> > > > > > > > > > final
> > > > > > > > > > argument by going to
> > > > > > > > > > http://www.cafc.uscourts.gov/oral-argument-
> > > > > > > > > > recordings/search/audio.html search for Appeal 2012-1145,
> > > > > > > > > > listen
> > > > > > > > > > to the MP3 file and you will easily come to the same
> > > > > > > > > > conclusion
> > > > > > > > > > as everyone else.  Their original patent should not have
> > > > > > > > > > been
> > > > > > > > > > granted in the first place and without the patent, there are
> > > > > > > > > > no
> > > > > > > > > > grounds for their lawsuit against GW Micro.  If you decide
> > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > listen to that file, you should be aware that it is a large
> > > > > > > > > > file,
> > > > > > > > > > which will take some time to download.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > We want to thank you all for the many words of
> > > > > > > > > > encouragement,
> > > > > > > > > > support and prayers that we've received over these past 4
> > > > > > > > > > years.
> > > > > > > > > > Not one person ever suggested that we should do anything
> > > > > > > > > > other
> > > > > > > > > > than fight and defend ourselves.  However, the sad fact is
> > > > > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > > actions like this hurt all of us.  This caused a waste of
> > > > > > > > > > dollars and time for both our companies, which could have
> > > > > > > > > > been
> > > > > > > > > > spent
> > > > > > > > > > improving existing products and developing new ones.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > GW Micro chooses to take the path of creating new products,
> > > > > > > > > > features and innovations and our recent release of our
> > > > > > > > > > Window-Eyes 8
> > > > > > > > > > public beta illustrates that perfectly.  If you haven't done
> > > > > > > > > > so
> > > > > > > > > > already, I hope you will give it a try.  Simply doing that
> > > > > > > > > > will
> > > > > > > > > > show your support of GW Micro.  We promise to continue to
> > > > > > > > > > work
> > > > > > > > > > hard and conduct business in an honest and proper fashion.
> > > > > > > > > > The
> > > > > > > > > > reputation of GW Micro will never be litigation instead of
> > > > > > > > > > innovation.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > ===================END FORWARDED MESSAGE===================
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
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