[gui-talk] when will folks start raising hell regardingWindows Phone 8?

Thu Nov 29 16:57:07 UTC 2012

I don't have any inside knowledge, but can't really classify Apple as "small" in any sense that would meet the common sense test compared with companies with like a hundred employees.  I believe the scope of IOS and Windows Phone are equivalent--how many coders they use to get the work done is just their matter of efficiency--but neither development effort could be conceived of as "small".

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The interesting thing is that in the Apple world, it is the small developers that are doing most of the work as far as making software accessible.

Andy

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Folks:
At work employees don't always get a choice.  Windows Phone may be the most effective in some IT environments, so would be used, and would be often likely to be used exclusively.  Besides, if they can skip accessibility in phones, why not desktop operating systems?  If consistent advocacy is missing, inconsistent results will continue, and probably increase.  If large corporations can't do accessibility, how can we expect those with fewer resources to deliver it also?

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From: gui-talk [mailto:gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mike Arrigo
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That's what I think too. If Microsoft is unwilling to make their smart phone platform accessible, there are some good alternatives. Of course, they still should make it accessible, but we can definitely vote with where we spend our money when it comes to phones.
On Nov 28, 2012, at 10:09 PM, Jude DaShiell <jdashiel at shellworld.net>
wrote:

> With Apple and Android available, why would anyone need Microsoft?On 
> Wed,
> 28 Nov 2012, Hoffman, Allen wrote:
> 
>> Lets be clear:
>> Windows 8 for personal computers is not that big a deal in
accessibility terms and can work fine.  Windows 8 RT for some devices can be problematic but is a small subset of windows.  Windows 8 Phone is the key challenge.
>> 
>> 
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>> Gerald Levy
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2012 8:19 AM
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>> Subject: Re: [gui-talk] when will folks start raising hell regarding
Windows Phone 8?
>> 
>> 
>> Actually, this backwards step in terms of accessibility should have
been raised a year ago when Windows 8 was still in beta testing.
Everyone knew that it was going to be one big mess, but nobody at the so-called "advocacy" 
>> organizations gave it much thought.  Now that the final product is
here and Windows 7 computers are rapidly vanishing from store shelves, it is probably too late to do anything.  MS seems to be an 800 pound gorilla that nobody can stop.  But based on preliminary sales figures, Windows 8 could be a bigger disaster for MS than Vista.  And last week, Steve Sinofsky, the MS design executive responsible for launching Vista,
Windows7 and Windows 8 abruptly left the company.  Some reports claim that he resigned before the you know what over Win 8 hits the fan.
Other reports assert that he was forced to resign because of personality clashes with MS CEO Steve Dallmer. 
>> In any case, Win 8 could well turn out to be the Edsel of operating
systems. 
>> All we can do is hope that it is such a colossal commercial flop that
MS will be forced to back peddle and release a more blind friendly OS with Windows 9.
>> 
>> Gerald
>> 
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>> Subject: [gui-talk] when will folks start raising hell regarding
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>> 
>>> Given the terrible accessibility support in the windows Phone 8 
>>> release, not the first time for Microsoft, when will we, as a 
>>> community feel its time to raise some real hell over this continuing

>>> lack of corporate responsibility?  Seems we focus a lot on Kindle, 
>>> and rightly so, but Microsoft should not be let off the hook on this

>>> stuff.  In addition, when would we as a community think its time to 
>>> raise hell over getting authoring tools which actually ensure 
>>> accessibility of content produced rather than impose nearly 
>>> impossible additional work on authors?  I'm sure battles must be 
>>> picked, but am unclear on the strategy for picking them of late.
>>> 
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