[humanser] Three months ago I started a new job all employees are required to complete online on board training within 30 days; I have not

Fri Jul 8 16:00:13 UTC 2016

Erica, Elaine
Thank you for sharing. I would like to clarify do not consider my VR counselor to be a jerk. Actually, she has believed in me and supported me in ways that many others have not.

I have an idea of what you're saying about disclosure. I do not disclose secondary disabilities. The first one vision loss is rather obvious. I think JD some things up nicely in this area that is we are hired because of our skills.

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> On Jul 8, 2016, at 7:13 AM, Ericka via Humanser <humanser at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> I can tell you're using dictate so don't worry. I worked up until late years ago and after I got my seizures taken care of I couldn't find another job. I think seizures are more dangerous than being blind in a work situation when it comes to finding employment.The last couple years or so I've been seizure free and feel that I could never disclose; but before they were so sporadic that I didn't want to put anyone into a pickle. After all, I was treated differently after I had a seizure at the nursing home I was working at years ago. I was hired with cane in my hand but after I had that seizure, staff looked at me differently and didn't want me to be there as often. I couldn't prove it so I just worked through it. DVR wasn't much help trying to get my hours back. I was just so thankful I had a job that like you, I didn't want to "rock the boat" Lisa. I'm so grateful that the NFB is starting to find ways to help people with dual diagnosis. They're starting with the kids for the next generation, but I'm really happy there doing this. There's a lot of us out there that are dying to work.
> 
> Ericka Short
> "What is right is not always popular; what is popular is not always right."
> 
> from my iPhone 6s
> 
>> On Jul 7, 2016, at 8:38 PM, Lisa Irving via Humanser <humanser at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Justin,
>> 
>> My undergraduate degree may has well have been in accountability and documentation I exceed in both areas and yes, I am documenting what's been transpiring at work. Any emails that I write I send to my personal email address. At this point I am keeping them on the phone. By the way how do you create a folder using the iPhone? I want to create a folder where I can store the work-related emails that I am sending to myself.
>> 
>> I am Magent that many folks on this list can relate to what it's like to be unemployed for long periods of time. That is why I have been trying to be very careful to not rock the boat. That's why I came in on what should have been my day off. The phone dictate feature should have said the word imagine.
>> 
>> Please keep the great ideas good energy and thoughtful prayers coming. From Lisa
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jul 6, 2016, at 3:43 AM, justin via Humanser <humanser at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I would like to tell you to trust the supervisor, but I really don't like
>>> that, sense your supervisor probably does not have any authority to even say
>>> that.  
>>> That is your last option hopefully, because it may become your only option;
>>> be prepared for that, and keep a journal of what's going on.
>>> Decide how important some of that hard copy paperwork from fairs are.  
>>> You'll either have to use a reader, or an OCR program.
>>> Ashley had so good suggestions for that.
>>> The part I'd be more deliberate  about is the paperwork you can't fill out.
>>> 
>>> Your state agency for the blind may be able teach your organization how to
>>> make those accessible.  A read would work for those as well.  You could have
>>> someone type those up if they don't change, so you have them, then you could
>>> just tell someone your answers, or send them in an e-mail.
>>> Those are a few possibilities, and I'll send more when I think of them.
>>> 
>>> You said that you and your supervisor gabbed a lot and she occasionally
>>> read you a question.  Keep her focused as best you can, remember, it's your
>>> paperwork, not hers.  She could turn that around and say you gabbed a lot if
>>> she is questioned.  
>>> The supervisor is the accommodation in this case, so don't waste that.  On
>>> your day off, that was a realy advantageous time to take care of that. 
>>> I understand not wanted to rock the boat, and going along to get along.  I
>>> don't like the fact that you had to come in on your off day, that's actually
>>> unfair, but we can make an exception to complete the new hire paperwork. 
>>> Justin
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Humanser [mailto:humanser-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ashley
>>> Bramlett via Humanser
>>> Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2016 12:17 AM
>>> To: Human Services Division Mailing List <humanser at nfbnet.org>
>>> Cc: Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>>> Subject: Re: [humanser] Three months ago I started a new job all employees
>>> are required to complete online on board training within 30 days; I have not
>>> 
>>> Lisa,
>>> I needed to shorten the subject, hope that was okay.
>>> 
>>> Wow, what a delima. Sorry to write so much today but I had time tonight and
>>> had a lot of employment questions and concerns on my mind as I'm about to be
>>> interviewed myself and have wondered how I'd integrate needing accomodations
>>> while also selling myself to the employer coupled with the fact I don't know
>>> if I will need scripting for the software and things like that.
>>> 
>>> Your situation struck a chord with me Lisa! I know how it is to be on a
>>> deadline and not have things accessible and also have a place where people
>>> are spread thin with no one to assist when you need them. I've be an intern
>>> and volunteer and these situations have arisen.
>>> 
>>> When I did the security awareness training for being a tutor, another tutor
>>> had to sit with me and read the screen to me. My supervisor arranged it so
>>> they had no students to see so they would be free to help me.
>>> Like you, my supervisor also helped me with some training such as the online
>>> tests where she filled in my answers.
>>> And just like your situation, the supervisor's schedule and mine often
>>> conflicted. Oh, and the supervisor being too busy to assist you sounds very,
>>> very familiar! I'm not blaming the supervisor, btw, I'm just stating the
>>> facts. She did what she could to help but also had many duties.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Lisa, I hope things work out. Is there any way you can bring a reader into
>>> work with you to complete training? Maybe a friend or look for a college
>>> student who has flexibility In the day.
>>> 
>>> Here are ideas for other problems you brought up.
>>> 
>>> 1. The  photocopier: some are touch screens and inaccessible. Others have
>>> buttons. Can you label the buttons in braille or tactile marks? Since I
>>> believe you have some vision, maybe a magnifier would work.
>>> 
>>> 2. The hard copy resources in the mailbox:
>>> again, I think a reader is the best solution and you can record the
>>> information on a digital recorder.
>>> Alternatively, an OCR speech program that scans and reads text may also
>>> work. I personally like Openbook made by freedom scientific. If you are
>>> permitted to use an iphone, the KNFB reader Ap might also work. Another
>>> scanning solution is on the book reader made by Hims, its called the Blaze
>>> EZ.
>>> 
>>> 3. The hard copy forms: sounds like a reader whether it be your supervisor
>>> or someone else will be needed.
>>> 
>>> That's too bad the supervisor said to only come to her. I've been at liberty
>>> to ask coworkers for help if I need it, but I've not been employed full
>>> time.
>>> 
>>> Lisa, I think all your accomodation issues are a very good example why its
>>> so hard for blind people to find and maintain employment. Once we have jobs,
>>> it may be difficult to keep them for the very reasons you articulated.
>>> 
>>> I'm afraid I cannot offer much advice. But just know you are not the only
>>> one struggling to find or keep employment.
>>> 
>>> Ashley
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Lisa Irving via Humanser
>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2016 11:38 PM
>>> To: humanser at nfbnet.org
>>> Cc: Lisa Irving
>>> Subject: [humanser] Three months ago I started a new job all employees
>>> arerequired to complete online on board training within 30 days;I have not. 
>>> My employer has Agnello just they are aware that a numberof platforms they
>>> use including some for on boarding trainingare not ADA compliant. Six weeks
>>> ago my employer provided mewith the transcripts and answers to the
>>> corresponding quizzesfor on boarding training purposes Per my supervisors
>>> requestI read the transcripts and let her know that I had completedthose
>>> tasks at that point I and my supervisor notified humanresources that I had
>>> read the transcripts. My supervisor andI thought this meant I had completed
>>> training requirementshowever substandard Workplace accommodations: quite the
>>> quandary
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Two weeks ago my supervisor called me into her office. Essentially she has
>>> been tasked with reading the tests to me and listening to some of the audio
>>> information she's also been tasked with filling in my responses. As you can
>>> imagine this is very time intensive for both of us are schedules typically
>>> conflict. This leads me to the very uncomfortable part of this message.
>>> 
>>> Initially my supervisor started feeling in my responses with her responses. 
>>> At that point I had expressed concern and I was met with something to the
>>> effect of well we just have to get this done last Friday I was scheduled to
>>> be off of work however she and I agreed that I would come in to complete the
>>> on boarding training requirements. For the most part we pretty much set in
>>> gabbed occasionally she would read and answer and typically she would
>>> complete the response. Again I expressed some concern. Yesterday morning my
>>> supervisor changed my schedule that is I was scheduled to go into the
>>> community and facilitate a meeting. I was instructed to remain in the office
>>> in order to complete the on boarding training requirements. My supervisor
>>> and I have been tasked with completing these requirements by July 8. I
>>> reported to my supervisors office and Lauren learned that she had some other
>>> things to take care of that point I was instructed to go and work on my
>>> articles so .  I am afraid to ask her if she completed my tests. I don't
>>> number of occasions I expressed fear of doing something wrong and egg
>>> knowledge that I am on the hook for knowing the material. Granted some of
>>> the information does not apply to us however I value my job and I value
>>> being ethical. I am really in a dilemma. My supervisor assured me there is
>>> nothing to worry about. Well we all know what rolls downhill and we know
>>> typically who it it's usually not management.
>>> 
>>> I am encountering some aspects of my job that whether I like it or not do
>>> necessitate some sighted assistance. This is very true when it comes to
>>> using the photocopier; oh dread! Furthermore my coworkers will come a
>>> crossed resources and share them with me. These resources are in hardcopy
>>> and are put in my mailbox as well as the mailboxes of my coworkers. Often
>>> these resources are picked up at fares and meetings and other places of
>>> interest. Additionally, well there are some portions of paperwork that I can
>>> complete. I have subsequently learned that a couple of forms have very faded
>>> print that his boxes that we are supposed to check off needless to say since
>>> the forms are not being converted into a usable format I need sighted
>>> assistance very recently my supervisor instructed me to only come to her as
>>> we are spread very thin and other employees are tasked with completing their
>>> own assignments. As you can imagine this is problematic because my
>>> supervisor and I are not always in the office or available at the same time.
>>> 
>>> Today, pretty much everything hit the fan for most of us. We were without
>>> our computers. The good news is one employee had some downtime to do some
>>> reading and help me with some photocopying this is great but I have to tell
>>> you it is very stressful never knowing who to go to and when someone is
>>> available to help what do you do?
>>> 
>>> While all of this and other things mostly good are going on I have contacted
>>> the job accommodations network and frankly I have found them pretty useless.
>>> 
>>> Once I was passed off to the California office called Department of fair
>>> employment and housing Darian the last time I was passed off to disability
>>> rights of California however the name is deceptive. They do not advocate or
>>> work to advocate when it comes to work issues. This organization seems to
>>> mostly help advocate for clients were having challenges with department of
>>> rehabilitation I have learned that the only way the Department of fair
>>> employment and housing and will assist me is for me to file a grievance I
>>> don't think this is particularly favorable because I am a new employee; I am
>>> on probation and, well, let's face it I don't want to rock the boat. I also
>>> don't want to get canned. That according to my supervisor isn't even close
>>> to being issue.
>>> 
>>> I am feeling a bit overwhelmed. I really would like to learn how others
>>> handle these circumstances. I do enjoy my job I will admit I feel less and
>>> less supported in some areas of my work.
>>> 
>>> From,
>>> Lisa Irving
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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