[humanser] NCE Question

Jan Bailey jlb021951 at gmail.com
Mon Aug 5 11:06:24 UTC 2013 

I think they should test the readers, but more importantly, they should make 
the computer tests available, because on a computer tests, if you do well in 
one are, they may move you to a higher level question sooner. For example in 
Minnesota, the comprehensive must take tests to graduate computer tests are 
not accessible, so the blind students have to take them using Braille, but 
they also have to answer, on average, 20 questions more.

Jan

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Denise Shaible" <denise.shaible at att.net>
To: "Human Services Mailing List" <humanser at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2013 8:06 PM
Subject: Re: [humanser] NCE Question


> JD,
>
> Thanks for answering my question.  I really don't understand the whole 
> thing.  I mean, common sense would say that if something is available for 
> sighted persons then it should be available for blind persons.  I guess 
> I've said that before on other e-mails but, I still believe it.  I don't 
> see a problem with using a reader if it's the choice of the blind person 
> but, for it to be the only choice doesn't work, in my opinion.  I 
> understand what you're saying about cheating and I'm not saying you think 
> this but, isn't that an excuse used by the examiners?  Also, couldn't 
> someone cheat if they wanted to do so even with a reader or scribe?  I 
> mean, cheaters can always find ways to cheat.  Okay, thanks again.
>
> Regards,
>
> Denise
>
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: JD Townsend
> Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2013 5:33 PM
> To: Human Services Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [humanser] NCE Question
>
>
> In most states the board selects the reader so that no cheating occurs.
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: Denise Shaible
> Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2013 7:50 PM
> To: Human Services Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [humanser] NCE Question
>
> My question is where are the readers/scribes coming from?  I mean, aren't
> there any undergraduate students or even graduate students who could do 
> the
> job and do it well?  Or does the examination board have to choose these
> readers/scribes?  I'm just curious.  then again, it's difficult to get
> volunteers even just to read mail and simple documents, why do I believe 
> it
> would be different for exams?
>
> Regards,
>
> Denise
>
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: MARY CHAPPELL
> Sent: Saturday, August 03, 2013 6:46 PM
> To: 'Human Services Mailing List'
> Subject: Re: [humanser] NCE Question
>
> JD,
> Not a peep out of the board, no email, no call. I am in limbo. Thanks for
> asking. At this moment I am believing that I will have to acquiesse and I
> will have to  work with a reader/scribe.  MTC
> -----Original Message-----
> From: humanser [mailto:humanser-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of JD 
> Townsend
> Sent: Saturday, August 03, 2013 7:32 PM
> To: 'Human Services Mailing List'
> Subject: Re: [humanser] NCE Question
>
>
> Hello Mary:
>
>
> Did you hear from the board on Friday?  Was it good news?
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: MARY CHAPPELL
> Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2013 11:53 PM
> To: 'Human Services Mailing List'
> Subject: Re: [humanser] NCE Question
>
> sDarla,
> I am going forth on faith that the reader will be easily acclimated to the
> lexicon generally used and the process will go smoothly. I state this
> because I spoke with the board today when following up on not having heard
> about scheduling. The rep told me the director had no familiarity with the
> appeal process and, since I had requested information for the appeal 
> process
> )at the beginning of July, they had no reply. I then noted that, if the
> reader/scribe was the option for access to the exam, I would have to take
> the option as I must be licensed. She initially told me to expect the
> authorization via email on Friday, tomorrow. She then alluded to a need to
> review my file to assure my having completed the necessary practical
> training hours. Mind you, this same rep had told me at the start of this
> journey that I had met all criteria following review and, when I inquired 
> on
> the accommodation request, she noted a need for follow up, given the 
> bord's
> not having addressed that request due to oversight.
> I have over 2450 pre internship hours(practicum), I have 3,185 internship
> hours. While internship hours are not considered in this state,  and the
> requirement is 1,450  preinternship hours ; when she had to acknowledge 
> this
> she deferred to supervision hours and said a reviewer would have to look 
> at
> my file tomorrow and, she probably will not have an opportunity to 
> respond.
> So, I am certain that this process will be longer than I would have liked.
> I am encouraged by your feedback and expressions of support.
> Warmly,
> MTC
> -----Original Message-----
> From: humanser [mailto:humanser-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Darla
> Rogers
> Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2013 8:10 PM
> To: 'Human Services Mailing List'
> Subject: Re: [humanser] NCE Question
>
> Hi Mary,
>
> I don't think there are many sighted folks that would jeopardize their
> employment; jobs are just plain too hard to come by these days given the
> cuts that affect some of the programs, agencies and other employers for 
> whom
> we work.
> I can't wait for the day when all these entities who offer licensure 
> exams,
> will finally get it that alternate formats don't cause anymore of a 
> problem
> than good computer hacks who already know how to compromise these exams
> (i.e., look at all the cheating scams even in our best colleges and
> preparatory schools> I would like to think a settlement would work, but 
> ACB,
> I believe, has also worked on these issues, so it would appear stronger
> actions will be necessary.
> It is extremely disconcerting and nerve-wracking when you are "tutoring" 
> the
> reader in proper pronunciation of our specific terminologies, though a 
> good
> reader should be able to manage.
> Darla
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: humanser [mailto:humanser-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of MARY
> CHAPPELL
> Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2013 1:41 PM
> To: 'Human Services Mailing List'
> Subject: Re: [humanser] NCE Question
>
> Mary and all,
> I am appreciative of the concern of the costly factors to my situation;
> however, I will not volitionally place my employment status in jeopardy.
> Work with an unfamiliar reader/scribe is  problematic as following my 
> brain
> injury I have a processing delay and disorganization may be detrimental to
> my successful completion. This is why I mention the threat to my 
> employment.
> Mary Tatum Chappell, Psy.D.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: humanser [mailto:humanser-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Merry
> Schoch
> Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2013 8:25 AM
> To: 'Human Services Mailing List'
> Subject: Re: [humanser] NCE Question
>
> Hi Mary,
>
> After reading all the posts regarding this issue it appears there are many
> of us out there who are facing the same situation.  However, your 
> situation
> has costly consequences in regards to your employment.  You are truly a
> courageous Federationist!  I would hate to see your job be at risk.    I 
> am
> usually optimistic but I am pretty sure this issue will not be resolved by
> December.  Believe me we will all march forward to get this resolved.  I
> have not scheduled my exam; however my accommodations requests expires but 
> I
> may just have to let it expire, because then we have another issue...why
> after all of our educational experience are we not the ones that are the
> expert at requesting the accommodations we need...why is it our physicians 
> ?
> Mine actually wrote on the form that he did not know; the other physician
> wrote what I told him. I agree that we should show proof of the disability
> but that is as far as it goes (in my opinion).    We have a great deal of
> work to do!  Thank you for being a part of our efforts as we move forward 
> in
> our endeavor to "Change What It Means to be Blind".
>
> Merry
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: humanser [mailto:humanser-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of MARY
> CHAPPELL
> Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2013 9:07 PM
> To: 'Human Services Mailing List'
> Subject: Re: [humanser] NCE Question
>
> Darla,
> In speaking with Mr. Brown in the past, I learned that legal proceedings 
> to
> insure that lawyers who sit for the bar could use screen reading software
> for the exam has been legally secured. I am certain that this was a long 
> and
> arduous process; however, if it can change what it means to be blind, I 
> want
> to be a part of the fight. I will lose a significant amount if this is not
> realized by December and I will have to assess as the time comes nearer.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: humanser [mailto:humanser-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Darla
> Rogers
> Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2013 8:51 PM
> To: 'Human Services Mailing List'
> Cc: 'Charles Brown'
> Subject: Re: [humanser] NCE Question
>
> Quite right, Mary; this disregard and paternalism and ignorance has gone 
> on
> way long enough; maybe Mr. Brown can tell us if anyone has won a lawsuit
> against a testing entity.  It seems I remember, at least one, but I am not
> even sure how to Google it.
> How dare they keep you from retaining employment; it would be neat to see 
> a
> class of folks who want to test sued; litigation, as you know, takes time,
> but you could probably sue for lost potential wages--actually in your
> case--they would be real wages.
> Darla
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: humanser [mailto:humanser-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of MARY
> CHAPPELL
> Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2013 7:44 PM
> To: 'Human Services Mailing List'
> Cc: 'Charles Brown'
> Subject: Re: [humanser] NCE Question
>
> Jeannie,
> I am dealing with this dilemma at this exact moment. Trying to sit for my
> EPPP licensure so I can ethically practice, move into additional private
> practice as I have many referrals who are awaiting the occurrence and, I
> must have the necessary licensure to stay gainfully employed where I have
> been for 5 years. Like you I have been told the there is only a 
> computerized
> version; I have been denied access using screen reading software. The 
> state
> agency has agreed to provide the software, load it at the proctor site for
> the exam, and offer trouble shooting support and, yet, the licensing board
> has denied the accommodation. They have offered large print or reader and
> scribe. As a doctorate in psychology I was insensed by the dismissive tone
> and disregard and I have asked that the Federation aid me in resolving 
> this
> issue. Obviously, this delays this necessary process but, I feel I must
> fight. I am copying Charlie Brown of the Federation in hopes that he may
> speak to this question.
> I hope our collective voices will enact change mechanisms so that we may
> function wholly as the mental health professionals that we are.
> Genuinely,
> Mary Tatum Chappell, Psy. D.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: humanser [mailto:humanser-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of JMassay
> Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2013 6:48 PM
> To: humanser at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [humanser] NCE Question
>
> Hello all-
>
> It's great to see the recent activity on the list! I have a quick question
> for anyone who has recently or is getting ready to take the NCE Exam , or
> well, actually, any other Masters level licensure examination. I have been
> told that , although the exam is in an electronic format, I will have to
> take it with a scribe and a reader in a private room. I would like to ask
> everyone's thoughts on this issue and learn from your experiences as well.
>
> I appreciate any feedback that you can give me and anyone else preparing 
> to
> take a certification or licensure exam in the mental health field.
>
> Jeannie
>
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