[gui-talk] when will folks start raising hell regarding Windows Phone 8?

[Mike Freeman]

We also should remember that to make real real headway, we need a leverage point. We must remember that Apple wanted to sell to Massachussetts schools and a possible halt of sales got their attention.

Mike Freeman

----- Original Message -----
From: Steve Jacobson <steve.jacobson at visi.com>
To: "Discussion of the Graphical User Interface, GUI Talk Mailing List" gui-talk at nfbnet.org
Date: Thursday, November 29, 2012 18:21
Subject: Re: [gui-talk] when will folks start raising hell regarding Windows Phone 8?

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>
> Certainly we need to keep the heat on Microsoft regarding the accessibility of Windows 8.  For one thing, we just don't know how the market will change in a year.  If Microsoft is successful, Windows 8 could 
> be making a dent in at least Android's sales.  One reason more has not been said is that there is some reason to believe that accessibility will be coming in Windows 8 for phones.  It doesn't have the priority that 
> most of us would like, but we don't think that it has been complegely forgotten has been the case with some other current products.
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Steve Jacobson
> 
> On Wed, 28 Nov 2012 23:09:50 com0500 (EST), Jude DaShiell wrote:
> 
> >With Apple and Android available, why would anyone need Microsoft"On Wed, 
> >28 Nov 2012, Hoffman, Allen wrote:
> 
> >> Lets be clear:
> >> Windows 8 for personal computers is not that big a deal in accessibility terms and can work fine.  Windows 8 RT for some devices can be problematic but is a small subset of windows.  Windows 8 Phone is 
> the key challenge.
> >> 
> >> 
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: gui-talk [mailto:gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Gerald Levy
> >> Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2012 8:19 AM
> >> To: Discussion of the Graphical User Interface, GUI Talk Mailing List
> >> Subject: Re: [gui-talk] when will folks start raising hell regarding Windows Phone 8?
> >> 
> >> 
> >> Actually, this backwards step in terms of accessibility should have been raised a year ago when Windows 8 was still in beta testing.  Everyone knew that it was going to be one big mess, but nobody at the 
> so-called "advocacy" 
> >> organizations gave it much thought.  Now that the final product is here and Windows 7 computers are rapidly vanishing from store shelves, it is probably too late to do anything.  MS seems to be an 800 
> pound gorilla that nobody can stop.  But based on preliminary sales figures, Windows 8 could be a bigger disaster for MS than Vista.  And last week, Steve Sinofsky, the MS design executive responsible for 
> launching Vista, Windows7 and Windows 8 abruptly left the company.  Some reports claim that he resigned before the you know what over Win 8 hits the fan.  Other reports assert that he was forced to resign 
> because of personality clashes with MS CEO Steve Dallmer. 
> >> In any case, Win 8 could well turn out to be the Edsel of operating systems. 
> >> All we can do is hope that it is such a colossal commercial flop that MS will be forced to back peddle and release a more blind friendly OS with Windows 9.
> >> 
> >> Gerald
> >> 
> >> 
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Hoffman, Allen" <Allen.Hoffman at HQ.DHS.GOV>
> >> To: "Discussion of the Graphical User Interface, GUI Talk Mailing List" 
> >> <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
> >> Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2012 7:56 AM
> >> Subject: [gui-talk] when will folks start raising hell regarding Windows Phone 8?
> >> 
> >> 
> >> > Given the terrible accessibility support in the windows Phone 8 
> >> > release, not the first time for Microsoft, when will we, as a 
> >> > community feel its time to raise some real hell over this continuing 
> >> > lack of corporate responsibility?  Seems we focus a lot on Kindle, and 
> >> > rightly so, but Microsoft should not be let off the hook on this 
> >> > stuff.  In addition, when would we as a community think its time to 
> >> > raise hell over getting authoring tools which actually ensure 
> >> > accessibility of content produced rather than impose nearly impossible 
> >> > additional work on authors?  I'm sure battles must be picked, but am 
> >> > unclear on the strategy for picking them of late.
> >> >
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