[Job-Discussions] introduction and two questions.

Thu Jan 13 17:30:49 UTC 2022

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On 1/13/22, Nate Trela <ntrela at gmail.com> wrote:
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> On 1/13/22, Richard Davis via Job-Discussions
> <job-discussions at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Dear Ericka,
>>
>> I have been chair of the NFB Employment Committee for ten years. In that
>> period of time, we have gone from having one job seeker seminar at the
>> convention to a website, career fairs, listservs, employer recruitment,
>> and
>> a whole lot of other things. We now have National Center staff dedicated
>> to
>> helping blind adults and youth prepare themselves for employment.  We
>> have
>> Zoom seminars.
>>
>> Do you think all that would have happened if I had just sat around and
>> complained about how lousy employers were and how blind people made the
>> perfect victims?  No, I did it through many hours of hard work. You
>> didn't
>> work before you came to BLIND, Inc. After you left, you did, and from
>> what
>> I understand, did a good job.  I am sorry you had health problems that
>> made
>> it necessary for you to leave, but that kind of thing happens to sighted
>> people too.
>>
>> If you had attended our career fairs, you would know that they are not
>> all
>> tech employers. In fact, the one coming up will likely have a lot of work
>> at home jobs. I am sorry that nobody worked with you on advocating for
>> reasonable accommodations when you attended BLIND, Inc. But if that is a
>> problem, you know exactly how to contact me, and you know I would have
>> helped.
>>
>> Remember that this is a public list. Other job seekers, job developers,
>> and
>> employers are on it.  Some of them could help you, but if they see you as
>> a
>> complainer, they will not. It is definitely not group therapy, because it
>> is not at all private.  I am not saying you cannot voice complaints on
>> it,
>> but you also need to use it as a place to brainstorm with others to seek
>> solutions for the problems you are having and the impediments you
>> encounter.
>>
>> Lots of employers still need to be educated. Let's all find personal ways
>> to do that, and not bemoan the fact that others have not done what we
>> want.
>> As an organization of blind people, there is no "they", ther is only
>> "us".
>> If you or anyone else on this list wants to complain or make suggestions
>> to
>> president Riccobono about something the NFB is doing or not doing, you
>> can
>> reach him at officeofthepresident at nfb.org.
>>
>> And we are definitely still friends!
>>
>> Best wishes,
>> Dick Davis, Chair
>> NFB Employment Committee
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 13, 2022 at 8:19 AM Ericka via Job-Discussions <
>> job-discussions at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Exactly what I was trying to say. This is what I want to have happen. If
>>> they can put that much energy into automatic cars which I don’t trust
>>> they
>>> can put this much energy into educating employers. Problem with the
>>> career
>>> fair is that most of the people out there are tech companies which
>>> doesn’t
>>> go well with my social work skills. Plus at my age I don’t want to move
>>> out
>>> of the area just for a minimum wage job because I haven’t had a lot of
>>> direct experience. What you’re doing will help the 18 and 19-year-olds,
>>> but
>>> not us who have probably another good 20 years to work. I didn’t get any
>>> training in how to advocate for reasonable accommodations when I was at
>>> BLIND Inc.. I asked but nobody would talk to me. I have experience in
>>> the
>>> political arena but not good experiences with employers. They don’t take
>>> blind people seriously one on one . That’s my experience. The amount of
>>> education needed I can’t provide the entire city of Janesville for
>>> example.
>>> And not all of us my age are text savvy enough.
>>>
>>> Ericka Nelson
>>>
>>> On Jan 12, 2022, at 9:00 PM, Karen Rose via Job-Discussions <
>>> job-discussions at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Are there people with the NFB marketing team who could flush out this
>>> type of plan? I am not trained in marketing but rather in career
>>> coaching
>>> and in psychotherapy, and I know we have others much better qualified to
>>> manage and to budget for any type of marketing campaign. It is difficult
>>> to
>>> target specific individual employers locally, as most small businesses
>>> at
>>> least are struggling just to stay open. I know that there are many blind
>>> people with excellent education and training, who would love to be
>>> working
>>> now and filling some of their needs. Many have already gone through
>>>  training in interview skills and in how to request reasonable
>>> accommodations. I am thrilled to see that and if P is working on
>>> projects
>>> to match blind people with specific employers. I would love to be
>>> helpful
>>> in this if I can. Please let me know if there is anything I can do to be
>>> helpful. :-)
>>>
>>> Karen Rose MFT/LPCC www.career-therapy.net
>>>
>>> On Jan 12, 2022, at 2:51 PM, Richard Davis via Job-Discussions <
>>> job-discussions at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>> Hi Karen and Ericka,
>>>
>>> Employers are experiencing labor shortages and are working with us in
>>> the
>>> NFB to hire blind people. They realize that blind people can fill their
>>> needs. We are currently working with lots of them, and with the
>>> expansion
>>> of our website coming in the next year, we will have many tools to offer
>>> them.  Right now, we are running into these problems:
>>>
>>> Lack of accessibility to employer systems, which often requires system
>>> redesign.
>>> Lack of understanding about reasonable accommodations, which in the case
>>> of Amazon, is not a trivial matter, as some of their job functions are
>>> not
>>> and probably cannot be made accessible, in which case we are looking at
>>> selective job placement and work-arounds.
>>> Lack of decent education, rehabilitation, career planning, and career
>>> training for blind people, who sometimes lack the most basic interview
>>> skills.
>>>
>>> Having a national ad campaign is expensive and probably doesn't go deep
>>> enough to address the above problems.  I am not averse to sharing your
>>> idea
>>> with the Employment Committee, but in order tor me to do so, it needs to
>>> arrive in the form of a fully fleshed out plan with a budget, media to
>>> be
>>> targeted, and planned employer penetration rate.  Also a fundraising
>>> plan.
>>>
>>> Let me suggest some alternatives:
>>>
>>> Got local employers? Go talk to them, and see if they are interested in
>>> working with us.
>>> Hold training sessions for local chapter members on job seeking skills.
>>> Work with your state rehab agency to make sure blind people are getting
>>> good training for real jobs.
>>> Go to the NFB website, access the Self-Advocacy Employment Toolkit and
>>> teach people how to use it:
>>> https://nfb.org/programs-services/advocacy/advocacy-resources/self-advocacy-employment-toolkit
>>> The NFB legal program has other resources for job seekers and employers.
>>> Please explore and use these valuable tools.
>>>
>>> I don't mean to discourage any of you, but we are far beyond the point
>>> where PSA's are going to work. We need face to face contacts.
>>>
>>> I think talking to local colleges with business programs is an excellent
>>> idea. Why don't you all come up with a plan to do that and carry it out?
>>> Everything helps.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Dick Davis
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jan 12, 2022 at 4:13 PM Karen Rose via Job-Discussions <
>>> job-discussions at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Is this something that the employment committee might be interested in?
>>>> If so I would love to work with them :-)
>>>>
>>>> Karen Rose MFT/LPCC www.career-therapy.net
>>>>
>>>> On Jan 12, 2022, at 12:29 PM, Ericka via Job-Discussions <
>>>> job-discussions at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I agree with you Karen. Dick why don’t you take notes and let’s get a
>>>> video PSA on TV and a radio campaign. You can’t tell me that there
>>>> aren’t
>>>> talented people at headquarters or in the NFB that can’t make this
>>>> happen.
>>>> These videos can be put on LinkedIn as well.
>>>>
>>>> Ericka Nelson
>>>>
>>>> On Jan 12, 2022, at 11:55 AM, Karen Rose via Job-Discussions <
>>>> job-discussions at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> But wouldn’t this be an excellent time for us to run a marketing
>>>> campaign to employers and recruiters letting them know how available we
>>>> are, how willing we are to work and to show up, and that we are here,
>>>> ready
>>>> and able to fill their open positions, thus allowing their businesses
>>>> to
>>>> remain open? Many businesses are closing for periods of time due to
>>>> lack
>>>> of
>>>> staffing. We could be the people who allow them to remain open. Right
>>>> now
>>>> there are more jobs open than there are people wanting to work.
>>>>
>>>> Karen Rose MFT/LPCC www.career-therapy.net
>>>>
>>>> On Jan 12, 2022, at 9:21 AM, Robert Sollars via Job-Discussions <
>>>> job-discussions at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> 
>>>>
>>>> Having on that side of the business for most of my career, half at
>>>> least,
>>>> it’s very simple;
>>>>
>>>> The less they hire disabled, of any kind, individuals the less
>>>> paperwork
>>>> they have to do and the less they have to worry about with properly
>>>> implementing all of the laws, rules, regulations, and pitfalls of
>>>> hiring
>>>> someone like that.
>>>>
>>>> I’m in the process of developing a evacuation, generalized of course,
>>>> for
>>>> employers to follow with disabled employees so that they can better
>>>> relate
>>>> to and plan for us.
>>>>
>>>> Robert
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *From:* Job-Discussions <job-discussions-bounces at nfbnet.org> *On Behalf
>>>> Of *Brian Hatgelakas via Job-Discussions
>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 12, 2022 9:24 AM
>>>> *To:* Job Discussions internet Mailing List
>>>> <job-discussions at nfbnet.org>
>>>> *Cc:* Brian Hatgelakas <bhatgelakas at gmail.com>
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [Job-Discussions] introduction and two questions.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> why do people in HR act like that?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Jan 12, 2022 at 11:21 AM Robert Sollars via Job-Discussions <
>>>> job-discussions at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> iT is unfortunately, but someones first impression is what gives the
>>>> leeway for dismissing or not offering the job…because they do’t
>>>> understand
>>>> or wish to limit their liability because of a disabled person in the
>>>> organization…trust me, I seen it many times when I was sighted
>>>>
>>>> Robert
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *From:* Job-Discussions <job-discussions-bounces at nfbnet.org> *On Behalf
>>>> Of *Brian Hatgelakas via Job-Discussions
>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 12, 2022 9:09 AM
>>>> *To:* Job Discussions internet Mailing List
>>>> <job-discussions at nfbnet.org>
>>>> *Cc:* Brian Hatgelakas <bhatgelakas at gmail.com>
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [Job-Discussions] introduction and two questions.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Yes they can be?   because why would I waste time going to an interview
>>>> to be turned away   doing this is this in my opinion is the same as
>>>> turning
>>>> away a regular bodied african american bassed soley on their skin
>>>> color.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Jan 12, 2022 at 10:53 AM Ericka via Job-Discussions <
>>>> job-discussions at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Yeah that’s true. But then when they shorten up an interview you know
>>>> some thing is “not right“ with them. You can hear it in their voice
>>>> especially when you walk in and they see the cane. It’s either too
>>>> quiet
>>>> or
>>>> some other thing. My husbands had the experience where you went to the
>>>> interview, the receptionist saw him with his cane being totally blind
>>>> and
>>>> reported that to the person they were supposed to speak to. Then the
>>>> receptionist came back and said that the person was busy and couldn’t
>>>> meet
>>>> with him. That’s the signal for we’re freaking out here and if we don’t
>>>> interview you and pass you up then we can’t be held responsible for
>>>> being
>>>> discriminatory.
>>>>
>>>> Ericka Nelson
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Jan 11, 2022, at 4:03 PM, Melissa R Green via Job-Discussions <
>>>> job-discussions at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> 
>>>>
>>>> Oh my goodness. That is so true. You have to go through many
>>>> rejections.
>>>> And, you do know who is interested in hiring you and who is just going
>>>> through the motions.
>>>>
>>>> Those people are usually freaking out. But you don’t know it because
>>>> they
>>>> can still go through the interview.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Best!Melissa R Green and PJ
>>>>
>>>> Scentsy consultant readerlissa.scentsy.us
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Jan 10, 2022, at 2:43 PM, Ericka Nelson via Job-Discussions <
>>>> job-discussions at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Oh Robert you bomb! You have to have 50% optimism and 50% realism to
>>>> look for a job. The trick is to figure out who is most sincere about
>>>> hiring
>>>> you had a job interview and who is just going through the motions.
>>>>
>>>> Ericka J. Nelson
>>>>
>>>> 1927 Green Valley Dr.
>>>>
>>>> Janesville WI 53546
>>>>
>>>> H: 608-754-8671
>>>>
>>>> C: 262-434-0817
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Jan 10, 2022, at 12:06 PM, Robert Sollars via Job-Discussions <
>>>> job-discussions at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> 
>>>>
>>>> Good idea, but the biased that most employers will have against hiring
>>>> a
>>>> disabled person, blind or just in a wheelchair is something that must
>>>> be
>>>> over come first. Most employers won’t see us as a fit or being able to
>>>> do
>>>> the job, just an annoyance that has to be dealt with because of federal
>>>> law.
>>>>
>>>> Robert
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *From:* Job-Discussions <job-discussions-bounces at nfbnet.org> *On Behalf
>>>> Of *Karen Rose via Job-Discussions
>>>> *Sent:* Monday, January 10, 2022 10:54 AM
>>>> *To:* Job Discussions internet Mailing List
>>>> <job-discussions at nfbnet.org>
>>>> *Cc:* Karen Rose <rosekm at earthlink.net>
>>>> *Subject:* Re: [Job-Discussions] introduction and two questions.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi. Given the extreme shortage of workers and the fact that businesses
>>>> are closing for periods of time because of lack of staffing, is there
>>>> something we can do, possibly nationally, to advertise to employers and
>>>> recruiters that blind people are here, available to work, and excited
>>>> for
>>>> the opportunity? It seems like this could be a fantastic time to market
>>>> blind people to desperate employers. Any thoughts?
>>>>
>>>> Karen Rose MFT/LPCC www.career-therapy.net
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Jan 10, 2022, at 9:14 AM, Ericka via Job-Discussions <
>>>> job-discussions at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I’m at a crossroads myself. Can’t go back to being on my feet working
>>>> with seniors because of foot issues and leg problems. Waiting for
>>>> vocational rehab assessment to be done and trying to discern myself
>>>> where
>>>> are my next move out to be. Thought you were working with kids before.
>>>>
>>>> Ericka Nelson
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Jan 10, 2022, at 10:45 AM, Melissa R. Green via Job-Discussions <
>>>> job-discussions at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi.
>>>> Thank you so much Ericka.
>>>> It is very helpful. Wibbb pat Pj for you.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Have a good day.
>>>> Best!
>>>> Melissa R. Green and Pj
>>>> Scentsy consultant www.readerlissa.scentsy.com
>>>> Contact me at: graduateenff%juno_com for more  information and host and
>>>> book a party and or explanation of products.
>>>> Facebook: Melissa R. Green Goodreads: Melissa R. Green
>>>> A home is nothing without the people you love inside of it.
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: Ericka via Job-Discussions  <job-discussions at nfbnet.org>
>>>> To: Job Discussions internet Mailing List  <job-discussions at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Date: 01/10/2022 9:09 am
>>>> Subject: Re: [Job-Discussions] introduction and two questions.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I am aware that there are jobs with spectrum/charter that are call
>>>> center
>>>> related. The process is kind of interesting. The skills inventory or
>>>> whatever it is you take to help you determine which jobs to apply for
>>>> is
>>>> accessible. My husband did it on his iPhone with very little
>>>> frustration
>>>> which is very unusual.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Melissa I totally get it about not wanting to do cold calls or beg for
>>>> charities. I wouldn't want to do that either. Sometimes communities
>>>> have
>>>> an
>>>> app helping connect employers and perspective clients/workers.
>>>> Janesville
>>>> Wisconsin has such. A lot of times it's things like what you're looking
>>>> for
>>>> and then sometimes it's all factory work or house cleaning jobs.. Give
>>>> PJ
>>>> a
>>>> pat for me!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hope I've been a little bit a help. You just have to kind of go to
>>>> company websites and check the career listing sometimes.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Ericka Nelson
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Jan 7, 2022, at 7:59 PM, Melissa R. Green via Job-Discussions <
>>>> job-discussions at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Hi abbl.
>>>>
>>>> My is melissa. I am in colorado.
>>>>
>>>> I am still looking for work. To us I have been doing research on jobs
>>>> that I would be interested in and may be someone this list can assist
>>>> me.
>>>>
>>>> How does someone become a reader advisor for the library for the blind?
>>>>
>>>> I received a job offer from TTEC. But they could not get their client
>>>> to
>>>> approve my acomodations, has anyone else gotten hired by TTEC? I am
>>>> wondering if I should appy again with them?
>>>>
>>>> Lastly, where can I find crisis hotline jobs, tutoring and hditing
>>>> paper
>>>> jobs, or out bound or no sales jobs?
>>>>
>>>> Don't want to call for any kind of sales, or requesting money.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Have a good day.
>>>>
>>>> Best!
>>>>
>>>> Melissa R. Green and Pj
>>>>
>>>> Scentsy consultant www.readerlissa.scentsy.com
>>>>
>>>> Contact me at: graduateenff%juno_com for more  information and host and
>>>> book a party and or explanation of products.
>>>>
>>>> Facebook: Melissa R. Green Goodreads: Melissa R. Green
>>>>
>>>> A home is nothing without the people you love inside of it.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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