[Job-Listings] Fwd: [Job-Discussions] Equal Employment?

Fri Sep 16 20:58:41 UTC 2022

Hello Everyone,
I passed on the information about American Airlines raised in
Job-Discussions to Valerie Yinglng. She offered the following. Please make
a note of it. Maurice and Stephanie, this is definitely something we want
on our CEO website,
Thanks,
Dick Davis

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From: Yingling, Valerie <Vyingling at nfb.org>
Date: Fri, Sep 16, 2022 at 3:21 PM
Subject: RE: [Job-Discussions] Equal Employment?
To: dickblind at gmail.com <dickblind at gmail.com>

Hi Dick,

I will check into whether we have a contact at American with whom we can
raise this employment issue.

As far as resources for members, please share the following:

In May 2022, the U.S. Equal Employment Opportunity Commission (EEOC) and
the U.S. Department of Justice (DOJ) each released guidance regarding
disability discrimination when employers use artificial intelligence (AI)
and other software tools to make employment decisions. The guidance
includes that computer-based tests for applicants and other software tools
could result in unlawful discrimination against people with disabilities in
violation of the Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA) if the employer does
not provide a reasonable accommodation and/or screens out an individual
with disabilities.

   -
   https://www.eeoc.gov/newsroom/us-eeoc-and-us-department-justice-warn-against-disability-discrimination
   -
   https://www.eeoc.gov/laws/guidance/americans-disabilities-act-and-use-software-algorithms-and-artificial-intelligence
   - https://beta.ada.gov/resources/ai-guidance/

If your rights have been violated, you can file a charge of discrimination
with the EEOC at https://publicportal.eeoc.gov, by calling 1-800-669-4000,
or by visiting your local EEOC office (see https://www.eeoc.gov/field-office
for contact information).

Sincerely,

Valerie

Valerie Yingling

Legal Program Coordinator

200 East Wells Street, Baltimore, MD 21230

410-659-9314, extension 2440| vyingling at nfb.org

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*From:* dickblind at gmail.com <dickblind at gmail.com>
*Sent:* Wednesday, September 14, 2022 11:31 PM
*To:* Yingling, Valerie <Vyingling at nfb.org>
*Subject:* Fwd: [Job-Discussions] Equal Employment?

Valerie,

Access problem with American Airlines. What do you want us to do when we
run into an access issue?

Dick Davis

Sent from my iPhone

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*From:* Robert Sollars via Job-Discussions <job-discussions at nfbnet.org>
*Date:* September 14, 2022 at 3:13:11 PM CDT
*To:* haylieg2780 at gmail.com, Job Discussions internet Mailing List <
job-discussions at nfbnet.org>
*Cc:* Robert Sollars <robertsollars2 at gmail.com>
*Subject:* *Re: [Job-Discussions] Equal Employment?*
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job-discussions at nfbnet.org>

That I can understand…fully & completely.

Robert

*From:* Job-Discussions <job-discussions-bounces at nfbnet.org> *On
Behalf Of *Haylie
Gallacher via Job-Discussions
*Sent:* Wednesday, September 14, 2022 12:42 PM
*To:* 'Job Discussions internet Mailing List' <job-discussions at nfbnet.org>
*Cc:* Haylie Gallacher <jordanandseptember at gmail.com>
*Subject:* Re: [Job-Discussions] Equal Employment?

I actually have two businesses, but since work slowed down for both, I have
to look at all open doors for now.

Haylie

*From:* Job-Discussions <job-discussions-bounces at nfbnet.org> *On
Behalf Of *Robert
Sollars via Job-Discussions
*Sent:* Wednesday, September 14, 2022 3:21 PM
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job-discussions at nfbnet.org>
*Cc:* Robert Sollars <robertsollars2 at gmail.com>
*Subject:* Re: [Job-Discussions] Equal Employment?

With all respect Haylie, same thing happened to me.

That’s when I quit looking and started my own company.

That’s not for everyone but for me…

Robert

*From:* Job-Discussions <job-discussions-bounces at nfbnet.org> *On
Behalf Of *Haylie
Gallacher via Job-Discussions
*Sent:* Wednesday, September 14, 2022 11:45 AM
*To:* 'Job Discussions internet Mailing List' <job-discussions at nfbnet.org>
*Cc:* Haylie Gallacher <jordanandseptember at gmail.com>
*Subject:* Re: [Job-Discussions] Equal Employment?

I was sending my e-mails to the e-mail address that they gave for
accommodations, and I got no response.  I also got no response from any of
the recruiters who had contacted me about finishing the assessment either.
They clearly do not care.

Haylie

*From:* Job-Discussions <job-discussions-bounces at nfbnet.org> *On
Behalf Of *Michael
Walker via Job-Discussions
*Sent:* Wednesday, September 14, 2022 2:42 PM
*To:* Haylie Gallacher via Job-Discussions <job-discussions at nfbnet.org>
*Cc:* Michael Walker <michael.walker199014 at gmail.com>
*Subject:* Re: [Job-Discussions] Equal Employment?

Haylie,

Does American Airlines have a phone number for accommodations that you can
call on their career website?

Mike

On 9/14/2022 1:38 PM, Haylie Gallacher via Job-Discussions wrote:

American Airlines is a definite problem when it comes to this.  Even after
requesting accommodations for the part of the assessment they use that is
inaccessible, they ignore it completely and keep sending you e-mails that
the assessment must be completed or you will be removed from
consideration.  They never respond to any of the requests I made for
several positions with them when it came to part of the assessment.

Haylie

*From:* Job-Discussions <job-discussions-bounces at nfbnet.org>
<job-discussions-bounces at nfbnet.org> *On Behalf Of *Dick Davis via
Job-Discussions
*Sent:* Tuesday, September 13, 2022 11:08 PM
*To:* Job Discussions internet Mailing List <job-discussions at nfbnet.org>
<job-discussions at nfbnet.org>
*Cc:* dickblind at gmail.com
*Subject:* Re: [Job-Discussions] Equal Employment?

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 13, 2022, at 8:24 PM, Rhonda PartainRhonda via Job-Discussions <
job-discussions at nfbnet.org> wrote:

Hello, whenever I have been presented with an inaccessible assessment I
send an email to the HR department titled ADA accommodations request. That
usually gets me an answer.

Rhonda Partain

*From:* Job-Discussions <job-discussions-bounces at nfbnet.org> *On
Behalf Of *Michael
Walker via Job-Discussions
*Sent:* Tuesday, September 13, 2022 9:17 PM
*To:* Job Discussions internet Mailing List <job-discussions at nfbnet.org>
*Cc:* Michael Walker <michael.walker199014 at gmail.com>
*Subject:* Re: [Job-Discussions] Equal Employment?

Hi Richard,

This is a very interesting discussion. What happens in a situation like
this if you contact your counselor through your states vocational
rehabilitation agency?

Also, if material on the job is not accessible, how can you advocate for
internal company resources to be accessible? if parts of the job
application are not accessible, how likely is it that internal company
resources won’t be accessible? What websites can help blind people locate
companies that are proactive in accessibility?

Thank you,

Mike

On Sep 13, 2022, at 5:52 PM, Richard Davis via Job-Discussions <
job-discussions at nfbnet.org> wrote:

Hi Michael,

Welcome back! We split the Jobs listserv into two separate ones a few years
ago. In response to your question, we see this problem quite often.
Diversity and Inclusion departments often don't focus on blind people very
much, and some of the systems they use for recruitment are not accessible.
Making things accessible is their problem, not yours. I say that because
some employers think it is the responsibility of job applicants to figure
out how to use their systems. We can talk more about this, but here are
some basic suggestions:

Communicate with them, preferably in writing, telling them that their
assessment site is not accessible and requesting "reasonable accommodations
for testing."  I use that term because it activates the ADA. You have a
right to reasonable accommodations in the job application process. Ask them
to respond within a week, telling you what accommodations they are going to
make.

If they are uncooperative, contact Valerie Yingling, who runs our legal
program, at vyingling at nfb.org. She can talk to the employer and remind them
of their responsibilities. She can help you prepare a legal complaint if
they do not. Since I don't know what their name is, I cannot tell you what
laws might cover them, but I do know that the application process has to be
accessible. Valerie is the real expert on legal stuff.

That's all for now.

Best wishes,

Dick Davis

On Tue, Sep 13, 2022 at 5:31 PM Michael Baldwin via Job-Discussions <
job-discussions at nfbnet.org> wrote:

Thank you to those that responded to my earlier question on employment
gaps.]

I now have a question about EEO and applying for a job.

I applied for a job that requires an assessment.

The assessment, which they host on their own website is not accessible with
Jaws.

I contacted HR through their Twitter account. This was the only way listed
on their website. And explained in general terms that their assessment was
not accessible. Their response was that I should use Chrome and it would
work. So, I replied giving much more detail, including disclosing my
blindness. I have not heard anything back from them.

The ironic part, they have a whole department dedicated to Diversity and
Inclusion.

Does EEO and other employment laws extend to assessments that are required
for applying for the job?

This is a large corporation that I would think would be up to date on all
the employment laws.

Thanks,

Michael

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