[gui-talk] Fwd: New Windows 10 accessibility features will improve many lives - TechRepublic
David Andrews
dandrews at visi.com
Sat Feb 11 03:27:12 UTC 2017
Well, you are entitled to your opinion -- as am I. Part of what I
said was that we don't necessarily know what has been done behind the
scenes, as nfb staff talk to and work with technology companies all the time.
Dave
At 07:01 PM 2/8/2017, TaraPrakash wrote:
>Sorry Dave. You will not acknowledge how flawed The system is. I can
>ask you how do you know that this has not been tried and defeated
>add it's very inception.
>
>Any resolution criticizing Microsoft freedom Sscientific or human
>where does not reach the floor. Every year at least two resolutions
>to reach the floor against Apple. And at least one of them gets
>defeated against the wishes of the establishment
>
>
>
>Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Feb 8, 2017, at 7:39 PM, David Andrews via gui-talk
> <gui-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >
> > How do you know that NFB won't do what you suggest, or that we
> haven't already done so. If you are a member, write resolution
> for the 2017 Convention, and push to get it adopted as official NFB policy.
> >
> > Dave
> >
> > At 06:12 PM 2/8/2017, you wrote:
> >> We should be able to perform at least the basic functions using narrator.
> >>
> >> But NFB will not put pressure on Microsoft to make narrator
> more disabled friendly
> >> It will harm Freedom Sscientific s bottomline. I feel
> bad saying anything more than nthat
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >> > On Feb 8, 2017, at 6:07 PM, Jen via gui-talk
> <gui-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > I personally can't stand Narrator. JAWS is still my favorite option.
> >> >
> >> > -----Original Message-----
> >> > From: gui-talk [mailto:gui-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
> Of Doug Lee
> >> > via gui-talk
> >> > Sent: Wednesday, February 8, 2017 1:27 PM
> >> > To: wcmerritt at gmail.com; Discussion of the Graphical User Interface, GUI
> >> > Talk Mailing List <gui-talk at nfbnet.org>
> >> > Cc: Doug Lee <dgl at dlee.org>
> >> > Subject: Re: [gui-talk] Fwd: New Windows 10 accessibility features will
> >> > improve many lives - TechRepublic
> >> >
> >> > For what it's worth, here's my up-to-date view on the idea of Narrator
> >> > becoming king of Windows screen readers:
> >> >
> >> > Quick background:
> >> >
> >> > Before Apple, we fought this because it would give Microsoft a
> monopoly on
> >> > our very ability to access most computers, when we had no
> clear evidence or
> >> > commitment that they would continuously prioritize their efforts to keep
> >> > that accessibility for us.
> >> >
> >> > Apple changed the rules a bit by doing what we opposed Microsoft doing.
> >> > Apple had no competition though, so there was no loss when they produced
> >> > VoiceOver; only gain.
> >> >
> >> > Microsoft is starting to show some focus on accessibility
> support, though it
> >> > will take a while before I consider that a reasonable
> guarantee for the long
> >> > run.
> >> >
> >> > My conclusions:
> >> >
> >> > We can't be mad by now at Microsoft for trying to do this, whether we
> >> > support it or not.
> >> >
> >> > JAWS and NVDA at least will continue to be important for years.
> >> >
> >> > If Microsoft knocks them out and we become dependent on
> Narrator or another
> >> > Microsoft offering, time will tell if this was a wise transition. Again,
> >> > Apple had no competition, but Microsoft always has.
> >> >
> >> > On Wed, Feb 08, 2017 at 12:00:30PM -0600, Wayne Merritt via
> gui-talk wrote:
> >> > Yes, Narrator is not as feature-rich as JAWS or Window-Eyes. However,
> >> > I have had JAWS crash or not read certain web elements on web pages,
> >> > where Narrator or NVDA read them just fine. I heard people say what
> >> > I'm about to say for the longest time and did not put any stock in it,
> >> > until it happened to me; for tech people and perhaps the average user
> >> > today, being able to use at least two screen readers works best. JAWS
> >> > is still my preferred reader, but from time to time I am in situations
> >> > where JAWS does not work as well as NVDA. I have also done some
> >> > accessibility testing, and found this to be especially true. Some
> >> > pages JAWS completely misses content, and NVDA is more accurate.
> >> >
> >> > Wayne
> >> >
> >> >> On 2/8/17, TaraPrakash via gui-talk <gui-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >> >> No matter what Will have to depend onjaws Windows eyes
> etc. and NFB will
> >> >> not put pressure on Microsoft so that accessibility with an operating
> >> > system
> >> >> is sufficient and no third-party screen reader is needed
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >> >>
> >> >>> On Feb 8, 2017, at 11:43 AM, Gregory D. Rosenberg via gui-talk
> >> >>> <gui-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Good morning everyone,
> >> >>>
> >> >>> MS has added several improvement for their Narrator. Braille
> support and
> >> >>> mono audio are amongst the enhancements. This is a BETA
> release for those
> >> >>> that choose to receive Windows Updates for Windows 10 on the Windows
> >> >>> Insider Fast Track.
> >> >
> http://www.techrepublic.com/article/new-windows-10-accessibility-features-wi
> >> >
> ll-improve-many-lives/?ftag=TRE684d531&bhid=24278129322317615159007803282442
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Braille support in Narrator (beta). Now, when you have a USB- or
> >> >>> serial-based braille display attached to your PC you can use it with
> >> >>> Narrator.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Mono audio option. Visually impaired users who use a screen
> reader with
> >> >>> headphones or earbuds can now enable a mono audio option in Ease of
> >> > Access
> >> >>> settings ???so the other ear is free to hear conversations and sounds
> >> > around
> >> >>> them.???
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Feedback Hub improvements. Microsoft is finally tackling the
> problem of
> >> >>> too much duplicate pieces of feedback by letting user combined them in
> >> >>> collections. Which can, collectively, be up-voted just like
> an individual
> >> >>> piece of feedback.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Night light improvements. The new Night light feature gets another
> >> >>> improvement in this build, with the night light color
> temperature range
> >> >>> extended to a very red (1200 K) color.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> See:
> >> >
> https://blogs.windows.com/windowsexperience/2017/02/01/announcing-windows-10
> >> > -insider-preview-build-15025-pc/#aoee4jFiqHPrCeoP.97
> >> >
> <https://blogs.windows.com/windowsexperience/2017/02/01/announcing-windows-1>
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