[humanser] Recording for note taking

Sat May 24 20:11:29 UTC 2014

karen,
Oh my gosh. Recording without their knowledge is illegal!
Also, as I stated earlier, she cannot use braille due to finger sensativity 
issue.

Karen, this is a bright professional and when she says her only means of 
notetaking is recording, she means it for a good reason.

Ashley

-----Original Message----- 
From: Karen Rose via humanser
Sent: Saturday, May 24, 2014 10:50 AM
To: Dr. Chappell ; Human Services Mailing List
Cc: Doug Lee ; Human Services Mailing List
Subject: Re: [humanser] Recording for note taking

Hi – why not take notes with a braille note taker? Or why not simply record 
on your phone from inside your purse and no one would ever know? Everyone 
else seems to be using their phones for this purpose. Smile. Karen

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 24, 2014, at 9:37 AM, "Dr. Chappell via humanser" 
> <humanser at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> Doug,
> You spoke directly to my reasons for emphasing the request:
> 1. Obtain means to control my record of the meeting independent of any 
> other
> control; or arrange for the communication to be in writing in the first
> place.
>
> 2. Prevent any communication that could later be misrepresented with no
> means of defense.
> Thank you for the encouragement and notable awareness. I will proceed with
> caution.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: humanser [mailto:humanser-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Doug Lee
> via humanser
> Sent: Saturday, May 24, 2014 8:39 AM
> To: Dr. Chappell via humanser
> Subject: Re: [humanser] Recording for note taking
>
> This is not a legal opinion, and I do not possess sufficient legal 
> knowledge
> to render one. This is a personal opinion...
>
> This sounds very strange to me from the beginning, as if they have 
> something
> to say of which they want limited if any record. I would, in your 
> position,
> want control of who is taking the notes if I didn't do it myself, and I
> would want to know if it is legal for me to insist that I choose my
> assistant and without providing any advance notice of who I will bring to
> the meeting. I would also want to know if it is legal for me to insist on
> permission to record the meeting, since it sounds like the substance of 
> the
> meeting concerns you and would not contain sensitive information about
> anyone else. Finally, I wonder if perhaps the organizers of the meeting
> would be willing to provide you with the same information in writing 
> rather
> than by talking to you in a meeting whose record you are being forbidden 
> to
> control. If it is any official communication to you, such as a performance
> problem, a written account should not be a problem I would think.
>
> The specific goals of my response to this situation would be as follows, 
> and
> I would want both met properly:
>
> 1. Obtain means to control my record of the meeting independent of any 
> other
> control; or arrange for the communication to be in writing in the first
> place.
>
> 2. Prevent any communication that could later be misrepresented with no
> means of defense.
>
> I believe you were, and are, wise to pursue those goals with 
> determination.
>
> Best of luck to you.
>
> On Sat, May 24, 2014 at 04:29:11AM -0400, Dr. Chappell via humanser wrote:
> I am wondering if anyone on this list has in depth familiarity with ADA
> mandates regarding reasonable accommodations in the work place. After
> recording notes in all personnel meetings, committee meetings, and staff
> meetings for the past 5 years, since my hire date, I was denied the
> opportunity. Today, when I arrived at what I perceived to be an  oddly 
> timed
> last minute meeting I was told that I would not be able to record the 
> notes
> during a meeting that was solely about my role. When I reminded the unit
> manager that this is and always has been my means of note taking, she told
> me that "recording had never been authorized and would not be allowed. I
> declined the meeting and noted I would not meet without being able to take
> notes. I was told that someone in HR could attend and take notes on my
> behalf. When I agreed to this, I was told that this option would not be
> available for this meeting as that resource had not been  notified. I
> requested that the meeting be rescheduled. Though the two individuals who
> had scheduled the meeting seemed aggravated by my request, I believed it 
> to
> be a reasonable accommodation.
>
> Does anyone have any knowledge on the topic of reasonable accommodations 
> in
> the workplace?
>
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