[il-talk] blind person in the loop

Wed May 6 15:38:07 UTC 2009

hi edwin, thanks for the update. i haven't seen mr. H. in a long time and don't remember the cane.
joe monti

--- On Tue, 5/5/09, Edwin Rodriguez <conibodyworks at gmail.com> wrote:

From: Edwin Rodriguez <conibodyworks at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [il-talk] blind person in the loop
To: "NFB of Illinois Mailing List" <il-talk at nfbnet.org>
Date: Tuesday, May 5, 2009, 5:19 PM

Sorry Joe,
I hang out with Robert H quite a bit. Just a quick note to mention that he
always uses a NFB white long cane with pride.
Just a quick correction.
Respectfully submitted.

Edwin
----- Original Message ----- From: "JOSEPH MONTI"
<jlmonti at sbcglobal.net>
To: "NFB of Illinois Mailing List" <il-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 2:23 PM
Subject: Re: [il-talk] blind person in the loop

> hr. H, if the person had a white cane in his hand and was about to step
into traffic i think a good samaritan has the right to pull that blind person
out of harm's way. if i recall you don't use a cane.your making this
person into a villain rather than a hero.
> joe monti
> 
> --- On Tue, 5/5/09, Robert A. Hansen <roberthansen1970 at gmail.com>
wrote:
> 
> From: Robert A. Hansen <roberthansen1970 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [il-talk] blind person in the loop
> To: "NFB of Illinois Mailing List" <il-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Date: Tuesday, May 5, 2009, 1:41 PM
> 
> My point is you do not go up and put your hands on other people.  I like
my
> space and do not want people putting their hands on me.  People are
sensative to
> that kind of thing.  We don't have to put up with people grabbing us.
> It's our right to not have to deal with that stuff.  I do not like it
and
> neither should this guy or anybody else.
> 
> 
> JOSEPH MONTI wrote:
>> mr. H, why does blindness preclulde someone from being a jerk. i know
a
> lot blind people who ARE jerks and alot who aren't. i know a lot of
sighted
> people who ARE jerks. i have had people grab me on the subway as the train
was
> coming. I thanked them and then told them it was the wrong train, which it
was.
> no big deal.
>> if someone grabs a person and pulls that person out of traffic and
> possibly save his life, i think that helper is a hero. sometimes there is
no
> time for  manners and pleasantries. we often do things instinctually like
the
> boy on the bus throwing himself in front of the girl who was about to be
shot.
> he died. if you recall a few years ago Mancow, a local dj , said be nice
to
> blind people, because they are dumb. he soon lost his job as he should. we
> cannot put labels on sighted or blind people. also i did not see mr. H
sign that
> letter. or did the trib not print it?
>> joe monti
>> 
>> --- On Mon, 5/4/09, Robert Hansen <roberthansen1970 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>> 
>> From: Robert Hansen <roberthansen1970 at gmail.com>
>> Subject: [il-talk] blind person in the loop
>> To: tribmag at tribune.com, "NFB of Illinois Mailing List"
> <il-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Date: Monday, May 4, 2009, 1:53 PM
>> 
>> In regards to this burning question;
>> 
>> I am a vlind/visually impared individual who has dealt with being
grabbed
> by
>> the arm quite frequently.  I do not know what the person grabbing me
wants
>> to do.  I do not know if they are a pick pocket artist.  I do not know
if
>> they want to "send me to my sudden death" as you put it.  I
do
> not
>> know if
>> this person is a psychotic or on drugs.  I do not know what this
person
>> wants to do.  Technically that is in violation of my rights.  Nobody
has
> the
>> right to put their hands on anybody.  That is called assault and the
last
>> time I checked assault is a crime.  The individual who submitted this
>> question should have gone home or back to their place of work, Googled
>> blindness information and would have found many resources readily
> available
>> to read.  This person did the wrong thing by writing an uninformed
person
> at
>> a newspaper that knows nothing about blindness.
>> 
>> There are two major organizations that deal with blindness issues and
many
>> smaller ones as well.  The two major organizations are, the National
>> Federation of the Blind  http://www.nfb.org  and the American Council
of
> the
>> Blind   http://www.acb.org .  Either of these organizations would have
>> offered answers to this "livid in the Loop's" questions.
>> 
>> I really think Livid and the person who wrote these pieces should
really
>> attend a local chaper meeting of these two organization.  The National
>> Federation of the Blind Illinois, Chicago chapter meets every second
>> Saturday of the month at the ExChequer Pub located at 226 South Wabash
> Ave.
>> The meeting starts around 1pm.  Matter of fact, there is a meeting of
the
>> NFBI Chicago chapter this Saturday.  Both of you should come.
>> 
>> One thing, we are NOT "jerks."  Please do not ever call us
that.
> Educate
>> yourselves.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sincerely,
>> 
>> 
>> Not a Blind Jerek in Chicago, attending a local university.
>> 
>> 
>> have a nice day
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