[humanser] A question for the group
Michael Bullis
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Sun Feb 22 16:51:32 UTC 2009
I've been called to serve six or seven times over my lifetime. Served once
on a case and had a ball.
Mike Bullis
-----Original Message-----
From: humanser-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:humanser-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of David R. Stayer
Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 10:56 AM
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Subject: Re: [humanser] A question for the group
Shalom. Ai have not served and was praised when I indicated that I did not
want to be exceusec based on blindness. I was not selecged for one case
since a sighted person fell getting on a bus and I indicated that I have not
fallen.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Melissa Ann Riccobono" <melissa at riccobono.us>
To: "'Human Services Mailing List'" <humanser at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2009 6:07 PM
Subject: Re: [humanser] A question for the group
> It's an interesting question. I have not served myself. I was
> summoned last year and went to the court house. Right away someone
> tried to excuse me, but I said very forcefully that I did not want to
> be excused and they let me stay. I was called in as a potential
> jurrer in two cases. The first they did not pick me. The second I
> asked to be excused because it was going to be an extremely lengthy
> trial and I had a small child at home who I was the primary caregiver
> for during the day. The judge let me go, but I hope this had more to
> do with my family situation than my blindness. Perhaps it was a bit
> of both... Hard to say.
> I do have two blind friends who have served without at problem.
> Melissa
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: humanser-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:humanser-bounces at nfbnet.org]
> On Behalf Of Jeffrey Schwartz
> Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 6:29 PM
> To: 'Human Services Mailing List'
> Subject: Re: [humanser] A question for the group
>
> I've been wondering about this for some time. I would like to serve
> on a jury. The one time I was summoned, much to my regret, I asked my
> ophthalmologist to write a letter stating that I am blind and should
> be excused. I am wondering if it is considered illegal to ban us. I
> can see why they would want to do this and I would not be offended.
> There can be visual evidence , a substantial amount in some cases. We
> could ask for an interpreter or such as the blind do, but this would
> be awkward and not precise. The attorneys each have a number of
> peremptory challenges. This allows them to dismiss someone without
> giving a reason. I suspect that one or the other would drop us in
> this way. Any experiences with this? Any of you served? What do you
> think about the issue?
> Jeff
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: humanser-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:humanser-bounces at nfbnet.org]
> On Behalf Of Marion & Martin
> Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 3:12 PM
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> Subject: A question for the group
>
> Shannon,
> I will refer back to my earlier message regarding whether or not
> schools
>
> require O&M instruction before being accepted for training. As to your
> other
>
> question about substituting one O&M instruction for another, perhaps
> an analogy from our mutual experience will help.
> I notice you have an MSW. I have an MS in Mental Health Counseling.
> In my undergraduate program I took a Research Methods class. I also
> took a Research Methods class in graduate school. now, I could have
> argued with the
>
> school that I had already had Research Methods and didn't need to take
> it again. Of course, my arguments would not have been accepted as the
> requirement to take their class is part of their program. Furthermore,
> the level, scope, and complexity of the class was very different in
> graduate school than it was in undergraduate classes. Can you
> understand how this applies to this issue?
>
> Fraternally,
> Marion
>
> We are both
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Shannon Cook" <SCook at sccb.sc.gov>
> To: "'Human Services Mailing List'" <humanser at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 9:10 AM
> Subject: Re: [humanser] Jury finds IA Dept. for Blind's guide dog
> policy does not discriminate
>
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Isn't it true though, that in order to get a guide dog, an individual
>> has to have good mobility skills with a cane and have their
>> application signed
>
>> by an O & M instructor? If they have already gone through the
>> mobility portion of training and received a guide dog, why then would
>> it be necessary to go back to an unchosen method of travel? Why not
>> just have them not take that particular class?
>>
>> That is my 2 cents.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Shannon Cook, MSW
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: humanser-bounces at nfbnet.org
>> [mailto:humanser-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Doug Lee
>> Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 11:20 PM
>> To: Human Services Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [humanser] Jury finds IA Dept. for Blind's guide dog
>> policy does not discriminate
>>
>> That one could start quite a discussion of course... but from the
>> perspective of the case, these are not even the relevant questions.
>> The training center teaches classes, and one of those is a travel
>> class, and the travel class teaches cane skills, not dog skills.
>> Just as you don't go to a driving class to learn how to fly an
>> airplane, you don't go to a cane school to learn guide dog use. The
>> school has the right to choose what skills to teach, and the student
>> has the right to take what the school has to offer and the right not
>> to. Of course, the student also has the right to visit the school
>> with cane or dog at any time visitation is possible I'm sure. :)
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 09:27:10PM -0600, James Brown wrote:
>>> Hello all,
>>>
>>> Can you share some knowledge with someone who has always been a cane
>>> user?
>>>
>>> Setting aside all the legalities, what does everyone think about
>>> this case? Any die hard cane users out there? How about you guide
>>> dog lovers, what do you think?
>>>
>>> Is there a significant difference between using a cane or dog? Is
>>> either one really that perfect?
>>>
>>> Are we trying to shape other blind people into our own image, all
>>> the while damaging the individuality of the blind population?
>>>
>>> whether it's a stick or a dog, aren't we all depending on something?
>>>
>>> Is this a kind of twisted psychology, or is it more about being
>>> practical?
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance,
>>> JB
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wilson,Joanne (by way of David
>>> Andrews <dandrews at visi.com>)" <JWilson at nfb.org>
>>> To: <david.andrews at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 4:24 PM
>>> Subject: [humanser] Jury finds IA Dept. for Blind's guide dog policy
>>> does not discriminate
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----------
>>> From: Brammer, Robert [AG] [mailto:rbrammer at ag.state.ia.us]
>>> Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 1:53 PM
>>> To: Brammer, Robert [AG]
>>> Subject: Atty. Gen. release: Jury finds IA Dept.
>>> for Blind's guide dog policy does not discriminate
>>>
>>> To News Editors. From Bob Brammer (Iowa
>>> Attorney General's Office - 515-281-6699.) Please find a release
>>> pasted below. This will be posted soon at
>>> <http://www.iowaattorneygeneral.org/>www.IowaAttorneyGeneral.org
>>> . A jury entered a verdict Wednesday in this case in Polk County
>>> District Court.
>>> Best regards, Bram
>>>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> ------
> -
>>>
>>> For immediate release - Thursday, February 19, 2009.
>>> Contact Bob Brammer - 515-281-6699
>>>
>>> Jury finds Iowa Department for the Blind's Guide Dog Policy Does Not
>>> Discriminate
>>>
>>> Des Moines. A Polk County jury has rejected a Des
>>> Moines woman's claim that the State of Iowa Department for the Blind
>>> discriminated against her by refusing her request to use a guide dog
>>> while she attended the Department's orientation and adjustment
>>> training program.
>>>
>>> The Department for the Blind orientation and training
>>> program is a comprehensive program that utilizes a totally
>>> non-visual approach to teaching blindness skills. Students with
>>> partial vision are required to wear eyeshades to prevent reliance
>>> upon any visual cues during training. Department policies prohibit
>>> the use of any visual aids within the orientation and training
>>> program, including guide dogs. The Department has no objection to
>>> guide dogs in other situations.
>>>
>>> Stephanie Dohmen, who is legally blind, attended the
>>> program for several months beginning in September 2000 and sought to
>>> re-enter the program in June 2002 accompanied by her guide dog.
>>>
>>> Dohmen claimed in her lawsuit that the Department's
>>> policy violated her rights under the Iowa Civil Rights Act and under
>>> federal laws that prohibit discrimination on the basis of
>>> disability.
>>>
>>> After a six-day trial, the eight-person jury rejected
>>> Dohmen's claims in a verdict entered Wednesday.
>>>
>>>
>>> The Department for the Blind, which was represented in
>>> the trial by the Iowa Attorney General, argued that a totally
>>> non-visual approach - and training without assistance of a guide-dog
>>> or other visual aids - is the most effective approach for
>>> visually-impaired persons who are learning skills and techniques for
>>> dealing with blindness.
>>>
>>> The Department places no limitations upon the use of
>>> guide dogs in other settings, including in the Department for the
>>> Blind
>>> building in downtown Des Moines. For example,
>>> Karen Keninger, the Director of the Department, uses a guide dog,
>>> and the dog accompanied Keninger during her testimony at the trial.
>>>
>>> The orientation program typically includes about six
>>> months of full-time training in various problem-solving skills, such
>>> as cane-travel on public streets, using Braille, using computers,
>>> and dealing with many other situations.
>>>
>>> The Department for the Blind's orientation and
>>> adjustment program was established in 1959 and is considered by many
>>> to be one of the most effective in the country.
>>>
>>> During the trial, the State Department for the Blind
>>> presented testimony from Joanne Wilson and Frederic K. Schroeder,
>>> each a former Commissioner of the U.S. Rehabilitation Services
>>> Administration, which oversees programs for the blind around the
>>> country.
>>>
>>> "Iowa's orientation program profoundly changes lives,"
>>> said Wilson, who also is Executive Director of the National
>>> Federation of the Blind. "It works. It's a cutting-edge program
>>> and a model for other states." Wilson is a Webster City native and
>>> ISU graduate who went through the Iowa Department for the Blind's
>>> orientation program herself.
>>>
>>> Schroeder said: "To me the central point is that
>>> individuals have a choice in the type of training they take. While
>>> programs must and should make reasonable accommodations, they cannot
>>> be required to alter the fundamentals of the program."
>>>
>>> - 30 -
>>>
>>>
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