[musictlk] Chord chart
Kaiti Shelton
crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com
Sun Feb 16 04:04:02 UTC 2014
Hi Marissa,
Brandon is again right---intervals are just one of the rudaments of
music, so you need to learn them first in order to grasps chord
structure. If you cannot understand the descriptions given on this
thread, why not ask someone who plays piano from your class, or a
teacher to show you? If your school has a music theory class, maybe
seek out the teacher of that for basic help. They'll probably have no
problem with showing you these things; theory teachers tend to geek
out about this stuff, and will appreciate your interest.
And, you can also try doing the exercises I described in my last
email. If you go through the email a sentence at a time or with your
piano in front of you so you can see what I was talking about, it
should make much more sense.
If your hard and fast about looking online my theory professor's
textbook is online. Just search for Sound Patterns University of
Dayton in google and it will pop right up. Chapters 1-5 are the basic
elements of music, including intervals and basic chord structures.
Although this textbook is used in college theory classes, it does a
pretty good job of spelling everything out, and he even added links to
wikipedia articles for words in the text students may not understand.
It may be worth a shot.
On 2/15/14, marissa <pianogirlforlife7 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> No because it makes no sense if the speech reads it either way.
> It makes more sense if I were to read it, because then I could
> think about it better and actually remember it in my voice,
> saying the notes and such.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Brandon Keith Biggs <brandonkeithbiggs at gmail.com
> To: Music Talk Mailing List <musictlk at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Sat, 15 Feb 2014 19:40:01 -0800
> Subject: Re: [musictlk] Chord chart
>
> Hello,
> are you going character by character through the line?
> thanks,
>
> Brandon Keith Biggs
>
> On 2/15/2014 7:36 PM, marissa wrote:
> It reads f as ... f. Not sure how you put it.
>
>
>
> Nevermed, I looked at the bottom. It reads the f number as just
> an f,
> I don't even know how you wrote that, it won't let me.
>
>
> As for the piano, I have no teacher and no means of getting one.
> I
> have to learn on my own basically.
> I know intervals and arpegios (spelled correctly obviously). I
> know
> some of these things, just not which notes go to which chords
> and in
> which order they can appear in.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Brandon Keith Biggs <brandonkeithbiggs at gmail.com
> To: Music Talk Mailing List <musictlk at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Sat, 15 Feb 2014 19:29:40 -0800
> Subject: Re: [musictlk] Chord chart
>
> Hello Marissa,
> This is so basic that everything in music stems from these
> concepts.
> If you are not grasping it from my descriptions or Kaiti's, you
> will
> need someone at a piano to show you. You can't advance in any
> music
> class until you understand the major and minor scales, the
> chromatic
> scale, intervals, chords and how they are written and sound.
> Here in America you also need to know your do re mi.
>
> I'm just wondering if your apex reads f# as an f number?
> thanks,
>
> Brandon Keith Biggs
>
> On 2/15/2014 7:18 PM, marissa wrote:
> That is the most confusing email I have ever heard with speech.
> lol I
> am sick of speech and no display. Have to deal with it for at
> least
> two more weeks though. grr
>
>
> Is there anything on youtube, or any charts, anything like that,
> that
> would help?
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Kaiti Shelton <crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com
> To: Music Talk Mailing List <musictlk at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Sat, 15 Feb 2014 22:08:22 -0500
> Subject: Re: [musictlk] Chord chart
>
> Hi Marissa,
>
> You are right about the C minor chord being C Eb G, but you have
> a few
> other things a little mixed up. A D major chord would be D F#
> A, and
> a D minor chord would b D F A. What you were describing with D
> F# B
> is actually an inverted B minor chord, which in root position
> would b
> B D F#.
>
> Basically, Brandon was right when he said knowing your chords
> all
> comes down to intervals. In most cases it's just identifying
> major
> and minor 3rds. There are more complex chords which have 2
> major 3rds
> on top of each other and 2 minors as well, but for right now
> just
> focus on identifying major and minor chords in root position.
>
> The chromatic scale just goes up every half step, so it would be
> written like this: C C# D D# E F F# G G# A A# B C. If you were
> going
> down it would be written with all flats as: C B Bb A Ab G Gb F E
> Eb D
> Db C. This is because sharps indicate an upwards motion, and
> flats
> indicate downwards.
>
> It might be easier if you do some thinking about the chords
> while
> looking at a piano. On the keyboard every single key is a half
> step
> in relation to other keys. The intervals in root position major
> and
> minor chords will always be the same, so try moving a major and
> minor
> chord around on the piano and see how it sounds. For example,
> play C
> E G which is a C major chord, then move the entire chord up a
> whole
> step to D F# and A to get a D major chord. F A C will be F
> major, G B
> D will be G major, and so on. To answer your question about E
> major,
> that is E G# and B. You'll primarily have your hand in one of
> two
> positions; with C, F, and G major chords all your fingers will
> be on
> white keys, with a white key in between each one you are using.
> C,
> skip D, E, skip F, and G, for example. The other shape will
> have your
> thumb and ring fingers on white keys, but your index finger
> playing a
> black key. D, skip E, F# on a black key, skip G, and A, for
> example.
> The only diatonic chord, or chord which has a root on one of the
> white
> keys, that you won't be able to use these shapes for is B major,
> but
> if you want to try it you will have your thumb on B which is
> white,
> your index finger on D# which is black, and your ring finger or
> pinky
> on F#. I would recommend primarily sticking to C through A for
> now
> though.
>
> I hope this helps.
>
> On 2/15/14, marissa <pianogirlforlife7 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Not that well. But I think I do have more of an understanding
> of
> minor and major chords after listening to those things on the
> site. But if c e and g is a c major chord, then wouldn't that
> make c e-flat g be a c minor chord? Also, if the d f-sharp b is
> the d major chord, what about the d f b?
> It is confusing when it comes to the e major chord because I'm
> th'king it's e g-sharp b, but what about e-;g-b or the e f-sharp
> b.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Brandon Keith Biggs <brandonkeithbiggs at gmail.com
> To: Music Talk Mailing List <musictlk at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Sat, 15 Feb 2014 18:17:50 -0800
> Subject: Re: [musictlk] Chord chart
>
> Hello,
> in Braille the number sign is just a number sign in computer
> Braille.
> The # is the sharp and the b is the flat.
> d, f#, a
> d natural, f sharp, a natural.
>
> I probably should have asked if you know the chromatic scale?
> thanks,
>
> Brandon Keith Biggs
>
> On 2/15/2014 10:43 AM, marissa wrote:
>
> I have no clue how to write that. But, when you say like an eb
> or fb
> or something like that, is the b the flat or the sharp?
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Brandon Keith Biggs <brandonkeithbiggs at gmail.com
> To: Music Talk Mailing List <musictlk at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Sat, 15 Feb 2014 10:36:31 -0800
> Subject: Re: [musictlk] Chord chart
>
> Hello,
> You don't really need one, just know the intervals
> major third minor third is a major
> minor third major third is a minor
> for example:
> c, e, g = major third, minor third (c, e = major third), (e, g
> =
> minor
> third).
> c, eb, g = minor third, major third. (c, eb = minor third),
> (eb, g =
> major third).
> Don't just use your tts and scroll over those descriptions,
> read
> them
> letter by letter or they won't make sense.
> From what you gave as an example, you are getting lost with
> inversions
> as well.
> Each chord is basically 3 notes, and they are bassed off
> something
> called a "root". This "root" is what we say when we reference
> the chord:
> "C minor chord, G major chord, E major chord..."
> The root is what we base everything off of. The other notes
> can
> be
> either above or below the root in the scale, so the chord can
> be: e, c,
> g or g, e, c or g, c, e or any order you can think of.
> But when you are trying to figure out a chord, you pick apart
> the notes
> and put them into what we call root position. That is:
> c, e, g
> In root position you have 2 3rds of some quality stacked on top
> of one
> another.
> Try and process the above and really understand it, because all
> chords
> are based off 3rds in some way. They are all stacked 3rds.
> Once you get that idea, you can move to using the thought that
> a
> triad
> is composed of a root, a 3rd and a 5th. That means that from
> the root, a
> triad has a note that is both a 3rd above it and a note that is
> a 5th
> above it. So a triad is both 2 3rds stacked on top of one
> another and it
> is a 3rd and a 5th above the base. Most musicians think of
> chords as a
> 3rd and 5th above the base. That is because when you move to
> non root
> position chords, (e, g, c) you look at the bottom note which is
> actually
> called the bass. So in a root position chord you have the root
> as "the
> bass" in the chord (e, g, c), you have the e as "the bass".
> When referencing the chord you only need to know the root, bass
> and
> quality in order to tell someone what to play on the piano. A
> chord in
> this format is:
> G root position minor chord.
> Root position is often just referenced as "G minor" rather than
> saying
> "G root position minor".
> With E in the bass on a c chord, we call it "first inversion".
> That
> means that:
> bass = e
> root = c
> quality = major
> so you would say: "c first inversion major chord".
> This holds true for all triads.
> If you have g in the bass on the above c major chord, it would
> be called
> "second inversion". So you would say "c second inversion major
> chord".
> bass = g
> root = c
> quality = major
> There are other chords that add extra notes in thirds above the
> 5th, so
> you have something like: "c, e, g, b" and that is called a C7
> chord. But
> don't worry about those right now. Just get the 2 main
> qualities, major
> and minor and that all chords are 3rds stacked on top of one
> another
> which is also known as a root, 3rd and 5th.
> The major chord is exactly the same as the minor chord, but the
> 3rd is a
> half step down in the minor chord from the major chord.
> so write back with your own chord chart based off the above
> description.
> I'll give you an example:
> c, e, g = c root position major chord
> c, eb, g = c root position minor chord
> c#, e#, g# = c# root position major chord
> c#, e, g# = c# root position minor chord
> d, f#, a = d root position major chord
> d, f, a = d root position minor chord
> ...
> Hope this helps!
>
> Brandon Keith Biggs
>
> On 2/15/2014 6:55 AM, marissa wrote:
> Hi,
> Does anyone have a chord chart? A basic one that explains the
> chords,
> minor and major? Like this:
>
> c chord, c e g.
> g minor chord: g d b
> Wrong notes, I know.
>
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