[humanser] NCE Question

Mon Aug 5 01:06:58 UTC 2013

JD,

Thanks for answering my question.  I really don't understand the whole 
thing.  I mean, common sense would say that if something is available for 
sighted persons then it should be available for blind persons.  I guess I've 
said that before on other e-mails but, I still believe it.  I don't see a 
problem with using a reader if it's the choice of the blind person but, for 
it to be the only choice doesn't work, in my opinion.  I understand what 
you're saying about cheating and I'm not saying you think this but, isn't 
that an excuse used by the examiners?  Also, couldn't someone cheat if they 
wanted to do so even with a reader or scribe?  I mean, cheaters can always 
find ways to cheat.  Okay, thanks again.

Regards,

Denise

-----Original Message----- 
From: JD Townsend
Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2013 5:33 PM
To: Human Services Mailing List
Subject: Re: [humanser] NCE Question

In most states the board selects the reader so that no cheating occurs.

-----Original Message----- 
From: Denise Shaible
Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2013 7:50 PM
To: Human Services Mailing List
Subject: Re: [humanser] NCE Question

My question is where are the readers/scribes coming from?  I mean, aren't
there any undergraduate students or even graduate students who could do the
job and do it well?  Or does the examination board have to choose these
readers/scribes?  I'm just curious.  then again, it's difficult to get
volunteers even just to read mail and simple documents, why do I believe it
would be different for exams?

Regards,

Denise

-----Original Message----- 
From: MARY CHAPPELL
Sent: Saturday, August 03, 2013 6:46 PM
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Subject: Re: [humanser] NCE Question

JD,
Not a peep out of the board, no email, no call. I am in limbo. Thanks for
asking. At this moment I am believing that I will have to acquiesse and I
will have to  work with a reader/scribe.  MTC
-----Original Message-----
From: humanser [mailto:humanser-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of JD Townsend
Sent: Saturday, August 03, 2013 7:32 PM
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Subject: Re: [humanser] NCE Question

Hello Mary:

Did you hear from the board on Friday?  Was it good news?

-----Original Message-----
From: MARY CHAPPELL
Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2013 11:53 PM
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Subject: Re: [humanser] NCE Question

sDarla,
I am going forth on faith that the reader will be easily acclimated to the
lexicon generally used and the process will go smoothly. I state this
because I spoke with the board today when following up on not having heard
about scheduling. The rep told me the director had no familiarity with the
appeal process and, since I had requested information for the appeal process
)at the beginning of July, they had no reply. I then noted that, if the
reader/scribe was the option for access to the exam, I would have to take
the option as I must be licensed. She initially told me to expect the
authorization via email on Friday, tomorrow. She then alluded to a need to
review my file to assure my having completed the necessary practical
training hours. Mind you, this same rep had told me at the start of this
journey that I had met all criteria following review and, when I inquired on
the accommodation request, she noted a need for follow up, given the bord's
not having addressed that request due to oversight.
I have over 2450 pre internship hours(practicum), I have 3,185 internship
hours. While internship hours are not considered in this state,  and the
requirement is 1,450  preinternship hours ; when she had to acknowledge this
she deferred to supervision hours and said a reviewer would have to look at
my file tomorrow and, she probably will not have an opportunity to respond.
So, I am certain that this process will be longer than I would have liked.
I am encouraged by your feedback and expressions of support.
Warmly,
MTC
-----Original Message-----
From: humanser [mailto:humanser-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Darla
Rogers
Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2013 8:10 PM
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Subject: Re: [humanser] NCE Question

Hi Mary,

I don't think there are many sighted folks that would jeopardize their
employment; jobs are just plain too hard to come by these days given the
cuts that affect some of the programs, agencies and other employers for whom
we work.
I can't wait for the day when all these entities who offer licensure exams,
will finally get it that alternate formats don't cause anymore of a problem
than good computer hacks who already know how to compromise these exams
(i.e., look at all the cheating scams even in our best colleges and
preparatory schools> I would like to think a settlement would work, but ACB,
I believe, has also worked on these issues, so it would appear stronger
actions will be necessary.
It is extremely disconcerting and nerve-wracking when you are "tutoring" the
reader in proper pronunciation of our specific terminologies, though a good
reader should be able to manage.
Darla

-----Original Message-----
From: humanser [mailto:humanser-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of MARY
CHAPPELL
Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2013 1:41 PM
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Subject: Re: [humanser] NCE Question

Mary and all,
I am appreciative of the concern of the costly factors to my situation;
however, I will not volitionally place my employment status in jeopardy.
Work with an unfamiliar reader/scribe is  problematic as following my brain
injury I have a processing delay and disorganization may be detrimental to
my successful completion. This is why I mention the threat to my employment.
Mary Tatum Chappell, Psy.D.

-----Original Message-----
From: humanser [mailto:humanser-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Merry
Schoch
Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2013 8:25 AM
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Subject: Re: [humanser] NCE Question

Hi Mary,

After reading all the posts regarding this issue it appears there are many
of us out there who are facing the same situation.  However, your situation
has costly consequences in regards to your employment.  You are truly a
courageous Federationist!  I would hate to see your job be at risk.    I am
usually optimistic but I am pretty sure this issue will not be resolved by
December.  Believe me we will all march forward to get this resolved.  I
have not scheduled my exam; however my accommodations requests expires but I
may just have to let it expire, because then we have another issue...why
after all of our educational experience are we not the ones that are the
expert at requesting the accommodations we need...why is it our physicians ?
Mine actually wrote on the form that he did not know; the other physician
wrote what I told him. I agree that we should show proof of the disability
but that is as far as it goes (in my opinion).    We have a great deal of
work to do!  Thank you for being a part of our efforts as we move forward in
our endeavor to "Change What It Means to be Blind".

Merry

-----Original Message-----
From: humanser [mailto:humanser-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of MARY
CHAPPELL
Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2013 9:07 PM
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Subject: Re: [humanser] NCE Question

Darla,
In speaking with Mr. Brown in the past, I learned that legal proceedings to
insure that lawyers who sit for the bar could use screen reading software
for the exam has been legally secured. I am certain that this was a long and
arduous process; however, if it can change what it means to be blind, I want
to be a part of the fight. I will lose a significant amount if this is not
realized by December and I will have to assess as the time comes nearer.
-----Original Message-----
From: humanser [mailto:humanser-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Darla
Rogers
Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2013 8:51 PM
To: 'Human Services Mailing List'
Cc: 'Charles Brown'
Subject: Re: [humanser] NCE Question

Quite right, Mary; this disregard and paternalism and ignorance has gone on
way long enough; maybe Mr. Brown can tell us if anyone has won a lawsuit
against a testing entity.  It seems I remember, at least one, but I am not
even sure how to Google it.
How dare they keep you from retaining employment; it would be neat to see a
class of folks who want to test sued; litigation, as you know, takes time,
but you could probably sue for lost potential wages--actually in your
case--they would be real wages.
Darla

-----Original Message-----
From: humanser [mailto:humanser-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of MARY
CHAPPELL
Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2013 7:44 PM
To: 'Human Services Mailing List'
Cc: 'Charles Brown'
Subject: Re: [humanser] NCE Question

Jeannie,
I am dealing with this dilemma at this exact moment. Trying to sit for my
EPPP licensure so I can ethically practice, move into additional private
practice as I have many referrals who are awaiting the occurrence and, I
must have the necessary licensure to stay gainfully employed where I have
been for 5 years. Like you I have been told the there is only a computerized
version; I have been denied access using screen reading software. The state
agency has agreed to provide the software, load it at the proctor site for
the exam, and offer trouble shooting support and, yet, the licensing board
has denied the accommodation. They have offered large print or reader and
scribe. As a doctorate in psychology I was insensed by the dismissive tone
and disregard and I have asked that the Federation aid me in resolving this
issue. Obviously, this delays this necessary process but, I feel I must
fight. I am copying Charlie Brown of the Federation in hopes that he may
speak to this question.
I hope our collective voices will enact change mechanisms so that we may
function wholly as the mental health professionals that we are.
Genuinely,
Mary Tatum Chappell, Psy. D.
-----Original Message-----
From: humanser [mailto:humanser-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of JMassay
Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2013 6:48 PM
To: humanser at nfbnet.org
Subject: [humanser] NCE Question

Hello all-

It's great to see the recent activity on the list! I have a quick question
for anyone who has recently or is getting ready to take the NCE Exam , or
well, actually, any other Masters level licensure examination. I have been
told that , although the exam is in an electronic format, I will have to
take it with a scribe and a reader in a private room. I would like to ask
everyone's thoughts on this issue and learn from your experiences as well.

I appreciate any feedback that you can give me and anyone else preparing to
take a certification or licensure exam in the mental health field.

Jeannie

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