[Mdpobc] more info for Question of the day

Tue Nov 19 01:24:58 UTC 2013

My student who loves audio books and is not motivated to read braille is
not good at all with spelling or punctuation, although she is a very bright
3rd grader. She is beginning to realize that she doesn't learn those things
by listening.

On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 5:50 PM, Debbie Brown <deborahb14 at verizon.net>wrote:

> I am teaching two blind students who are bright, like to read braille, and
> have good comprehension.  They both have problems with spelling and
> punctuation.  I think this is because of too much exposure to audio in
> early grades.  That is probably done because schools don't want to spend
> money on braille embossers and braille displays.  When I waas a student, we
> didn't have marked-up DAISY, so we had to take notes on our audiobooks.
>  And, of course, how do you take notes?
>
> Debbie Brown
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kyle Richmond" <
> Kyle.Richmond2009 at comcast.net>
> To: "Maryland Parents of Blind Children List" <mdpobc at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Monday, November 18, 2013 12:51 PM
> Subject: Re: [Mdpobc] more info for Question of the day
>
>
>  agree everything Melissa suggested regarding the braille display for
>> iproducts, excellent.  Besides reading books and textbooks etc.  --
>>  another reason iphone necess --  I cannot stress enough --- If you have a
>> blind teenager in high school and off to college soon, it can't be just any
>> cell phone.  Must have an iphone5, ipod, ipad, etc.  Your blind teenager
>> must be able to FB, text and twitter in order not to be socially isolated.
>> Teenagers espec in college, per my experience, absolutely will not use
>> their voice on a phone at all ever.
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Melissa Ann Riccobono" <
>> melissa at riccobono.us>
>> To: "'Maryland Parents of Blind Children List'" <mdpobc at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Monday, November 18, 2013 11:54 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Mdpobc] more info for Question of the day
>>
>>
>>  Sorry, I'm coming into this discussion a little late! I just want to add
>>> that, along with the iPhone, getting a Braille display of some type is
>>> crucial for Braille readers. This allows access to books from bookshare
>>> and
>>> other places in Braille instantly. In addition, students can read email,
>>> text messages, web pages, and so on in Braille, and can also use the
>>> display
>>> to write texts, Facebook posts, Tweets, emails, etc. The display also
>>> makes
>>> navigating the phone easier in my opinion. Also, even younger students
>>> can
>>> become familiar with an iPod and Braille display if you do not want them
>>> to
>>> have a cell phone yet. Most things can be accomplished with an iPod that
>>> can
>>> be done with an iPhone. Finally, some books will still only be available
>>> as
>>> audio files. This includes audio hooks produced by the National Library
>>> Service, and, I believe, books produced by Learning Ally. Still, Braille
>>> is
>>> crucial, and personally, I don't know what I would do without my Braille
>>> display along with my iPhone.
>>> Melissa
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Mdpobc [mailto:mdpobc-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kyle
>>> Richmond
>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2013 6:02 PM
>>> To: SUSAN POLANSKY; Maryland Parents of Blind Children List
>>> Subject: Re: [Mdpobc] more info for Question of the day
>>>
>>> My son is a little older than Jason, Susan's son, and is already in his
>>> 3rd
>>> year of college.  So I just wanted to add on to what Susan said.  I do
>>> agree
>>> with all she said.
>>> It's important that kids learn how to use a Victor reader or stream and
>>> how
>>> to learn through audio books.  However, technology is moving so fast and
>>> becomes obsolete so fast, that looking back on my experience with my own
>>> son, I would not have him spend time using a Victor.  I would advise any
>>> older blind teenager to not spend their own money on a Victor but rather
>>> to
>>> put that money towards an iphone5 and learn how to use an iphone5 really
>>> well.  In this way, they can start college being able to facebook, email,
>>> skype, and text, which are all critical skills for any type of social
>>> interaction at college.  And equally important, with an iphone you can
>>> upload books and textbooks instantanously from Learning Ally or Amazon or
>>> wherever.  The Victor was wonderful a few years ago; my advice is move
>>> forward and get your teenager an iphone and make sure they learn how to
>>> use
>>> every feature and app.
>>> Jill
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: SUSAN POLANSKY <mailto:
>>> sepolansky at verizon.net>
>>> To: Maryland Parents of Blind Children List
>>> <mailto:mdpobc at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2013 5:05 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Mdpobc] Question of the day
>>>
>>> Trudy
>>>
>>> I don't have much to add as Karen, Wendy and Jill have very
>>> effectively expressed my thoughts. Jason had all Braille through Middle
>>> School although in resource time with his TBVI's they did work on
>>> learning
>>> the Victor reader and Stream. Books for the Reader and Stream were not
>>> school books, they were for pleasure reading and learning to use the
>>> technology. I was told by Jason's TBVI's that since in advanced grades
>>> and
>>> college some books will be audio the students need to be proficient in
>>> learning by listening. Technology is changing so much of that. Jason does
>>> some audio but tends to blue tooth his Braille Note to computer or iPod
>>> [what ever the book is on, he has not used the Stream or Reader for
>>> years]
>>> and reads using the refreshable Braille.
>>>
>>> Susan
>>>
>>> From: Trudy Pickrel <tlpickrel at hotmail.com>
>>> To: Maryland Parents of Blind Children List <mdpobc at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2013 3:48 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Mdpobc] Question of the day
>>>
>>>
>>> They said there were some that used Audio books
>>>
>>>
>>> Trudy Pickrel
>>> President Md Parent Blind Children.
>>> 301-501-1818
>>> http://www.tlcbythelake.com/
>>>
>>>
>>> On Nov 13, 2013, at 3:45 PM, Wendy Nusbaum <wendynusbaum at yahoo.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Trudy
>>> I thought of one more thing. If they want reading to be
>>> "enjoyable" does that mean for everyone?  Are the print readers getting
>>> to
>>> use audio books if they don't like to read print?
>>>
>>> Wendy
>>>
>>> Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID
>>>
>>>
>>> Trudy Pickrel <tlpickrel at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Thank you all. Wonderful words to take to IEP next week.
>>> Ahhhh. Hate that it always feels  like me against them
>>>
>>> Wendy.
>>> Love that. If not proficient in Braille he is basically
>>> illiterate and they will be responsible for that.
>>>
>>>
>>> Wendy
>>>
>>>
>>> Trudy Pickrel
>>> President Md Parent Blind Children.
>>> 301-501-1818
>>> http://www.tlcbythelake.com/
>>>
>>>
>>> On Nov 13, 2013, at 1:33 PM, Wendy Nusbaum
>>> <wendynusbaum at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Trudy
>>> I agree with Karen. Our kids have to be proficient
>>> in Braille before audio books become the standard.
>>>
>>> With that said now that Chris is in HS he is working
>>> from one audio textbook. Mainly because the edition he needed was not
>>> available in Braille. I did not fight this because I have been told by
>>> college students that they wished they had done more audio learning in HS
>>> since many of their textbooks had not been available in Braille.
>>>
>>> Basically they have to be good at both but Braille
>>> should come first.  Tell them if he is not proficient in Braille he is
>>> basically illiterate and they will be responsible for that.
>>>
>>> Wendy
>>>
>>> Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID
>>>
>>>
>>> Karen Frech Herstein <hersteink at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi Trudy,
>>> I would want my child to be fast and proficient with
>>> Braille before I would let him/her use adible books. I would want my
>>> sighted
>>> child to be proficient in reading print before he/she used adible books.
>>> My
>>> daughter "loves" to read books and she did not use adible books unless
>>> Braille was not available. Braille wasavailable almost all the time.
>>> Good Luck!
>>> Karen Herstein
>>>
>>>
>>> > From: tlpickrel at hotmail.com
>>> > Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2013 12:48:00 -0500
>>> > To: mdpobc at nfbnet.org
>>> > Subject: [Mdpobc] Question of the day
>>> >
>>> > So last night at parent teacher conference I find
>>> out that they have been allowing our son in six grade to do all
>>> audiobooks.
>>> Reason why I don't know. The language arts teacher said will you please
>>> consider allowing him to do this after I stated that this was concerning
>>> to
>>> me. Because he says he wants reading to be enjoyable. Excepting all
>>> thoughts
>>> on this.
>>> >
>>> > Mine is No. Must have Braille under fingers. If
>>> their concern is slowness and enjoyment the only way to get that is with
>>> repetition.
>>> >
>>> > What is your thoughts
>>> >
>>> > Trudy Pickrel
>>> > President Md Parent Blind Children.
>>> > 301-501-1818
>>> > http://www.tlcbythelake.com/
>>> >
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