[IL-Talk] Where do people get a license to put their hands on us?

Tue Sep 27 22:27:37 UTC 2022

I don't get grabbed too much. But I would bet you more women than men get
grabbed. I mean I used to get grabbed a lot or people would fling open a
door. Probably even depends on what someone looks like maybe if they look
kind of confused. I don't know you'd have to really dive into it and see
what mood everybody is in.

Robert Hansen
hansen.robert70 at gmail.com

On Tue, Sep 27, 2022, 4:01 PM Patti S Chang via IL-Talk <il-talk at nfbnet.org>
wrote:

> As an aside, I would love to see some research on this, but I suspect this
> happens much more with women than men and the older I get the more people
> seem to grab me too.
>
>
>
> Patti Chang
> 2nd Vice President
> National Federation of the Blind of Illinois
> https://www.nfbofillinois.org
> Pronouns: she, her, hers
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: IL-Talk <il-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Kelly Pierce via
> IL-Talk
> Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2022 1:55 PM
> To: NFB of Illinois Mailing List <il-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Kelly Pierce <kellytalk at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [IL-Talk] Where do people get a license to put their hands on
> us?
>
> Iowa long time Federationist Peggy Pinder Elliot offered some great advice
> on this topic a long time ago. She says she talks with her feet. First she
> stops walking when someone grabs her. She then asks to be released from the
> sighted person’s grasp. If they do not respond immediately, then she sits
> down in place wherever she is at the time.
> They always release when she sits in place.
>
> When I am grabbed, which is rare for me, I respond with “I will follow you
> and take your directions” I have never needed to sit in place.
>
> Kelly
>
>
>
> On 9/27/22, Leslie Hamric via IL-Talk <il-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> > Wow! Even more interesting way to look at it.
> >
> > Leslie Hamric
> > Cello and Braille Music Teacher
> > Board member of National Federation of the Blind Performing Arts
> > Division
> >
> >
> >> On Sep 27, 2022, at 1:43 PM, Deborah Kent Stein via IL-Talk
> >> <il-talk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >>
> >> 
> >>
> >> In this day and age, I think most people are learning not to grab
> >> children.
> >> Somehow that doesn't translate to not grabbing us. We're still fair
> game.
> >>
> >> Debbie
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: IL-Talk [mailto:il-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> >> dandrews920--- via IL-Talk
> >> Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2022 1:32 PM
> >> To: 'NFB of Illinois Mailing List' <il-talk at nfbnet.org>
> >> Cc: dandrews920 at comcast.net
> >> Subject: Re: [IL-Talk] Where do people get a license to put their
> >> hands on us?
> >>
> >> They think of us as children, so it is OK to grab.
> >>
> >> Dave
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: IL-Talk <il-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Leslie Hamric
> >> via IL-Talk
> >> Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2022 10:54 AM
> >> To: Iltalk <il-talk at nfbnet.org>
> >> Cc: Leslie Hamric <lhamric930 at comcast.net>
> >> Subject: [IL-Talk] Where do people get a license to put their hands on
> us?
> >>
> >> Good morning Federationists. Today I was going to an eye doctor
> >> appointment.
> >> And from the door of the building to the elevator, and then up to the
> >> office, I had a total of three people grab my arm. Of course, they
> >> thought they were helping when they really weren't. So I decided to
> >> try a new approach. Instead of saying, please don't grab, I said,
> >> please don't grab it's not safe. You should see how they back off
> >> when they hear the words it's not safe. And then, of course, each one
> >> got all apologetic. So, of course, I did some educating and then they
> >> got it. And then, when I got down the elevator back to the main
> >> entrance, a fourth person said, can I help you and they grab my arm.
> >> So I started the process all over again. All we ask for as blind
> >> people is an assumption of competence. Where did the cited people get
> >> off thinking that they can just put their hands on us? I wish I knew.
> >> But until then, I will keep educating.
> >>
> >> Leslie Hamric
> >> Cello and Braille Music Teacher
> >> Board member of National Federation of the Blind Performing Arts
> >> Division
> >>
> >>
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