[il-talk] blind person in the loop

Wed May 6 21:45:34 UTC 2009

No problem
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "JOSEPH MONTI" <jlmonti at sbcglobal.net>
To: "NFB of Illinois Mailing List" <il-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 10:38 AM
Subject: Re: [il-talk] blind person in the loop


> hi edwin, thanks for the update. i haven't seen mr. H. in a long time and 
> don't remember the cane.
> joe monti
>
> --- On Tue, 5/5/09, Edwin Rodriguez <conibodyworks at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> From: Edwin Rodriguez <conibodyworks at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [il-talk] blind person in the loop
> To: "NFB of Illinois Mailing List" <il-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Date: Tuesday, May 5, 2009, 5:19 PM
>
> Sorry Joe,
> I hang out with Robert H quite a bit. Just a quick note to mention that he
> always uses a NFB white long cane with pride.
> Just a quick correction.
> Respectfully submitted.
>
> Edwin
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "JOSEPH MONTI"
> <jlmonti at sbcglobal.net>
> To: "NFB of Illinois Mailing List" <il-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 2:23 PM
> Subject: Re: [il-talk] blind person in the loop
>
>
>> hr. H, if the person had a white cane in his hand and was about to step
> into traffic i think a good samaritan has the right to pull that blind 
> person
> out of harm's way. if i recall you don't use a cane.your making this
> person into a villain rather than a hero.
>> joe monti
>>
>> --- On Tue, 5/5/09, Robert A. Hansen <roberthansen1970 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> From: Robert A. Hansen <roberthansen1970 at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [il-talk] blind person in the loop
>> To: "NFB of Illinois Mailing List" <il-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Date: Tuesday, May 5, 2009, 1:41 PM
>>
>> My point is you do not go up and put your hands on other people.  I like
> my
>> space and do not want people putting their hands on me.  People are
> sensative to
>> that kind of thing.  We don't have to put up with people grabbing us.
>> It's our right to not have to deal with that stuff.  I do not like it
> and
>> neither should this guy or anybody else.
>>
>>
>> JOSEPH MONTI wrote:
>>> mr. H, why does blindness preclulde someone from being a jerk. i know
> a
>> lot blind people who ARE jerks and alot who aren't. i know a lot of
> sighted
>> people who ARE jerks. i have had people grab me on the subway as the 
>> train
> was
>> coming. I thanked them and then told them it was the wrong train, which 
>> it
> was.
>> no big deal.
>>> if someone grabs a person and pulls that person out of traffic and
>> possibly save his life, i think that helper is a hero. sometimes there is
> no
>> time for  manners and pleasantries. we often do things instinctually like
> the
>> boy on the bus throwing himself in front of the girl who was about to be
> shot.
>> he died. if you recall a few years ago Mancow, a local dj , said be nice
> to
>> blind people, because they are dumb. he soon lost his job as he should. 
>> we
>> cannot put labels on sighted or blind people. also i did not see mr. H
> sign that
>> letter. or did the trib not print it?
>>> joe monti
>>>
>>> --- On Mon, 5/4/09, Robert Hansen <roberthansen1970 at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> From: Robert Hansen <roberthansen1970 at gmail.com>
>>> Subject: [il-talk] blind person in the loop
>>> To: tribmag at tribune.com, "NFB of Illinois Mailing List"
>> <il-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Date: Monday, May 4, 2009, 1:53 PM
>>>
>>> In regards to this burning question;
>>>
>>> I am a vlind/visually impared individual who has dealt with being
> grabbed
>> by
>>> the arm quite frequently.  I do not know what the person grabbing me
> wants
>>> to do.  I do not know if they are a pick pocket artist.  I do not know
> if
>>> they want to "send me to my sudden death" as you put it.  I
> do
>> not
>>> know if
>>> this person is a psychotic or on drugs.  I do not know what this
> person
>>> wants to do.  Technically that is in violation of my rights.  Nobody
> has
>> the
>>> right to put their hands on anybody.  That is called assault and the
> last
>>> time I checked assault is a crime.  The individual who submitted this
>>> question should have gone home or back to their place of work, Googled
>>> blindness information and would have found many resources readily
>> available
>>> to read.  This person did the wrong thing by writing an uninformed
> person
>> at
>>> a newspaper that knows nothing about blindness.
>>>
>>> There are two major organizations that deal with blindness issues and
> many
>>> smaller ones as well.  The two major organizations are, the National
>>> Federation of the Blind  http://www.nfb.org  and the American Council
> of
>> the
>>> Blind   http://www.acb.org .  Either of these organizations would have
>>> offered answers to this "livid in the Loop's" questions.
>>>
>>> I really think Livid and the person who wrote these pieces should
> really
>>> attend a local chaper meeting of these two organization.  The National
>>> Federation of the Blind Illinois, Chicago chapter meets every second
>>> Saturday of the month at the ExChequer Pub located at 226 South Wabash
>> Ave.
>>> The meeting starts around 1pm.  Matter of fact, there is a meeting of
> the
>>> NFBI Chicago chapter this Saturday.  Both of you should come.
>>>
>>> One thing, we are NOT "jerks."  Please do not ever call us
> that.
>> Educate
>>> yourselves.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sincerely,
>>>
>>>
>>> Not a Blind Jerek in Chicago, attending a local university.
>>>
>>>
>>> have a nice day
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