[il-talk] Fwd: Illinois ConstitutionalConventionNoticeVoterInformation
PITTMAN ENTERPRISES & ASSOCIATES
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Thu Nov 6 13:02:20 UTC 2008
Thanks Ronza for that clarification. That's pretty crappy.
----- Original Message -----
From: <AZNOR99 at aol.com>
To: <il-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 1:16 PM
Subject: Re: [il-talk] Fwd: Illinois
ConstitutionalConventionNoticeVoterInformation
> Debbie,
>
> Yes, I am saying that the written question and the one read to us on the
> ballot were not the same. They tried to get at the same issue, but they
> each
> had different language. The language used on the recording was judged by
> a
> court to be bias, misleading, and invalid.
>
> Ronza
>
>
> In a message dated 11/5/2008 11:19:39 A.M. Central Standard Time,
> kelly at dls.net writes:
>
> The written question was a reworded version of the recorded one.
>
> Kelly
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "CONCERNED CITIZENS OF PARATRANSIT"
> <concernedcitizens at cometlink.com>
> To: "NFB of Illinois Mailing List" <il-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 6:38 AM
> Subject: Re: [il-talk] Fwd: Illinois Constitutional
> ConventionNoticeVoterInformation
>
>
>> Ronza,
>>
>> Are you saying that the recorded question was not the same as the
>> written
>> question?
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: <AZNOR99 at aol.com>
>> To: <il-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 11:44 PM
>> Subject: Re: [il-talk] Fwd: Illinois Constitutional Convention
>> NoticeVoterInformation
>>
>>
>>>I was never given one at all. I had to use the question that was
>>>recorded
>>> by the audio ballot that had been stricken as bias. Anyone else?
>>>
>>> Ronza
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> In a message dated 11/4/2008 12:20:43 A.M. Central Standard Time,
>>> kelly at dls.net writes:
>>>
>>> I was given the information in large, clear print as was everyone
>>> else.
>>> The
>>> judge that I handed my application for early voting to asked me if I
>>> could
>>> read it or if he should read it to me. I was able to read it and told
>>> him
>>> so. Believe me, with the amount of time I had to wait to vote, I had
>>> plenty
>>> of time to consider the issue.
>>>
>>> Kelly
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: <AZNOR99 at aol.com>
>>> To: <iabs-talk at nfbnet.org>; <il-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 7:21 PM
>>> Subject: [il-talk] Fwd: Illinois Constitutional Convention Notice
>>> VoterInformation
>>>
>>>
>>>>I sent a message to the Chicago Bar Association to ask what guidance
>>>>they
>>>> might offer someone who is blind or print disabled. Their response
>>>> is
>>>> below.
>>>> Basically, an election judge is required to read the question to
>>>> anyone
>>>> with
>>>> low vision or blindness prior to their entering the voting booth.
>>>> Has
>>>> this
>>>> happened to those of you who participated in early voting? I'm
>>>> curious
>>>> as to
>>>> how many of us will actually have an election judge do this.
>>>>
>>>> Ronza
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ____________________________________
>>>> From: bmcmeen at chicagobar.org
>>>> To: AZNOR99 at aol.com
>>>> CC: pollwatcher at chicagobar.org
>>>> Sent: 11/3/2008 4:58:49 P.M. Central Standard Time
>>>> Subj: RE: Illinois Constitutional Convention Notice Voter
>>>> Information
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Dear Ronza: I have been informed that in the judgment that Judge
>>>> Howse
>>>> entered as well as his supplemental order that was entered last week
>>>> explicitly
>>>> requires the judges of election to read the Corrective Notice to
>>>> every
>>>> voter
>>>> who is vision impaired.
>>>> Please let us know if you have any other questions.
>>>> Beth
>>>>
>>>> Beth McMeen
>>>> CLE Director
>>>> The Chicago Bar Association
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: AZNOR99 at aol.com [mailto:AZNOR99 at aol.com]
>>>> Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2008 7:32 PM
>>>> To: cle at chicagobar.org
>>>> Subject: Re: Illinois Constitutional Convention Notice Voter
>>>> Information
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I want to know if it is a further violation to provide the document
>>>> in
>>>> written form on election day but not provide a mechanism for reading
>>>> it
>>>> for those
>>>> of us who have print disabilities such as blindness. For example,
>>>> the
>>>> ballot
>>>> itself is now in an audio form for those of us who need such an
>>>> accommodation under the Help America Vote Act. Would the provision
>>>> of
>>>> written notice at
>>>> the polling site constitute a violation of this Act since there
>>>> would
>>>> be
>>>> no
>>>> effective way for blind and print disabled voters to read it
>>>> independently?
>>>>
>>>> Ronza Othman
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> In a message dated 10/31/2008 2:59:25 P.M. Central Standard Time,
>>>> cle at chicagobar.org writes:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Dear CBA Member:
>>>> As you have probably heard, the CBA has filed suit challenging the
>>>> form
>>>> of
>>>> the ballot for the referendum in the upcoming election about the
>>>> calling
>>>> of a
>>>> Constitutional Convention in Illinois. The CBA has not taken a
>>>> position
>>>> supporting or opposing holding a Constitutional Convention. Our
>>>> lawsuit
>>>> is simply
>>>> intended to ensure that the referendum is conducted in a fair and
>>>> constitutional manner.
>>>> The circuit and appellate courts have agreed with us that the form of
>>>> ballot
>>>> certified by the State Board of Elections is inaccurate, biased,
>>>> and
>>>> misleading. The courts have ordered that each voter, before voting,
>>>> be
>>>> given a
>>>> "Corrective Notice" in the form of the attached pdf file entitled
>>>> "Con-Con
>>>> Notice." All voters throughout Illinois are supposed to receive the
>>>> Notice,
>>>> including those voting by absentee ballot, Early Voting, and on
>>>> Election
>>>> Day.
>>>> We believe that the Corrective Notice does not adequately remedy the
>>>> legally
>>>> defective ballot, and we intend to file a petition for leave to
>>>> appeal
>>>> after
>>>> the election asking the Supreme Court to decide that issue. In the
>>>> meantime,
>>>> however, we have received reports that some voters are not receiving
>>>> the
>>>> Corrective Notice. To attempt to determine the extent of compliance
>>>> or
>>>> noncompliance with the court orders requiring distribution of the
>>> Notice,
>>>> we are
>>>> asking voters to fill-out the attached one-page affidavit (the pdf
>>>> file
>>>> entitled
>>>> "Con-Con Affidavit
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ") and return it to the CBA at pollwatcher at chicagobar.org
>>>> <mailto:pollwatcher at chicagobar.org> or by fax to (312) 554-2054.
>>>> Please feel free to forward this email to your colleagues, friends
>>>> and
>>>> family. They should likewise feel free to forward the email to other
>>>> Illinois
>>>> voters. The more responses we receive, the better we will be able to
>>>> assess the
>>>> extent to which the remedy prescribed by the courts has been
>>>> implemented.
>>>> I am proud that our Association has taken a leadership role in this
>>>> matter.
>>>> With your assistance, we can try to ensure that the remedy fashioned
>>>> by
>>>> the
>>>> courts does not prove to be illusory.
>>>> Thank you for your help.
>>>> Sincerely,
>>>> Terrence M. Murphy
>>>> Executive Director
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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