[Mdpobc] more info for Question of the day

Mon Nov 18 22:50:11 UTC 2013

I am teaching two blind students who are bright, like to read braille, and 
have good comprehension.  They both have problems with spelling and 
punctuation.  I think this is because of too much exposure to audio in early 
grades.  That is probably done because schools don't want to spend money on 
braille embossers and braille displays.  When I waas a student, we didn't 
have marked-up DAISY, so we had to take notes on our audiobooks.  And, of 
course, how do you take notes?

Debbie Brown

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kyle Richmond" <Kyle.Richmond2009 at comcast.net>
To: "Maryland Parents of Blind Children List" <mdpobc at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Monday, November 18, 2013 12:51 PM
Subject: Re: [Mdpobc] more info for Question of the day

> agree everything Melissa suggested regarding the braille display for 
> iproducts, excellent.  Besides reading books and textbooks etc.  --  
> another reason iphone necess --  I cannot stress enough --- If you have a 
> blind teenager in high school and off to college soon, it can't be just 
> any cell phone.  Must have an iphone5, ipod, ipad, etc.  Your blind 
> teenager must be able to FB, text and twitter in order not to be socially 
> isolated. Teenagers espec in college, per my experience, absolutely will 
> not use their voice on a phone at all ever.
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Melissa Ann Riccobono" <melissa at riccobono.us>
> To: "'Maryland Parents of Blind Children List'" <mdpobc at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Monday, November 18, 2013 11:54 AM
> Subject: Re: [Mdpobc] more info for Question of the day
>
>
>> Sorry, I'm coming into this discussion a little late! I just want to add
>> that, along with the iPhone, getting a Braille display of some type is
>> crucial for Braille readers. This allows access to books from bookshare 
>> and
>> other places in Braille instantly. In addition, students can read email,
>> text messages, web pages, and so on in Braille, and can also use the 
>> display
>> to write texts, Facebook posts, Tweets, emails, etc. The display also 
>> makes
>> navigating the phone easier in my opinion. Also, even younger students 
>> can
>> become familiar with an iPod and Braille display if you do not want them 
>> to
>> have a cell phone yet. Most things can be accomplished with an iPod that 
>> can
>> be done with an iPhone. Finally, some books will still only be available 
>> as
>> audio files. This includes audio hooks produced by the National Library
>> Service, and, I believe, books produced by Learning Ally. Still, Braille 
>> is
>> crucial, and personally, I don't know what I would do without my Braille
>> display along with my iPhone.
>> Melissa
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Mdpobc [mailto:mdpobc-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kyle 
>> Richmond
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2013 6:02 PM
>> To: SUSAN POLANSKY; Maryland Parents of Blind Children List
>> Subject: Re: [Mdpobc] more info for Question of the day
>>
>> My son is a little older than Jason, Susan's son, and is already in his 
>> 3rd
>> year of college.  So I just wanted to add on to what Susan said.  I do 
>> agree
>> with all she said.
>> It's important that kids learn how to use a Victor reader or stream and 
>> how
>> to learn through audio books.  However, technology is moving so fast and
>> becomes obsolete so fast, that looking back on my experience with my own
>> son, I would not have him spend time using a Victor.  I would advise any
>> older blind teenager to not spend their own money on a Victor but rather 
>> to
>> put that money towards an iphone5 and learn how to use an iphone5 really
>> well.  In this way, they can start college being able to facebook, email,
>> skype, and text, which are all critical skills for any type of social
>> interaction at college.  And equally important, with an iphone you can
>> upload books and textbooks instantanously from Learning Ally or Amazon or
>> wherever.  The Victor was wonderful a few years ago; my advice is move
>> forward and get your teenager an iphone and make sure they learn how to 
>> use
>> every feature and app.
>> Jill
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: SUSAN POLANSKY <mailto:sepolansky at verizon.net>
>> To: Maryland Parents of Blind Children List
>> <mailto:mdpobc at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2013 5:05 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Mdpobc] Question of the day
>>
>> Trudy
>>
>> I don't have much to add as Karen, Wendy and Jill have very
>> effectively expressed my thoughts. Jason had all Braille through Middle
>> School although in resource time with his TBVI's they did work on 
>> learning
>> the Victor reader and Stream. Books for the Reader and Stream were not
>> school books, they were for pleasure reading and learning to use the
>> technology. I was told by Jason's TBVI's that since in advanced grades 
>> and
>> college some books will be audio the students need to be proficient in
>> learning by listening. Technology is changing so much of that. Jason does
>> some audio but tends to blue tooth his Braille Note to computer or iPod
>> [what ever the book is on, he has not used the Stream or Reader for 
>> years]
>> and reads using the refreshable Braille.
>>
>> Susan
>>
>> From: Trudy Pickrel <tlpickrel at hotmail.com>
>> To: Maryland Parents of Blind Children List <mdpobc at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2013 3:48 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Mdpobc] Question of the day
>>
>>
>> They said there were some that used Audio books
>>
>>
>> Trudy Pickrel
>> President Md Parent Blind Children.
>> 301-501-1818
>> http://www.tlcbythelake.com/
>>
>>
>> On Nov 13, 2013, at 3:45 PM, Wendy Nusbaum <wendynusbaum at yahoo.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> Trudy
>> I thought of one more thing. If they want reading to be
>> "enjoyable" does that mean for everyone?  Are the print readers getting 
>> to
>> use audio books if they don't like to read print?
>>
>> Wendy
>>
>> Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID
>>
>>
>> Trudy Pickrel <tlpickrel at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Thank you all. Wonderful words to take to IEP next week.
>> Ahhhh. Hate that it always feels  like me against them
>>
>> Wendy.
>> Love that. If not proficient in Braille he is basically
>> illiterate and they will be responsible for that.
>>
>>
>> Wendy
>>
>>
>> Trudy Pickrel
>> President Md Parent Blind Children.
>> 301-501-1818
>> http://www.tlcbythelake.com/
>>
>>
>> On Nov 13, 2013, at 1:33 PM, Wendy Nusbaum
>> <wendynusbaum at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> Trudy
>> I agree with Karen. Our kids have to be proficient
>> in Braille before audio books become the standard.
>>
>> With that said now that Chris is in HS he is working
>> from one audio textbook. Mainly because the edition he needed was not
>> available in Braille. I did not fight this because I have been told by
>> college students that they wished they had done more audio learning in HS
>> since many of their textbooks had not been available in Braille.
>>
>> Basically they have to be good at both but Braille
>> should come first.  Tell them if he is not proficient in Braille he is
>> basically illiterate and they will be responsible for that.
>>
>> Wendy
>>
>> Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID
>>
>>
>> Karen Frech Herstein <hersteink at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Hi Trudy,
>> I would want my child to be fast and proficient with
>> Braille before I would let him/her use adible books. I would want my 
>> sighted
>> child to be proficient in reading print before he/she used adible books. 
>> My
>> daughter "loves" to read books and she did not use adible books unless
>> Braille was not available. Braille wasavailable almost all the time.
>> Good Luck!
>> Karen Herstein
>>
>>
>> > From: tlpickrel at hotmail.com
>> > Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2013 12:48:00 -0500
>> > To: mdpobc at nfbnet.org
>> > Subject: [Mdpobc] Question of the day
>> >
>> > So last night at parent teacher conference I find
>> out that they have been allowing our son in six grade to do all 
>> audiobooks.
>> Reason why I don't know. The language arts teacher said will you please
>> consider allowing him to do this after I stated that this was concerning 
>> to
>> me. Because he says he wants reading to be enjoyable. Excepting all 
>> thoughts
>> on this.
>> >
>> > Mine is No. Must have Braille under fingers. If
>> their concern is slowness and enjoyment the only way to get that is with
>> repetition.
>> >
>> > What is your thoughts
>> >
>> > Trudy Pickrel
>> > President Md Parent Blind Children.
>> > 301-501-1818
>> > http://www.tlcbythelake.com/
>> >
>> >
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