[gui-talk] NV Access Announces Release of NVDA 2014.1

Thu Mar 27 23:46:43 UTC 2014

Hi Allen,

Thank you for making the features list.

I'm a JAWS user and I think it's a wonderful software despite its high 
price.

Sorry I have to disagree with you in one point:
I don't think that JAWS has great multi-lingual support.  It does have good 
synthetic voices for many languages and the JAWS dialogue interfaces, JAWS 
menues, etc are displayed in many languages.
However, when we speak of Asian languages, such as Japanese and Chinese, 
there are critical problems concerning multi-language use.
I'm using the Japanese localized version of JAWS and I can't use it for 
writing Chinese.  It seems that, to be able to use JAWS when I have to write 
Chinese or check a certain Chinese character when reading some text in 
Chinese, I have to buy and use the Chinese localized version of JAWS.  I 
don't know, of course, if the Japanese version and Chinese version can be 
installed together.  Also to pay like USD1000 or 1400 to add just another 
language support is not what I wont to do.
 I don't think it's difficult to add Chinese support to the Japanese version 
of JAWS or vice-versa.  Mainly the explanation dictionary for single 
characters and the explanation algorithm for characters when writing is 
needed.

On the other hand, NVDA has greatly multi-language support also for Asian 
languages.  I just need to change settings and restart nvda to be able to 
write or read the details of some text in Chinese.  The voice may not be a 
natural sounding one, but I can do what I need to do.
That's one of the main reasons why I think I'll leave JAWS when I buy my 
next pc.

Thanks.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Hoffman, Allen" <allen.hoffman at hq.dhs.gov>
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Subject: Re: [gui-talk] NV Access Announces Release of NVDA 2014.1

> All:
>
> Until someone puts up an actual features list and then completes answers 
> for at least NVDA, JAWS, and Windows Eyes this thread is a waste of text. 
> I am working on building such a list which can be maintained for use. 
> Each screen reader has a list of features, each has unique features to 
> offer for specific situations and end-user audiences, and each has a 
> different price point.  For my two cents worth NVDA does almost everything 
> I need at home, could do almost everything I need at work.  JAWS will meet 
> my needs at home well and at work mostly, but pricing is a challenge for 
> home use.  Windows eyes would meet my needs at home well and mostly at 
> work as well, but again pricing can be challenging if you are not using 
> the free version.  Windows eyes browser support could be improved, and 
> NVDA could improve some in Office.  I'd like to see someone have a working 
> touchscreen keyboard input solution for Windows 8 tablets soon as it kind 
> of defeats the tablet purpose to have to connect a keyboard.  JAWS has 
> great interoperability with Magic which is not the case with NVDA or 
> Windows Eyes.  JAWS has great multi-lingual support, but then I believe 
> NVDA  has great multilingual support as well.  I honestly don't know about 
> windows eyes multilingual support so can't comment.  NVDA, JAWS, and 
> Windows eyes all have solid scriptability, but JAWS scripters are more 
> commonly available, while the others can be driven by more common 
> programming languages.  So, when ou all post simplistic analysis of this 
> market you are not thinking about what the products offer, what their 
> end-user audiences do en masse, and aren't really being helpful for a wide 
> range of decision-makers.  I do believe the days of expensive screen 
> reading software for average daily use is coming to a close as the common 
> denominator of features can be had for free now on multiple platforms. 
> For costly solutions meeting specific challenging customer needs will have 
> to be the selling point--as it always has been.  In the starting days of 
> Windows screen readers "any" feature was helpful, but now it's a mature 
> market with only nitch features to fill the gaps.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: gui-talk [mailto:gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Rick 
> Alfaro
> Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2014 1:13 PM
> To: Discussion of the Graphical User Interface, GUI Talk Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [gui-talk] NV Access Announces Release of NVDA 2014.1
>
> I've heard that saying for sure but in this case it couldn't be further
> from the truth. I'm not a full time NVDA user but am familiar enough
> with it to see how good it is and how much work these folks have put
> into the product. You get what you pay for just doesn't apply in any way
> shape or form when it comes to NVDA. JMO.
>
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Rick alfaro
>
> On 3/27/2014 11:15 AM, Rob Kaiser wrote:
>> ALso, you have heard the saying "
>> You get what you pay for." I'm sure this software is good in some cases,
>> but in a work setting, there is nothing like jaws which hI have used
>> since 1998 or one of the other speech synthisizers.
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message----- From: Mike Freeman
>> Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2014 1:14 PM
>> To: 'Discussion of the Graphical User Interface,GUI Talk Mailing List'
>> Subject: Re: [gui-talk] NV Access Announces Release of NVDA 2014.1
>>
>> Beware! Free ain't free! If you want anything but Microsoft's voices for
>> WE,
>> you'll have to pay for them. And there's *no* human support provided. I 
>> do
>> not quarrel with this; I merely believe that we should call a spade a 
>> spade
>> and not guild the lilly. Moreover, while NVDA is getting better, it still
>> isn't there for serious work in job settings.
>>
>> How about let's all of us refrain from prognosticating about the future 
>> of
>> this or that screen-reader or firm and celebrate what we have.
>>
>> Mike Freeman
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: gui-talk [mailto:gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mike
>> Arrigo
>> Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2014 12:20 PM
>> To: gui-talk at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: Re: [gui-talk] NV Access Announces Release of NVDA 2014.1
>>
>> This screen reader keeps getting better and better. Really, there is 
>> little
>> if any reason to pay for an expensive screen reader anymore, between this
>> and the free version of window eyes that is available if you have office
>> 2010 or newer.
>> Original message:
>>
>>
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