[IL-Talk] Where do people get a license to put their hands on us?

[David Meyer]

I was not going to weigh in on this thread, but I can't resist. I had 
just turned 20 and was going home from an NFB of minnesota meeting.. 
While waiting on a stoplight, a man, (I can't call him a gentleman,) 
who was obviously intoxicated grabbed me hard and slurred his offfer to 
help me across the street. The light turned in our favor and we began 
what could have been a treturous journey. At that time, lights were 
timed in Minneapolis. If you had a clear signal, you knew you had about 
30 seconds to cross. I counted seconds as we staggered in the street. 
What to do? I got to 25 and figured I was about half way across. I 
decided to speed up and if he kept up, that was fine. He didn't, and as 
I established some distance, I heard a slue of invectives that might 
have made some soldiers and sailors wince.
Original message:
> Hi Patti and all:

> One time when I was getting off a train at the Ogilvie Center, I walked up
> to the steps going down into the Suburban Concourse from the platform.  As
> usual, I was slowly approaching the steps.  Just as I was about to grab the
> railing and step down, someone grabbed my arm.  I pulled away from him and
> he said, I was just trying to make sure you didn't fall down the steps.  I
> said, what you did could have caused me too.



> Ray Campbell
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: IL-Talk <il-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Patti S Chang via
> IL-Talk
> Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2022 6:44 PM
> To: 'NFB of Illinois Mailing List' <il-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Patti S Chang <pattischang at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [IL-Talk] Where do people get a license to put their hands on
> us?

> Ok, worst time ever. I was boarding a train and a man grabbed me and I
> missed my step because he pulled my arm back which caused me to lose my
> footing and my leg ended up down between the platform and the train. Hit
> really hard on the edge of the platform and scared me b/c if the train had
> taken off, I would have been seriously injured.

> Not okay - creepy - dangerous.


> Patti Chang
> 2nd Vice President
> National Federation of the Blind of Illinois https://www.nfbofillinois.org
> Pronouns: she, her, hers

> -----Original Message-----
> From: IL-Talk <il-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Robert Hansen via
> IL-Talk
> Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2022 5:23 PM
> To: NFB of Illinois Mailing List <il-talk at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Robert Hansen <hansen.robert70 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [IL-Talk] Where do people get a license to put their hands on
> us?

> I thought they think we're like furniture or something. You know so they
> think it's okay. And sometimes I just tell him to get their hands off me.
> Sometimes I just have to get away from them. Jerk away from him if I have
> to. And I don't have time to educate most times because when they do that
> stuff I'm very agitated. The smart ones can catch on but otherwise you have
> to kind of just do what you can.

> Robert Hansen
> hansen.robert70 at gmail.com


> On Tue, Sep 27, 2022, 1:33 PM dandrews920--- via IL-Talk
> <il-talk at nfbnet.org>
> wrote:

>> They think of us as children, so it is OK to grab.

>> Dave



>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: IL-Talk <il-talk-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Leslie Hamric
>> via IL-Talk
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2022 10:54 AM
>> To: Iltalk <il-talk at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: Leslie Hamric <lhamric930 at comcast.net>
>> Subject: [IL-Talk] Where do people get a license to put their hands on us?

>> Good morning Federationists. Today I was going to an eye doctor
>> appointment.
>> And from the door of the building to the elevator, and then up to the
>> office, I had a total of three people grab my arm. Of course, they
>> thought they were helping when they really weren't. So I decided to
>> try a new approach. Instead of saying, please don't grab, I said,
>> please don't grab it's not safe. You should see how they back off when
>> they hear the words it's not safe. And then, of course, each one got
>> all apologetic. So, of course, I did some educating and then they got
>> it. And then, when I got down the elevator back to the main entrance,
>> a fourth person said, can I help you and they grab my arm. So I
>> started the process all over again. All we ask for as blind people is
>> an assumption of competence. Where did the cited people get off
>> thinking that they can just put their hands on us? I wish I knew. But
>> until then, I will keep educating.

>> Leslie Hamric
>> Cello and Braille Music Teacher
>> Board member of National Federation of the Blind Performing Arts
>> Division


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