[gui-talk] Fwd: New Windows 10 accessibility features will improve many lives - TechRepublic

Thu Feb 9 00:39:31 UTC 2017

How do you know that NFB won't do what you suggest, or that we 
haven't already done so.  If you are a member, write  resolution for 
the 2017 Convention, and push to get it adopted as official NFB policy.

Dave

At 06:12 PM 2/8/2017, you wrote:
>We should be able to perform at least the basic functions using narrator.
>
>But NFB will not put pressure  on Microsoft to make narrator more 
>disabled friendly
>It will harm Freedom Sscientific  s bottomline. I feel bad  saying 
>anything more than nthat
>Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Feb 8, 2017, at 6:07 PM, Jen via gui-talk <gui-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >
> > I personally can't stand Narrator. JAWS is still my favorite option.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: gui-talk [mailto:gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Doug Lee
> > via gui-talk
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 8, 2017 1:27 PM
> > To: wcmerritt at gmail.com; Discussion of the Graphical User Interface, GUI
> > Talk Mailing List <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
> > Cc: Doug Lee <dgl at dlee.org>
> > Subject: Re: [gui-talk] Fwd: New Windows 10 accessibility features will
> > improve many lives - TechRepublic
> >
> > For what it's worth, here's my up-to-date view on the idea of Narrator
> > becoming king of Windows screen readers:
> >
> > Quick background:
> >
> > Before Apple, we fought this because it would give Microsoft a monopoly on
> > our very ability to access most computers, when we had no clear evidence or
> > commitment that they would continuously prioritize their efforts to keep
> > that accessibility for us.
> >
> > Apple changed the rules a bit by doing what we opposed Microsoft doing.
> > Apple had no competition though, so there was no loss when they produced
> > VoiceOver; only gain.
> >
> > Microsoft is starting to show some focus on accessibility 
> support, though it
> > will take a while before I consider that a reasonable guarantee 
> for the long
> > run.
> >
> > My conclusions:
> >
> > We can't be mad by now at Microsoft for trying to do this, whether we
> > support it or not.
> >
> > JAWS and NVDA at least will continue to be important for years.
> >
> > If Microsoft knocks them out and we become dependent on Narrator or another
> > Microsoft offering, time will tell if this was a wise transition. Again,
> > Apple had no competition, but Microsoft always has.
> >
> > On Wed, Feb 08, 2017 at 12:00:30PM -0600, Wayne Merritt via gui-talk wrote:
> > Yes, Narrator is not as feature-rich as JAWS or Window-Eyes. However,
> > I have had JAWS crash or not read certain web elements on web pages,
> > where Narrator or NVDA read them just fine. I heard people say what
> > I'm about to say for the longest time and did not put any stock in it,
> > until it happened to me; for tech people and perhaps the average user
> > today, being able to use at least two screen readers works best. JAWS
> > is still my preferred reader, but from time to time I am in situations
> > where JAWS does not work as well as NVDA. I have also done some
> > accessibility testing, and found this to be especially true. Some
> > pages JAWS completely misses content, and NVDA is more accurate.
> >
> > Wayne
> >
> >> On 2/8/17, TaraPrakash via gui-talk <gui-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >> No matter what Will have to depend onjaws Windows eyes etc.  and NFB will
> >> not put pressure on Microsoft so that accessibility with an operating
> > system
> >> is sufficient and no third-party screen reader is needed
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >>> On Feb 8, 2017, at 11:43 AM, Gregory D. Rosenberg via gui-talk
> >>> <gui-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Good morning everyone,
> >>>
> >>> MS has added several improvement for their Narrator. Braille support and
> >>> mono audio are amongst the enhancements. This is a BETA release for those
> >>> that choose to receive Windows Updates for Windows 10 on the Windows
> >>> Insider Fast Track.
> > 
> http://www.techrepublic.com/article/new-windows-10-accessibility-features-wi
> > 
> ll-improve-many-lives/?ftag=TRE684d531&bhid=24278129322317615159007803282442
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Braille support in Narrator (beta). Now, when you have a USB- or
> >>> serial-based braille display attached to your PC you can use it with
> >>> Narrator.
> >>>
> >>> Mono audio option. Visually impaired users who use a screen reader with
> >>> headphones or earbuds can now enable a mono audio option in Ease of
> > Access
> >>> settings ???so the other ear is free to hear conversations and sounds
> > around
> >>> them.???
> >>>
> >>> Feedback Hub improvements. Microsoft is finally tackling the problem of
> >>> too much duplicate pieces of feedback by letting user combined them in
> >>> collections. Which can, collectively, be up-voted just like an individual
> >>> piece of feedback.
> >>>
> >>> Night light improvements. The new Night light feature gets another
> >>> improvement in this build, with the night light color temperature range
> >>> extended to a very red (1200 K) color.
> >>>
> >>> See:
> > 
> https://blogs.windows.com/windowsexperience/2017/02/01/announcing-windows-10
> > -insider-preview-build-15025-pc/#aoee4jFiqHPrCeoP.97
> > 
> <https://blogs.windows.com/windowsexperience/2017/02/01/announcing-windows-1> 
> 0-insider-preview-build-15025-pc/#aoee4jFiqHPrCeoP.97>
> >>> for details of Windows 10 build 15025.
> >>>
> >>>
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> >>>                   Gregory D. Rosenberg
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