[il-talk] Frustrated

Edwin conibodyworks at gmail.com
Fri Sep 28 19:11:00 UTC 2012 

Steve your correct but I would interject that again this is an example of
blind people using alternative techniques to do there bidding and that
includes being thief's, fools or any other profession, which is inclusion
and equality and please readers remember that I interject this as a comical
and laughable post and don't encourage blind folk to go in to the field of
burglary.  If you want to be involved with the criminal justice system as a
blind person, I recommend do it from the other side like our beloved;
Denise, Anthony, Bill, and Patty and all others attorney's in the movement.
Smiles    

-----Original Message-----
From: il-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:il-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
Behalf Of Steven Hastalis
Sent: Friday, September 28, 2012 10:16 AM
To: Deborah Kent Stein; NFB of Illinois Mailing List
Subject: Re: [il-talk] Frustrated

You may have heard the expression, "cat burglar," who presumably does the
evil deed at night.  In that case, blind people may have a strategic
advantage, doing things "nonvisually" in the dark.

Cordially,

Steve Hastalis
----- Original Message -----
From: "Deborah Kent Stein" <dkent5817 at att.net>
To: "NFB of Illinois Mailing List" <il-talk at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2012 5:06 PM
Subject: Re: [il-talk] Frustrated


>
>
> Barry Scheuer's achievements were along the lines of white-collar crime. 
> There were also the famous blind hacker brothers in the Middle East.  But 
> do we know of any blind burglars?  Is burglary an area where there are 
> alternative techniques?
>
> I've always thought a blind person would have advantages as a spy, because

> she/he wouldn't be suspected.  Think of all the times people say things in

> front of us as if we're not there or are incapable of understanding.  That

> factor might be turned to good use professionally.  We just have to 
> convince the CIA.
>
> Debbie
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "David Meyer" <datemeyer at sbcglobal.net>
> To: "'NFB of Illinois Mailing List'" <il-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2012 4:39 PM
> Subject: Re: [il-talk] Frustrated
>
>
>> Indeed.  Can you say Berry Schroyer?  For a further explanation, check 
>> out
>> Dr. Maurer's banquet speech from this summer.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: il-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:il-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of Connie Davis
>> Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2012 3:27 PM
>> To: 'Steven Hastalis'; 'NFB of Illinois Mailing List'
>> Subject: Re: [il-talk] Frustrated
>>
>> But, look at this way, he didn't have the prejudice to think we weren't
>> capable of being prowlers!!! We have problem some the criminal element in
>> our population as does every other group. Smile.
>>
>>
>> Connie
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: il-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:il-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf Of Steven Hastalis
>> Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2012 9:18 AM
>> To: NFB of Illinois Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [il-talk] Frustrated
>>
>> Your story about walking, while someone drives along side, reminds me of 
>> an
>> encounter which took place during the summer of 1974.  I still lived with

>> my
>> parents in Western Springs then and decided to go to Ravinia one night.
>>
>> I rode one train downtown and another to Ravinia.  I enjoyed the concert 
>> and
>> came home on the same to train lines.
>>
>> I arrived in Western Springs late at night, possibly very early the next
>> morning, perhaps at a quarter to two or so.  Western Springs uses the
>> Chicago street numbers for north-south.  Therefore, the train station is 
>> two
>> blocks north of 47th Street.  As I reached 52nd Street, a car pulled 
>> along
>> side, and the driver followed me at walking speed all the way to and up 
>> my
>> parents' driveway.  My parents' house had a street address of 5709.  I
>> wondered about the driver's motive, given that he followed me that way 
>> for
>> about three quarters of a mile, the south half of my walk home from the
>> train station.
>>
>> I walked up the driveway and was about to enter my house, when a man got 
>> out
>> of his car.  He introduced himself, "Western Springs police."
>>
>> I replied, "What do you want?"
>>
>> He asked, "What are you doing out here?"
>>
>> I answered, "I walked home from the train station."
>>
>> He asked, "Do you have ID."
>>
>> I replied, "No, I have a house key."
>>
>> He replied, "I thought you were a prowler."
>>
>> I answered, "I live here."
>>
>> Fortunately, he then drove away, and I entered the house.
>>
>> (At that time, I had graduated from the University of Illinois a year
>> earlier, and its ID therefore had long expired.  It would be about 
>> another
>> ten months before I would start working at CTA and would have an Employer
>> ID.  Moreover, the state law establishing the Illinois ID would not exist
>> until 1975.)
>>
>> This police officer's skepticism probably had at least as much to do with
>> suburban culture as with my blindness.  How many people do you suppose 
>> walk
>> a mile and a haf home from the train station, especially during late 
>> night
>> to early morning hours, through a community in which the second half of 
>> that
>> walk has no sidewalks?
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "David Meyer" <datemeyer at sbcglobal.net>
>> To: "'NFB of Illinois Mailing List'" <il-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2012 4:37 PM
>> Subject: Re: [il-talk] Frustrated
>>
>>
>>>I realize that one doesn't always have time to do this but I remember a
>>>time  when something similar happened to me.  I was working evenings in
>>>a group  home for developmentally challenged adults and was on my way
>>>to the train.
>>> As I was walking a car pulled along along side of me while I was
>>>walking  and  hit his horn.  For some reason, I stopped.  A gentleman
>>>said quite  confidently, "Do you know you are going in entirely the
>>>wrong direction?"
>>> I
>>> had some time so I decided to have him examine his own question.  I
>>>responded that perhaps he might be right, but perhaps I might be right.
>>>I  then asked him how it was he thought I might be going in the wrong
>>>direction.  He was quite uncomfortable when telling me that I belonged
>>>in  that big building that was a block or so behind us.  I asked him
>>>how it  was  I might belong there.  He said that the building was for
>>>special people  and  that I was a special person and.... I cut him off
>>>at that point telling  him  that I was familiar with that building,
>>>that I was a staff member there,  that I was leaving work and that I
>>>was on the way to the train.  I then  asked him again if I was entirely
>>>wrong with the direction I was going.
>>> Without saying another word, he drove off.  I'm sure he was
>>>uncomfortable,  but I truly felt on top of the world.  It might not
>>>have been right of me  but I wanted for him to feel for just awhile,
>>>the irritation we feel at  members of the general public almost daily.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: il-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:il-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>> On Behalf Of Francisco Chang
>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2012 1:28 PM
>>> To: Deborah Kent Stein; NFB of Illinois Mailing List
>>> Subject: Re: [il-talk] Frustrated
>>>
>>> As a sighted person I would find it extremely rude if someone grabbed
>>> me me if I seemed lost. It is ridiculous that many sighted people
>>> think that it is all right to grab a blind person because they are
>>> trying to help. A sighted stranger would not like it if a blind person
>>> grabbed his/her arm because he/she seemed lost.
>>>
>>> Francisco Chang, RN, BSN, AACC, CCRN, CVRN, EP Lab, Swedish Covenant
>>> Hospital, Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Sep 26, 2012, at 10:43 AM, "Deborah Kent Stein" <dkent5817 at att.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> When they ask me if I know where I'm going, sometimes I say, "Yes -
>>>> do
>>> you?" I love Mary Ellen Gabias' response to people who grab her: "Oh,
>>> can I help you?"
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patti Chang" <pattichang at att.net>
>>>> To: "il-talk il-talk" <il-talk at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2012 7:55 AM
>>>> Subject: [il-talk] Frustrated
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> A guy just stopped me along Higgins. He watched me walk at full
>>>>>> speed
>>> for two blocks and still assumed I was lost.
>>>>>
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