[humanser] Drivers license requirement for employment

Tue Apr 15 20:41:41 UTC 2014

I am certainly hoping that the autonomous Google car will obviate this in the very near future

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> On Apr 15, 2014, at 11:29 AM, Carly Mihalakis <carlymih at comcast.net> wrote:
> 
> Good Tuesday morning,
> 
> What a great idea, finding independence via collaboration with someone who happens to have eyesight, not relying on some computer. Perhaps, some blind people could b more open to such a concept, after all, remember, upon recruiting Ol'Sighty to read and enter information into a form, or do the driving or locate something you have dropped, a blind person must still use their know-how to direct the sighted person, I.E, entering information on a form. Also, I don't think ol'Sighty notices the arduous means the blink often goes, even to accomplish basic tasks, much less do something like acquire and maintain a job or an education. All he seems to notice is the ends. Do you have a job? not, how did you do the job? Did you find the bus stop and  not, did you somehow, create a mental map in your head detailing the layout of addresses of the whole neighborhood before finding it completely alone, with only the help of your long white cane?
> for today, Car
> 
> 01:44 AM 12/28/2013, you wrote:
>> That may all be true, but the government has cut way back on clerical staff,
>> so if you get behind on your case noting, it could be a real problem.
>>        If you could do them in, say a word document, it might be easier to
>> get a clerical person to copy and paste them into the record-keeping
>> software and fill in the other fields.
>> Darla
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: humanser [mailto:humanser-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Sandy
>> Sent: Friday, December 27, 2013 6:43 PM
>> To: blinddog3 at charter.net; 'Human Services Mailing List'
>> Subject: Re: [humanser] Drivers license requirement for employment
>> 
>> In working with my agency, they stated that an essential function of my job
>> was paperwork.  I had an advocate who advised me that my essential function
>> was to see clients and provide treatment.  When the agency said the Federal
>> government required electronic health records, the advocate stated that the
>> government does not specify who needs to put the records in to the
>> electronic files.
>> 
>> 
>> Sandy
>> 
>> --------------------------------------------------
>> From: "Steven Johnson" <blinddog3 at charter.net>
>> Sent: Friday, December 27, 2013 7:27 PM
>> To: "'Human Services Mailing List'" <humanser at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [humanser] Drivers license requirement for employment
>> 
>> > Not if it is an essential function of the job which in many cases, it
>> > is and not a secondary function.
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: humanser [mailto:humanser-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>> > justin williams
>> > Sent: Friday, December 27, 2013 5:34 PM
>> > To: 'Human Services Mailing List'
>> > Subject: Re: [humanser] Drivers license requirement for employment
>> >
>> > I've noticed this theme of drivers license.  While it seems as if some
>> > of us have acquired such jobs, several others have encountered this as
>> > a barrier.
>> > We must collectively come up with ways to surmount it.
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: humanser [mailto:humanser-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Sandy
>> > Sent: Friday, December 27, 2013 6:31 PM
>> > To: Human Services Mailing List
>> > Subject: Re: [humanser] Drivers license requirement for employment
>> >
>> > I also do own a small home that I am slowly downsizing from my family
>> > who lived years in it and have passed.
>> >
>> > Jonathan, I believe the Mass. Commission wants driver's license.  At
>> > one time, I had a blind counselor who was driven to clients' home by a
>> > sighted woman.  The blindness agency in CT, as far as I know, still
>> > uses some drivers.  Anyway, we seem to need to work around this driver
>> > license requirement in a bunch of job placements.
>> >
>> >
>> > Sandy
>> >
>> > --------------------------------------------------
>> > From: "Darla Rogers" <djrogers0628 at gmail.com>
>> > Sent: Friday, December 27, 2013 12:04 AM
>> > To: "'Human Services Mailing List'" <humanser at nfbnet.org>
>> > Subject: Re: [humanser] Drivers license requirement for employment
>> >
>> >> Hi Jonathan,
>> >>
>> >> Well, I won't be a shoulder here, but I have had to move more than I
>> >> liked to accept a position, and the NFB members I have met here are
>> >> pretty awesome folks.
>> >> The Massachusetts Commission for the Blind was advertising jobs
>> >> awhile back, too, and if I didn't own my own home, might have considered
>> it.
>> >> Darla
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: humanser [mailto:humanser-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>> >> Jonathan Alpert
>> >> Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2013 11:01 PM
>> >> To: 'Human Services Mailing List'
>> >> Subject: Re: [humanser] Drivers license requirement for employment
>> >>
>> >> Dear Darla:
>> >> I greatly appreciate your assist, however, I live in the Boston MA
>> >> area and don't know anyone in the KC area. If I did, I would consider
>> >> it. Thank you for your help.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: humanser [mailto:humanser-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>> >> Darla Rogers
>> >> Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2013 11:34 PM
>> >> To: 'Human Services Mailing List'
>> >> Subject: Re: [humanser] Drivers license requirement for employment
>> >>
>> >> Dear Jonathan,
>> >>
>> >> Missouri (Kansas City) has 2 VR counselor positions open with
>> >> Rehabilitation Services for the Blind; you have your masters, and you
>> >> don't need to be CRC certified to apply.
>> >> If you are at all interested, drop me a line at
>> >>
>> >> djrogers0628 at gmail.com
>> >>
>> >> with your Email address, and I'll forward you the notice.
>> >> Darla
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: humanser [mailto:humanser-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>> >> Jonathan Alpert
>> >> Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2013 8:58 PM
>> >> To: 'Human Services Mailing List'
>> >> Subject: Re: [humanser] Drivers license requirement for employment
>> >>
>> >> Hi Ashley
>> >>
>> >> I have a Master's degree in mental health counseling and a CAGS as
>> >> well. I have 10 years of experience and yet, I can not find fulltime
>> > employment.
>> >>
>> >> I currently work for a large agency and they require a driver's
>> >> license. I find this to be true for a great number of agencies.
>> >> I currently work for a group home within the agency. I cannot give
>> >> out medications as I would not be able to identify them.  I also am
>> >> not able to do much with a printed paper, whether it is a doctor's
>> >> note or just a general form.
>> >>
>> >> In resent months, I have entertained the idea of trying  to try my
>> >> hands in a different field but I have no idea what I would do. It's
>> >> just very frustrating.
>> >>
>> >> Jonathan
>> >>
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: humanser [mailto:humanser-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>> >> Ashley Bramlett
>> >> Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2013 5:28 PM
>> >> To: Human Services Mailing List
>> >> Subject: Re: [humanser] Drivers license requirement for employment
>> >>
>> >> Hi Jonathan,
>> >> What is your education in? I hope you find employment.
>> >> Its discouraging to hear those with masters out of work. Perhaps, you
>> >> are one of them?
>> >> Its hard now a days, too much cut backs.
>> >> I'd encourage you to network. Join a professional association and go
>> >> to conferences of your field.
>> >> Hope something comes up for you.
>> >>
>> >> Ashley
>> >>
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: Jonathan Alpert
>> >> Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2013 2:16 PM
>> >> To: 'Human Services Mailing List'
>> >> Subject: Re: [humanser] Drivers license requirement for employment
>> >>
>> >> I have had much difficulty in obtaining fulltime employment despite
>> >> all my education and experience. I started to write a negative
>> >> response , but don't want to discurrage anyone.
>> >>
>> >> Jonathan
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: humanser [mailto:humanser-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>> >> justin williams
>> >> Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2013 1:41 PM
>> >> To: 'Human Services Mailing List'
>> >> Subject: Re: [humanser] Drivers license requirement for employment
>> >>
>> >> I agree with that.  This is not trying to tell anyone else how to
>> >> conduct their job interview, but you have to make the employer
>> >> comfortable with you, and sometimes, that is explaining to thme how a
>> >> job can be done using assistive technology.  You don't have to reveal
>> >> the whole thing, and make it a grand show, but describing the tools
>> >> of blindness pertaining to the job is something that an interviewee
>> >> should do as a basic overview.
>> >>
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: humanser [mailto:humanser-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>> >> Sandy
>> >> Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2013 12:54 PM
>> >> To: Human Services Mailing List; Carly Mihalakis
>> >> Subject: Re: [humanser] Drivers license requirement for employment
>> >>
>> >> Carlee,
>> >>
>> >> I understand your point.  In my opinion, when I go for an interview
>> >> and the employer knows nothing about my blindness, I am sure he/she
>> >> is going to wonder how paperwork and so on will get done.  I think
>> >> that telling the employer one's abilities, if you use cognitive
>> >> theory, etc. is important.
>> >> Secondary to that, I believe it is okay for me to give information as
>> >> to how certain parts of the job can be handled by me.  Blindness is
>> >> not the same type of characteristic as hair color, for example.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Sandy
>> >>
>> >> --------------------------------------------------
>> >> From: "Carly Mihalakis" <carlymih at comcast.net>
>> >> Sent: Wednesday, December 25, 2013 4:58 AM
>> >> To: "Sandy" <sandraburgess at msn.com>; "Human Services Mailing List"
>> >> <humanser at nfbnet.org>; "Human Services Mailing List"
>> >> <humanser at nfbnet.org>
>> >> Subject: Re: [humanser] Drivers license requirement for employment
>> >>
>> >>> Good morning,
>> >>>
>> >>> It would seem to me that, inflicting a shocked state on to someone
>> >>> who interacts with you most likely will reduce conditions to that
>> >>> which many blind people resent, being seeing only for blindness and
>> >>> not for the flaming and colorful people, we often are.
>> >>> I believe in blindness being so mythic amongst sighted cultures
>> >>> that, among the things of which we are without is a presumed
>> >>> entitlement of anonymity, blindness forever being a presence I came
>> >>> to know in deviance class, a master status or the single
>> >>> characteristic beyond anything else by which you are identified I.E
>> >>> Black president, gay
>> >> teacher, deaf Ms.
>> >>> America among many others. It could be a sort of game.
>> >>>
>> >>> So, I do digress, it seems honest just to tell a potential employer
>> >>> this identifying characteristic of your's. After all, would you have
>> >>> a problem disclosing that you might be a blond, a redhead or Chinese?
>> >>> for today, Car
>> >>>
>> >>> .
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>>Sandy
>> >>>>
>> >>>>--------------------------------------------------
>> >>>>From: "JD Townsend" <43210 at Bellsouth.net>
>> >>>>Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2013 10:29 PM
>> >>>>To: "Human Services Mailing List" <humanser at nfbnet.org>
>> >>>>Subject: Re: [humanser] Drivers license requirement for employment
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>Sadly some folks are prejudice on the outset.  I took a 2 hour trip
>> >>>>>for an interview once and the interviewer told me at the door that
>> >>>>>the job was too intense for me, without even letting me speak;
>> >>>>>seems my white cane said all she wanted to know.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>I learned after many interviews that I had to compete not as a
>> >>>>>blind applicant, but as the best applicant.  Some people tell an
>> >>>>>interviewer on the outset that they are blind or visually impaired,
>> >>>>>but I have never seen the wisdom in this.  I find that the initial
>> >>>>>hand-shake and the walk down long corridors to the interview room,
>> >>>>>finding my seat and addressing the real issues of the job have
>> >>>>>served me well.  When I have taken this attitude, ignoring my
>> >>>>>blindness as an issue, the interviews have gone much better.  I
>> >>>>>tell the interviewer that I dislike paperwork, but that I sleep
>> >>>>>much better when it is up to date;  should they ask me how I do it
>> >>>>>I say that I have PC add-ons that have served me well in the past
>> >>>>>and that it should
>> >> not be a problem with whatever system they are using.
>> >>>>>Should they ask about transportation I tell them that I got here on
>> >>>>>my own and on time and that I should have no problem.  It isn't my
>> >>>>>job to explain about adaptive equipment or transportation, just
>> >>>>>that I can do the job, then I re-focus on my strengths as a
>> >>>>>clinical social worker and how I might fit my skills into serving the
>> agency.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>If we allow disability or adaptations to become a focus of an
>> >>>>>interview instead of our skills and work ethic we have no chance
>> >>>>>for
>> >> employment.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>Just my opinion, sorry for the lecture.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>JD
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
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