[Job-Discussions] introduction and two questions.
Ericka
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Thu Jan 13 19:39:27 UTC 2022
And I’m glad whoever is sick is on the road to recovery.
Ericka Nelson
> On Jan 13, 2022, at 11:35 AM, Nate Trela via Job-Discussions <job-discussions at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> Don't mind a message to the wrong thread *facepalm
>
>> On 1/13/22, Nate Trela <ntrela at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Thanks. Because administering the rapid test to her is so difficult,
>> she only got a PCR test this morning. So hopefully we'll have results
>> before Monday. If it comes back over the weekend, do you just want me
>> to email you at this address?
>>
>> She's doing better this morning; took Tylenol at 1 and she has not had
>> a fever since. Doc said she sounded good, too. Hopefully it's just
>> some kind of non-COVID crud.
>>
>>
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Nate
>>
>>
>>> On 1/13/22, Richard Davis via Job-Discussions
>>> <job-discussions at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> Dear Ericka,
>>>
>>> I have been chair of the NFB Employment Committee for ten years. In that
>>> period of time, we have gone from having one job seeker seminar at the
>>> convention to a website, career fairs, listservs, employer recruitment,
>>> and
>>> a whole lot of other things. We now have National Center staff dedicated
>>> to
>>> helping blind adults and youth prepare themselves for employment. We
>>> have
>>> Zoom seminars.
>>>
>>> Do you think all that would have happened if I had just sat around and
>>> complained about how lousy employers were and how blind people made the
>>> perfect victims? No, I did it through many hours of hard work. You
>>> didn't
>>> work before you came to BLIND, Inc. After you left, you did, and from
>>> what
>>> I understand, did a good job. I am sorry you had health problems that
>>> made
>>> it necessary for you to leave, but that kind of thing happens to sighted
>>> people too.
>>>
>>> If you had attended our career fairs, you would know that they are not
>>> all
>>> tech employers. In fact, the one coming up will likely have a lot of work
>>> at home jobs. I am sorry that nobody worked with you on advocating for
>>> reasonable accommodations when you attended BLIND, Inc. But if that is a
>>> problem, you know exactly how to contact me, and you know I would have
>>> helped.
>>>
>>> Remember that this is a public list. Other job seekers, job developers,
>>> and
>>> employers are on it. Some of them could help you, but if they see you as
>>> a
>>> complainer, they will not. It is definitely not group therapy, because it
>>> is not at all private. I am not saying you cannot voice complaints on
>>> it,
>>> but you also need to use it as a place to brainstorm with others to seek
>>> solutions for the problems you are having and the impediments you
>>> encounter.
>>>
>>> Lots of employers still need to be educated. Let's all find personal ways
>>> to do that, and not bemoan the fact that others have not done what we
>>> want.
>>> As an organization of blind people, there is no "they", ther is only
>>> "us".
>>> If you or anyone else on this list wants to complain or make suggestions
>>> to
>>> president Riccobono about something the NFB is doing or not doing, you
>>> can
>>> reach him at officeofthepresident at nfb.org.
>>>
>>> And we are definitely still friends!
>>>
>>> Best wishes,
>>> Dick Davis, Chair
>>> NFB Employment Committee
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jan 13, 2022 at 8:19 AM Ericka via Job-Discussions <
>>> job-discussions at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Exactly what I was trying to say. This is what I want to have happen. If
>>>> they can put that much energy into automatic cars which I don’t trust
>>>> they
>>>> can put this much energy into educating employers. Problem with the
>>>> career
>>>> fair is that most of the people out there are tech companies which
>>>> doesn’t
>>>> go well with my social work skills. Plus at my age I don’t want to move
>>>> out
>>>> of the area just for a minimum wage job because I haven’t had a lot of
>>>> direct experience. What you’re doing will help the 18 and 19-year-olds,
>>>> but
>>>> not us who have probably another good 20 years to work. I didn’t get any
>>>> training in how to advocate for reasonable accommodations when I was at
>>>> BLIND Inc.. I asked but nobody would talk to me. I have experience in
>>>> the
>>>> political arena but not good experiences with employers. They don’t take
>>>> blind people seriously one on one . That’s my experience. The amount of
>>>> education needed I can’t provide the entire city of Janesville for
>>>> example.
>>>> And not all of us my age are text savvy enough.
>>>>
>>>> Ericka Nelson
>>>>
>>>> On Jan 12, 2022, at 9:00 PM, Karen Rose via Job-Discussions <
>>>> job-discussions at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Are there people with the NFB marketing team who could flush out this
>>>> type of plan? I am not trained in marketing but rather in career
>>>> coaching
>>>> and in psychotherapy, and I know we have others much better qualified to
>>>> manage and to budget for any type of marketing campaign. It is difficult
>>>> to
>>>> target specific individual employers locally, as most small businesses
>>>> at
>>>> least are struggling just to stay open. I know that there are many blind
>>>> people with excellent education and training, who would love to be
>>>> working
>>>> now and filling some of their needs. Many have already gone through
>>>> training in interview skills and in how to request reasonable
>>>> accommodations. I am thrilled to see that and if P is working on
>>>> projects
>>>> to match blind people with specific employers. I would love to be
>>>> helpful
>>>> in this if I can. Please let me know if there is anything I can do to be
>>>> helpful. :-)
>>>>
>>>> Karen Rose MFT/LPCC www.career-therapy.net
>>>>
>>>> On Jan 12, 2022, at 2:51 PM, Richard Davis via Job-Discussions <
>>>> job-discussions at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi Karen and Ericka,
>>>>
>>>> Employers are experiencing labor shortages and are working with us in
>>>> the
>>>> NFB to hire blind people. They realize that blind people can fill their
>>>> needs. We are currently working with lots of them, and with the
>>>> expansion
>>>> of our website coming in the next year, we will have many tools to offer
>>>> them. Right now, we are running into these problems:
>>>>
>>>> Lack of accessibility to employer systems, which often requires system
>>>> redesign.
>>>> Lack of understanding about reasonable accommodations, which in the case
>>>> of Amazon, is not a trivial matter, as some of their job functions are
>>>> not
>>>> and probably cannot be made accessible, in which case we are looking at
>>>> selective job placement and work-arounds.
>>>> Lack of decent education, rehabilitation, career planning, and career
>>>> training for blind people, who sometimes lack the most basic interview
>>>> skills.
>>>>
>>>> Having a national ad campaign is expensive and probably doesn't go deep
>>>> enough to address the above problems. I am not averse to sharing your
>>>> idea
>>>> with the Employment Committee, but in order tor me to do so, it needs to
>>>> arrive in the form of a fully fleshed out plan with a budget, media to
>>>> be
>>>> targeted, and planned employer penetration rate. Also a fundraising
>>>> plan.
>>>>
>>>> Let me suggest some alternatives:
>>>>
>>>> Got local employers? Go talk to them, and see if they are interested in
>>>> working with us.
>>>> Hold training sessions for local chapter members on job seeking skills.
>>>> Work with your state rehab agency to make sure blind people are getting
>>>> good training for real jobs.
>>>> Go to the NFB website, access the Self-Advocacy Employment Toolkit and
>>>> teach people how to use it:
>>>> https://nfb.org/programs-services/advocacy/advocacy-resources/self-advocacy-employment-toolkit
>>>> The NFB legal program has other resources for job seekers and employers.
>>>> Please explore and use these valuable tools.
>>>>
>>>> I don't mean to discourage any of you, but we are far beyond the point
>>>> where PSA's are going to work. We need face to face contacts.
>>>>
>>>> I think talking to local colleges with business programs is an excellent
>>>> idea. Why don't you all come up with a plan to do that and carry it out?
>>>> Everything helps.
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>> Dick Davis
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Jan 12, 2022 at 4:13 PM Karen Rose via Job-Discussions <
>>>> job-discussions at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Is this something that the employment committee might be interested in?
>>>>> If so I would love to work with them :-)
>>>>>
>>>>> Karen Rose MFT/LPCC www.career-therapy.net
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jan 12, 2022, at 12:29 PM, Ericka via Job-Discussions <
>>>>> job-discussions at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I agree with you Karen. Dick why don’t you take notes and let’s get a
>>>>> video PSA on TV and a radio campaign. You can’t tell me that there
>>>>> aren’t
>>>>> talented people at headquarters or in the NFB that can’t make this
>>>>> happen.
>>>>> These videos can be put on LinkedIn as well.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ericka Nelson
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jan 12, 2022, at 11:55 AM, Karen Rose via Job-Discussions <
>>>>> job-discussions at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> But wouldn’t this be an excellent time for us to run a marketing
>>>>> campaign to employers and recruiters letting them know how available we
>>>>> are, how willing we are to work and to show up, and that we are here,
>>>>> ready
>>>>> and able to fill their open positions, thus allowing their businesses
>>>>> to
>>>>> remain open? Many businesses are closing for periods of time due to
>>>>> lack
>>>>> of
>>>>> staffing. We could be the people who allow them to remain open. Right
>>>>> now
>>>>> there are more jobs open than there are people wanting to work.
>>>>>
>>>>> Karen Rose MFT/LPCC www.career-therapy.net
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jan 12, 2022, at 9:21 AM, Robert Sollars via Job-Discussions <
>>>>> job-discussions at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Having on that side of the business for most of my career, half at
>>>>> least,
>>>>> it’s very simple;
>>>>>
>>>>> The less they hire disabled, of any kind, individuals the less
>>>>> paperwork
>>>>> they have to do and the less they have to worry about with properly
>>>>> implementing all of the laws, rules, regulations, and pitfalls of
>>>>> hiring
>>>>> someone like that.
>>>>>
>>>>> I’m in the process of developing a evacuation, generalized of course,
>>>>> for
>>>>> employers to follow with disabled employees so that they can better
>>>>> relate
>>>>> to and plan for us.
>>>>>
>>>>> Robert
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> *From:* Job-Discussions <job-discussions-bounces at nfbnet.org> *On Behalf
>>>>> Of *Brian Hatgelakas via Job-Discussions
>>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 12, 2022 9:24 AM
>>>>> *To:* Job Discussions internet Mailing List
>>>>> <job-discussions at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> *Cc:* Brian Hatgelakas <bhatgelakas at gmail.com>
>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [Job-Discussions] introduction and two questions.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> why do people in HR act like that?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Jan 12, 2022 at 11:21 AM Robert Sollars via Job-Discussions <
>>>>> job-discussions at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> iT is unfortunately, but someones first impression is what gives the
>>>>> leeway for dismissing or not offering the job…because they do’t
>>>>> understand
>>>>> or wish to limit their liability because of a disabled person in the
>>>>> organization…trust me, I seen it many times when I was sighted
>>>>>
>>>>> Robert
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> *From:* Job-Discussions <job-discussions-bounces at nfbnet.org> *On Behalf
>>>>> Of *Brian Hatgelakas via Job-Discussions
>>>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 12, 2022 9:09 AM
>>>>> *To:* Job Discussions internet Mailing List
>>>>> <job-discussions at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> *Cc:* Brian Hatgelakas <bhatgelakas at gmail.com>
>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [Job-Discussions] introduction and two questions.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes they can be? because why would I waste time going to an interview
>>>>> to be turned away doing this is this in my opinion is the same as
>>>>> turning
>>>>> away a regular bodied african american bassed soley on their skin
>>>>> color.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Jan 12, 2022 at 10:53 AM Ericka via Job-Discussions <
>>>>> job-discussions at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Yeah that’s true. But then when they shorten up an interview you know
>>>>> some thing is “not right“ with them. You can hear it in their voice
>>>>> especially when you walk in and they see the cane. It’s either too
>>>>> quiet
>>>>> or
>>>>> some other thing. My husbands had the experience where you went to the
>>>>> interview, the receptionist saw him with his cane being totally blind
>>>>> and
>>>>> reported that to the person they were supposed to speak to. Then the
>>>>> receptionist came back and said that the person was busy and couldn’t
>>>>> meet
>>>>> with him. That’s the signal for we’re freaking out here and if we don’t
>>>>> interview you and pass you up then we can’t be held responsible for
>>>>> being
>>>>> discriminatory.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ericka Nelson
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jan 11, 2022, at 4:03 PM, Melissa R Green via Job-Discussions <
>>>>> job-discussions at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Oh my goodness. That is so true. You have to go through many
>>>>> rejections.
>>>>> And, you do know who is interested in hiring you and who is just going
>>>>> through the motions.
>>>>>
>>>>> Those people are usually freaking out. But you don’t know it because
>>>>> they
>>>>> can still go through the interview.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Best!Melissa R Green and PJ
>>>>>
>>>>> Scentsy consultant readerlissa.scentsy.us
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jan 10, 2022, at 2:43 PM, Ericka Nelson via Job-Discussions <
>>>>> job-discussions at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Oh Robert you bomb! You have to have 50% optimism and 50% realism to
>>>>> look for a job. The trick is to figure out who is most sincere about
>>>>> hiring
>>>>> you had a job interview and who is just going through the motions.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ericka J. Nelson
>>>>>
>>>>> 1927 Green Valley Dr.
>>>>>
>>>>> Janesville WI 53546
>>>>>
>>>>> H: 608-754-8671
>>>>>
>>>>> C: 262-434-0817
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jan 10, 2022, at 12:06 PM, Robert Sollars via Job-Discussions <
>>>>> job-discussions at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Good idea, but the biased that most employers will have against hiring
>>>>> a
>>>>> disabled person, blind or just in a wheelchair is something that must
>>>>> be
>>>>> over come first. Most employers won’t see us as a fit or being able to
>>>>> do
>>>>> the job, just an annoyance that has to be dealt with because of federal
>>>>> law.
>>>>>
>>>>> Robert
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> *From:* Job-Discussions <job-discussions-bounces at nfbnet.org> *On Behalf
>>>>> Of *Karen Rose via Job-Discussions
>>>>> *Sent:* Monday, January 10, 2022 10:54 AM
>>>>> *To:* Job Discussions internet Mailing List
>>>>> <job-discussions at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> *Cc:* Karen Rose <rosekm at earthlink.net>
>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [Job-Discussions] introduction and two questions.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi. Given the extreme shortage of workers and the fact that businesses
>>>>> are closing for periods of time because of lack of staffing, is there
>>>>> something we can do, possibly nationally, to advertise to employers and
>>>>> recruiters that blind people are here, available to work, and excited
>>>>> for
>>>>> the opportunity? It seems like this could be a fantastic time to market
>>>>> blind people to desperate employers. Any thoughts?
>>>>>
>>>>> Karen Rose MFT/LPCC www.career-therapy.net
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jan 10, 2022, at 9:14 AM, Ericka via Job-Discussions <
>>>>> job-discussions at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I’m at a crossroads myself. Can’t go back to being on my feet working
>>>>> with seniors because of foot issues and leg problems. Waiting for
>>>>> vocational rehab assessment to be done and trying to discern myself
>>>>> where
>>>>> are my next move out to be. Thought you were working with kids before.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ericka Nelson
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jan 10, 2022, at 10:45 AM, Melissa R. Green via Job-Discussions <
>>>>> job-discussions at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi.
>>>>> Thank you so much Ericka.
>>>>> It is very helpful. Wibbb pat Pj for you.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Have a good day.
>>>>> Best!
>>>>> Melissa R. Green and Pj
>>>>> Scentsy consultant www.readerlissa.scentsy.com
>>>>> Contact me at: graduateenff%juno_com for more information and host and
>>>>> book a party and or explanation of products.
>>>>> Facebook: Melissa R. Green Goodreads: Melissa R. Green
>>>>> A home is nothing without the people you love inside of it.
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: Ericka via Job-Discussions <job-discussions at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> To: Job Discussions internet Mailing List <job-discussions at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Date: 01/10/2022 9:09 am
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Job-Discussions] introduction and two questions.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I am aware that there are jobs with spectrum/charter that are call
>>>>> center
>>>>> related. The process is kind of interesting. The skills inventory or
>>>>> whatever it is you take to help you determine which jobs to apply for
>>>>> is
>>>>> accessible. My husband did it on his iPhone with very little
>>>>> frustration
>>>>> which is very unusual.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Melissa I totally get it about not wanting to do cold calls or beg for
>>>>> charities. I wouldn't want to do that either. Sometimes communities
>>>>> have
>>>>> an
>>>>> app helping connect employers and perspective clients/workers.
>>>>> Janesville
>>>>> Wisconsin has such. A lot of times it's things like what you're looking
>>>>> for
>>>>> and then sometimes it's all factory work or house cleaning jobs.. Give
>>>>> PJ
>>>>> a
>>>>> pat for me!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Hope I've been a little bit a help. You just have to kind of go to
>>>>> company websites and check the career listing sometimes.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Ericka Nelson
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jan 7, 2022, at 7:59 PM, Melissa R. Green via Job-Discussions <
>>>>> job-discussions at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Hi abbl.
>>>>>
>>>>> My is melissa. I am in colorado.
>>>>>
>>>>> I am still looking for work. To us I have been doing research on jobs
>>>>> that I would be interested in and may be someone this list can assist
>>>>> me.
>>>>>
>>>>> How does someone become a reader advisor for the library for the blind?
>>>>>
>>>>> I received a job offer from TTEC. But they could not get their client
>>>>> to
>>>>> approve my acomodations, has anyone else gotten hired by TTEC? I am
>>>>> wondering if I should appy again with them?
>>>>>
>>>>> Lastly, where can I find crisis hotline jobs, tutoring and hditing
>>>>> paper
>>>>> jobs, or out bound or no sales jobs?
>>>>>
>>>>> Don't want to call for any kind of sales, or requesting money.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Have a good day.
>>>>>
>>>>> Best!
>>>>>
>>>>> Melissa R. Green and Pj
>>>>>
>>>>> Scentsy consultant www.readerlissa.scentsy.com
>>>>>
>>>>> Contact me at: graduateenff%juno_com for more information and host and
>>>>> book a party and or explanation of products.
>>>>>
>>>>> Facebook: Melissa R. Green Goodreads: Melissa R. Green
>>>>>
>>>>> A home is nothing without the people you love inside of it.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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