[gui-talk] Fwd: New Windows 10 accessibility features will improve many lives - TechRepublic

Thu Feb 9 01:01:15 UTC 2017

Sorry Dave. You will not acknowledge how flawed The system is. I can ask you how do you know that this has not been tried and defeated add it's very inception. 

Any resolution criticizing Microsoft freedom Sscientific or human where does not reach the floor. Every year at least two resolutions to reach the floor against Apple. And at least one of them gets defeated against the wishes of the establishment

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> On Feb 8, 2017, at 7:39 PM, David Andrews via gui-talk <gui-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> How do you know that NFB won't do what you suggest, or that we haven't already done so.  If you are a member, write  resolution for the 2017 Convention, and push to get it adopted as official NFB policy.
> 
> Dave
> 
> At 06:12 PM 2/8/2017, you wrote:
>> We should be able to perform at least the basic functions using narrator.
>> 
>> But NFB will not put pressure  on Microsoft to make narrator more disabled friendly
>> It will harm Freedom Sscientific  s bottomline. I feel bad  saying anything more than nthat
>> Sent from my iPhone
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>> > On Feb 8, 2017, at 6:07 PM, Jen via gui-talk <gui-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> >
>> > I personally can't stand Narrator. JAWS is still my favorite option.
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: gui-talk [mailto:gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Doug Lee
>> > via gui-talk
>> > Sent: Wednesday, February 8, 2017 1:27 PM
>> > To: wcmerritt at gmail.com; Discussion of the Graphical User Interface, GUI
>> > Talk Mailing List <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> > Cc: Doug Lee <dgl at dlee.org>
>> > Subject: Re: [gui-talk] Fwd: New Windows 10 accessibility features will
>> > improve many lives - TechRepublic
>> >
>> > For what it's worth, here's my up-to-date view on the idea of Narrator
>> > becoming king of Windows screen readers:
>> >
>> > Quick background:
>> >
>> > Before Apple, we fought this because it would give Microsoft a monopoly on
>> > our very ability to access most computers, when we had no clear evidence or
>> > commitment that they would continuously prioritize their efforts to keep
>> > that accessibility for us.
>> >
>> > Apple changed the rules a bit by doing what we opposed Microsoft doing.
>> > Apple had no competition though, so there was no loss when they produced
>> > VoiceOver; only gain.
>> >
>> > Microsoft is starting to show some focus on accessibility support, though it
>> > will take a while before I consider that a reasonable guarantee for the long
>> > run.
>> >
>> > My conclusions:
>> >
>> > We can't be mad by now at Microsoft for trying to do this, whether we
>> > support it or not.
>> >
>> > JAWS and NVDA at least will continue to be important for years.
>> >
>> > If Microsoft knocks them out and we become dependent on Narrator or another
>> > Microsoft offering, time will tell if this was a wise transition. Again,
>> > Apple had no competition, but Microsoft always has.
>> >
>> > On Wed, Feb 08, 2017 at 12:00:30PM -0600, Wayne Merritt via gui-talk wrote:
>> > Yes, Narrator is not as feature-rich as JAWS or Window-Eyes. However,
>> > I have had JAWS crash or not read certain web elements on web pages,
>> > where Narrator or NVDA read them just fine. I heard people say what
>> > I'm about to say for the longest time and did not put any stock in it,
>> > until it happened to me; for tech people and perhaps the average user
>> > today, being able to use at least two screen readers works best. JAWS
>> > is still my preferred reader, but from time to time I am in situations
>> > where JAWS does not work as well as NVDA. I have also done some
>> > accessibility testing, and found this to be especially true. Some
>> > pages JAWS completely misses content, and NVDA is more accurate.
>> >
>> > Wayne
>> >
>> >> On 2/8/17, TaraPrakash via gui-talk <gui-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> >> No matter what Will have to depend onjaws Windows eyes etc.  and NFB will
>> >> not put pressure on Microsoft so that accessibility with an operating
>> > system
>> >> is sufficient and no third-party screen reader is needed
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Sent from my iPhone
>> >>
>> >>> On Feb 8, 2017, at 11:43 AM, Gregory D. Rosenberg via gui-talk
>> >>> <gui-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Good morning everyone,
>> >>>
>> >>> MS has added several improvement for their Narrator. Braille support and
>> >>> mono audio are amongst the enhancements. This is a BETA release for those
>> >>> that choose to receive Windows Updates for Windows 10 on the Windows
>> >>> Insider Fast Track.
>> > http://www.techrepublic.com/article/new-windows-10-accessibility-features-wi
>> > ll-improve-many-lives/?ftag=TRE684d531&bhid=24278129322317615159007803282442
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Braille support in Narrator (beta). Now, when you have a USB- or
>> >>> serial-based braille display attached to your PC you can use it with
>> >>> Narrator.
>> >>>
>> >>> Mono audio option. Visually impaired users who use a screen reader with
>> >>> headphones or earbuds can now enable a mono audio option in Ease of
>> > Access
>> >>> settings ???so the other ear is free to hear conversations and sounds
>> > around
>> >>> them.???
>> >>>
>> >>> Feedback Hub improvements. Microsoft is finally tackling the problem of
>> >>> too much duplicate pieces of feedback by letting user combined them in
>> >>> collections. Which can, collectively, be up-voted just like an individual
>> >>> piece of feedback.
>> >>>
>> >>> Night light improvements. The new Night light feature gets another
>> >>> improvement in this build, with the night light color temperature range
>> >>> extended to a very red (1200 K) color.
>> >>>
>> >>> See:
>> > https://blogs.windows.com/windowsexperience/2017/02/01/announcing-windows-10
>> > -insider-preview-build-15025-pc/#aoee4jFiqHPrCeoP.97
>> > <https://blogs.windows.com/windowsexperience/2017/02/01/announcing-windows-1> 0-insider-preview-build-15025-pc/#aoee4jFiqHPrCeoP.97>
>> >>> for details of Windows 10 build 15025.
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