[humanser] Drivers license requirement for employment

Tue Apr 15 18:29:47 UTC 2014

Good Tuesday morning,

What a great idea, finding independence via collaboration with 
someone who happens to have eyesight, not relying on some computer. 
Perhaps, some blind people could b more open to such a concept, after 
all, remember, upon recruiting Ol'Sighty to read and enter 
information into a form, or do the driving or locate something you 
have dropped, a blind person must still use their know-how to direct 
the sighted person, I.E, entering information on a form. Also, I 
don't think ol'Sighty notices the arduous means the blink often goes, 
even to accomplish basic tasks, much less do something like acquire 
and maintain a job or an education. All he seems to notice is the 
ends. Do you have a job? not, how did you do the job? Did you find 
the bus stop and  not, did you somehow, create a mental map in your 
head detailing the layout of addresses of the whole neighborhood 
before finding it completely alone, with only the help of your long white cane?
for today, Car

  01:44 AM 12/28/2013, you wrote:
>That may all be true, but the government has cut way back on clerical staff,
>so if you get behind on your case noting, it could be a real problem.
>         If you could do them in, say a word document, it might be easier to
>get a clerical person to copy and paste them into the record-keeping
>software and fill in the other fields.
>Darla
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: humanser [mailto:humanser-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Sandy
>Sent: Friday, December 27, 2013 6:43 PM
>To: blinddog3 at charter.net; 'Human Services Mailing List'
>Subject: Re: [humanser] Drivers license requirement for employment
>
>In working with my agency, they stated that an essential function of my job
>was paperwork.  I had an advocate who advised me that my essential function
>was to see clients and provide treatment.  When the agency said the Federal
>government required electronic health records, the advocate stated that the
>government does not specify who needs to put the records in to the
>electronic files.
>
>
>Sandy
>
>--------------------------------------------------
>From: "Steven Johnson" <blinddog3 at charter.net>
>Sent: Friday, December 27, 2013 7:27 PM
>To: "'Human Services Mailing List'" <humanser at nfbnet.org>
>Subject: Re: [humanser] Drivers license requirement for employment
>
> > Not if it is an essential function of the job which in many cases, it
> > is and not a secondary function.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: humanser [mailto:humanser-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> > justin williams
> > Sent: Friday, December 27, 2013 5:34 PM
> > To: 'Human Services Mailing List'
> > Subject: Re: [humanser] Drivers license requirement for employment
> >
> > I've noticed this theme of drivers license.  While it seems as if some
> > of us have acquired such jobs, several others have encountered this as
> > a barrier.
> > We must collectively come up with ways to surmount it.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: humanser [mailto:humanser-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Sandy
> > Sent: Friday, December 27, 2013 6:31 PM
> > To: Human Services Mailing List
> > Subject: Re: [humanser] Drivers license requirement for employment
> >
> > I also do own a small home that I am slowly downsizing from my family
> > who lived years in it and have passed.
> >
> > Jonathan, I believe the Mass. Commission wants driver's license.  At
> > one time, I had a blind counselor who was driven to clients' home by a
> > sighted woman.  The blindness agency in CT, as far as I know, still
> > uses some drivers.  Anyway, we seem to need to work around this driver
> > license requirement in a bunch of job placements.
> >
> >
> > Sandy
> >
> > --------------------------------------------------
> > From: "Darla Rogers" <djrogers0628 at gmail.com>
> > Sent: Friday, December 27, 2013 12:04 AM
> > To: "'Human Services Mailing List'" <humanser at nfbnet.org>
> > Subject: Re: [humanser] Drivers license requirement for employment
> >
> >> Hi Jonathan,
> >>
> >> Well, I won't be a shoulder here, but I have had to move more than I
> >> liked to accept a position, and the NFB members I have met here are
> >> pretty awesome folks.
> >> The Massachusetts Commission for the Blind was advertising jobs
> >> awhile back, too, and if I didn't own my own home, might have considered
>it.
> >> Darla
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: humanser [mailto:humanser-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> >> Jonathan Alpert
> >> Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2013 11:01 PM
> >> To: 'Human Services Mailing List'
> >> Subject: Re: [humanser] Drivers license requirement for employment
> >>
> >> Dear Darla:
> >> I greatly appreciate your assist, however, I live in the Boston MA
> >> area and don't know anyone in the KC area. If I did, I would consider
> >> it. Thank you for your help.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: humanser [mailto:humanser-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> >> Darla Rogers
> >> Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2013 11:34 PM
> >> To: 'Human Services Mailing List'
> >> Subject: Re: [humanser] Drivers license requirement for employment
> >>
> >> Dear Jonathan,
> >>
> >> Missouri (Kansas City) has 2 VR counselor positions open with
> >> Rehabilitation Services for the Blind; you have your masters, and you
> >> don't need to be CRC certified to apply.
> >> If you are at all interested, drop me a line at
> >>
> >> djrogers0628 at gmail.com
> >>
> >> with your Email address, and I'll forward you the notice.
> >> Darla
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: humanser [mailto:humanser-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> >> Jonathan Alpert
> >> Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2013 8:58 PM
> >> To: 'Human Services Mailing List'
> >> Subject: Re: [humanser] Drivers license requirement for employment
> >>
> >> Hi Ashley
> >>
> >> I have a Master's degree in mental health counseling and a CAGS as
> >> well. I have 10 years of experience and yet, I can not find fulltime
> > employment.
> >>
> >> I currently work for a large agency and they require a driver's
> >> license. I find this to be true for a great number of agencies.
> >> I currently work for a group home within the agency. I cannot give
> >> out medications as I would not be able to identify them.  I also am
> >> not able to do much with a printed paper, whether it is a doctor's
> >> note or just a general form.
> >>
> >> In resent months, I have entertained the idea of trying  to try my
> >> hands in a different field but I have no idea what I would do. It's
> >> just very frustrating.
> >>
> >> Jonathan
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: humanser [mailto:humanser-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> >> Ashley Bramlett
> >> Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2013 5:28 PM
> >> To: Human Services Mailing List
> >> Subject: Re: [humanser] Drivers license requirement for employment
> >>
> >> Hi Jonathan,
> >> What is your education in? I hope you find employment.
> >> Its discouraging to hear those with masters out of work. Perhaps, you
> >> are one of them?
> >> Its hard now a days, too much cut backs.
> >> I'd encourage you to network. Join a professional association and go
> >> to conferences of your field.
> >> Hope something comes up for you.
> >>
> >> Ashley
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Jonathan Alpert
> >> Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2013 2:16 PM
> >> To: 'Human Services Mailing List'
> >> Subject: Re: [humanser] Drivers license requirement for employment
> >>
> >> I have had much difficulty in obtaining fulltime employment despite
> >> all my education and experience. I started to write a negative
> >> response , but don't want to discurrage anyone.
> >>
> >> Jonathan
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: humanser [mailto:humanser-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> >> justin williams
> >> Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2013 1:41 PM
> >> To: 'Human Services Mailing List'
> >> Subject: Re: [humanser] Drivers license requirement for employment
> >>
> >> I agree with that.  This is not trying to tell anyone else how to
> >> conduct their job interview, but you have to make the employer
> >> comfortable with you, and sometimes, that is explaining to thme how a
> >> job can be done using assistive technology.  You don't have to reveal
> >> the whole thing, and make it a grand show, but describing the tools
> >> of blindness pertaining to the job is something that an interviewee
> >> should do as a basic overview.
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: humanser [mailto:humanser-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> >> Sandy
> >> Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2013 12:54 PM
> >> To: Human Services Mailing List; Carly Mihalakis
> >> Subject: Re: [humanser] Drivers license requirement for employment
> >>
> >> Carlee,
> >>
> >> I understand your point.  In my opinion, when I go for an interview
> >> and the employer knows nothing about my blindness, I am sure he/she
> >> is going to wonder how paperwork and so on will get done.  I think
> >> that telling the employer one's abilities, if you use cognitive
> >> theory, etc. is important.
> >> Secondary to that, I believe it is okay for me to give information as
> >> to how certain parts of the job can be handled by me.  Blindness is
> >> not the same type of characteristic as hair color, for example.
> >>
> >>
> >> Sandy
> >>
> >> --------------------------------------------------
> >> From: "Carly Mihalakis" <carlymih at comcast.net>
> >> Sent: Wednesday, December 25, 2013 4:58 AM
> >> To: "Sandy" <sandraburgess at msn.com>; "Human Services Mailing List"
> >> <humanser at nfbnet.org>; "Human Services Mailing List"
> >> <humanser at nfbnet.org>
> >> Subject: Re: [humanser] Drivers license requirement for employment
> >>
> >>> Good morning,
> >>>
> >>> It would seem to me that, inflicting a shocked state on to someone
> >>> who interacts with you most likely will reduce conditions to that
> >>> which many blind people resent, being seeing only for blindness and
> >>> not for the flaming and colorful people, we often are.
> >>> I believe in blindness being so mythic amongst sighted cultures
> >>> that, among the things of which we are without is a presumed
> >>> entitlement of anonymity, blindness forever being a presence I came
> >>> to know in deviance class, a master status or the single
> >>> characteristic beyond anything else by which you are identified I.E
> >>> Black president, gay
> >> teacher, deaf Ms.
> >>> America among many others. It could be a sort of game.
> >>>
> >>> So, I do digress, it seems honest just to tell a potential employer
> >>> this identifying characteristic of your's. After all, would you have
> >>> a problem disclosing that you might be a blond, a redhead or Chinese?
> >>> for today, Car
> >>>
> >>> .
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>Sandy
> >>>>
> >>>>--------------------------------------------------
> >>>>From: "JD Townsend" <43210 at Bellsouth.net>
> >>>>Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2013 10:29 PM
> >>>>To: "Human Services Mailing List" <humanser at nfbnet.org>
> >>>>Subject: Re: [humanser] Drivers license requirement for employment
> >>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Sadly some folks are prejudice on the outset.  I took a 2 hour trip
> >>>>>for an interview once and the interviewer told me at the door that
> >>>>>the job was too intense for me, without even letting me speak;
> >>>>>seems my white cane said all she wanted to know.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>I learned after many interviews that I had to compete not as a
> >>>>>blind applicant, but as the best applicant.  Some people tell an
> >>>>>interviewer on the outset that they are blind or visually impaired,
> >>>>>but I have never seen the wisdom in this.  I find that the initial
> >>>>>hand-shake and the walk down long corridors to the interview room,
> >>>>>finding my seat and addressing the real issues of the job have
> >>>>>served me well.  When I have taken this attitude, ignoring my
> >>>>>blindness as an issue, the interviews have gone much better.  I
> >>>>>tell the interviewer that I dislike paperwork, but that I sleep
> >>>>>much better when it is up to date;  should they ask me how I do it
> >>>>>I say that I have PC add-ons that have served me well in the past
> >>>>>and that it should
> >> not be a problem with whatever system they are using.
> >>>>>Should they ask about transportation I tell them that I got here on
> >>>>>my own and on time and that I should have no problem.  It isn't my
> >>>>>job to explain about adaptive equipment or transportation, just
> >>>>>that I can do the job, then I re-focus on my strengths as a
> >>>>>clinical social worker and how I might fit my skills into serving the
>agency.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>If we allow disability or adaptations to become a focus of an
> >>>>>interview instead of our skills and work ethic we have no chance
> >>>>>for
> >> employment.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Just my opinion, sorry for the lecture.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>JD
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
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