[musictlk] Chord chart
Kaiti Shelton
crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com
Sun Feb 16 04:15:22 UTC 2014
Hi Marissa,
Here is the link to the Sound Patterns page on intervals. Feel free
to check it out; my professor may explain it a little better than
Brandon or I have so far.
http://academic.udayton.edu/PhillipMagnuson/soundpatterns/fundamentals/vocabulary.html
On 2/15/14, Kaiti Shelton <crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Marissa,
>
> Brandon is again right---intervals are just one of the rudaments of
> music, so you need to learn them first in order to grasps chord
> structure. If you cannot understand the descriptions given on this
> thread, why not ask someone who plays piano from your class, or a
> teacher to show you? If your school has a music theory class, maybe
> seek out the teacher of that for basic help. They'll probably have no
> problem with showing you these things; theory teachers tend to geek
> out about this stuff, and will appreciate your interest.
>
> And, you can also try doing the exercises I described in my last
> email. If you go through the email a sentence at a time or with your
> piano in front of you so you can see what I was talking about, it
> should make much more sense.
>
> If your hard and fast about looking online my theory professor's
> textbook is online. Just search for Sound Patterns University of
> Dayton in google and it will pop right up. Chapters 1-5 are the basic
> elements of music, including intervals and basic chord structures.
> Although this textbook is used in college theory classes, it does a
> pretty good job of spelling everything out, and he even added links to
> wikipedia articles for words in the text students may not understand.
> It may be worth a shot.
>
> On 2/15/14, marissa <pianogirlforlife7 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> No because it makes no sense if the speech reads it either way.
>> It makes more sense if I were to read it, because then I could
>> think about it better and actually remember it in my voice,
>> saying the notes and such.
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Brandon Keith Biggs <brandonkeithbiggs at gmail.com
>> To: Music Talk Mailing List <musictlk at nfbnet.org
>> Date sent: Sat, 15 Feb 2014 19:40:01 -0800
>> Subject: Re: [musictlk] Chord chart
>>
>> Hello,
>> are you going character by character through the line?
>> thanks,
>>
>> Brandon Keith Biggs
>>
>> On 2/15/2014 7:36 PM, marissa wrote:
>> It reads f as ... f. Not sure how you put it.
>>
>>
>>
>> Nevermed, I looked at the bottom. It reads the f number as just
>> an f,
>> I don't even know how you wrote that, it won't let me.
>>
>>
>> As for the piano, I have no teacher and no means of getting one.
>> I
>> have to learn on my own basically.
>> I know intervals and arpegios (spelled correctly obviously). I
>> know
>> some of these things, just not which notes go to which chords
>> and in
>> which order they can appear in.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Brandon Keith Biggs <brandonkeithbiggs at gmail.com
>> To: Music Talk Mailing List <musictlk at nfbnet.org
>> Date sent: Sat, 15 Feb 2014 19:29:40 -0800
>> Subject: Re: [musictlk] Chord chart
>>
>> Hello Marissa,
>> This is so basic that everything in music stems from these
>> concepts.
>> If you are not grasping it from my descriptions or Kaiti's, you
>> will
>> need someone at a piano to show you. You can't advance in any
>> music
>> class until you understand the major and minor scales, the
>> chromatic
>> scale, intervals, chords and how they are written and sound.
>> Here in America you also need to know your do re mi.
>>
>> I'm just wondering if your apex reads f# as an f number?
>> thanks,
>>
>> Brandon Keith Biggs
>>
>> On 2/15/2014 7:18 PM, marissa wrote:
>> That is the most confusing email I have ever heard with speech.
>> lol I
>> am sick of speech and no display. Have to deal with it for at
>> least
>> two more weeks though. grr
>>
>>
>> Is there anything on youtube, or any charts, anything like that,
>> that
>> would help?
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Kaiti Shelton <crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com
>> To: Music Talk Mailing List <musictlk at nfbnet.org
>> Date sent: Sat, 15 Feb 2014 22:08:22 -0500
>> Subject: Re: [musictlk] Chord chart
>>
>> Hi Marissa,
>>
>> You are right about the C minor chord being C Eb G, but you have
>> a few
>> other things a little mixed up. A D major chord would be D F#
>> A, and
>> a D minor chord would b D F A. What you were describing with D
>> F# B
>> is actually an inverted B minor chord, which in root position
>> would b
>> B D F#.
>>
>> Basically, Brandon was right when he said knowing your chords
>> all
>> comes down to intervals. In most cases it's just identifying
>> major
>> and minor 3rds. There are more complex chords which have 2
>> major 3rds
>> on top of each other and 2 minors as well, but for right now
>> just
>> focus on identifying major and minor chords in root position.
>>
>> The chromatic scale just goes up every half step, so it would be
>> written like this: C C# D D# E F F# G G# A A# B C. If you were
>> going
>> down it would be written with all flats as: C B Bb A Ab G Gb F E
>> Eb D
>> Db C. This is because sharps indicate an upwards motion, and
>> flats
>> indicate downwards.
>>
>> It might be easier if you do some thinking about the chords
>> while
>> looking at a piano. On the keyboard every single key is a half
>> step
>> in relation to other keys. The intervals in root position major
>> and
>> minor chords will always be the same, so try moving a major and
>> minor
>> chord around on the piano and see how it sounds. For example,
>> play C
>> E G which is a C major chord, then move the entire chord up a
>> whole
>> step to D F# and A to get a D major chord. F A C will be F
>> major, G B
>> D will be G major, and so on. To answer your question about E
>> major,
>> that is E G# and B. You'll primarily have your hand in one of
>> two
>> positions; with C, F, and G major chords all your fingers will
>> be on
>> white keys, with a white key in between each one you are using.
>> C,
>> skip D, E, skip F, and G, for example. The other shape will
>> have your
>> thumb and ring fingers on white keys, but your index finger
>> playing a
>> black key. D, skip E, F# on a black key, skip G, and A, for
>> example.
>> The only diatonic chord, or chord which has a root on one of the
>> white
>> keys, that you won't be able to use these shapes for is B major,
>> but
>> if you want to try it you will have your thumb on B which is
>> white,
>> your index finger on D# which is black, and your ring finger or
>> pinky
>> on F#. I would recommend primarily sticking to C through A for
>> now
>> though.
>>
>> I hope this helps.
>>
>> On 2/15/14, marissa <pianogirlforlife7 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Not that well. But I think I do have more of an understanding
>> of
>> minor and major chords after listening to those things on the
>> site. But if c e and g is a c major chord, then wouldn't that
>> make c e-flat g be a c minor chord? Also, if the d f-sharp b is
>> the d major chord, what about the d f b?
>> It is confusing when it comes to the e major chord because I'm
>> th'king it's e g-sharp b, but what about e-;g-b or the e f-sharp
>> b.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Brandon Keith Biggs <brandonkeithbiggs at gmail.com
>> To: Music Talk Mailing List <musictlk at nfbnet.org
>> Date sent: Sat, 15 Feb 2014 18:17:50 -0800
>> Subject: Re: [musictlk] Chord chart
>>
>> Hello,
>> in Braille the number sign is just a number sign in computer
>> Braille.
>> The # is the sharp and the b is the flat.
>> d, f#, a
>> d natural, f sharp, a natural.
>>
>> I probably should have asked if you know the chromatic scale?
>> thanks,
>>
>> Brandon Keith Biggs
>>
>> On 2/15/2014 10:43 AM, marissa wrote:
>>
>> I have no clue how to write that. But, when you say like an eb
>> or fb
>> or something like that, is the b the flat or the sharp?
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Brandon Keith Biggs <brandonkeithbiggs at gmail.com
>> To: Music Talk Mailing List <musictlk at nfbnet.org
>> Date sent: Sat, 15 Feb 2014 10:36:31 -0800
>> Subject: Re: [musictlk] Chord chart
>>
>> Hello,
>> You don't really need one, just know the intervals
>> major third minor third is a major
>> minor third major third is a minor
>> for example:
>> c, e, g = major third, minor third (c, e = major third), (e, g
>> =
>> minor
>> third).
>> c, eb, g = minor third, major third. (c, eb = minor third),
>> (eb, g =
>> major third).
>> Don't just use your tts and scroll over those descriptions,
>> read
>> them
>> letter by letter or they won't make sense.
>> From what you gave as an example, you are getting lost with
>> inversions
>> as well.
>> Each chord is basically 3 notes, and they are bassed off
>> something
>> called a "root". This "root" is what we say when we reference
>> the chord:
>> "C minor chord, G major chord, E major chord..."
>> The root is what we base everything off of. The other notes
>> can
>> be
>> either above or below the root in the scale, so the chord can
>> be: e, c,
>> g or g, e, c or g, c, e or any order you can think of.
>> But when you are trying to figure out a chord, you pick apart
>> the notes
>> and put them into what we call root position. That is:
>> c, e, g
>> In root position you have 2 3rds of some quality stacked on top
>> of one
>> another.
>> Try and process the above and really understand it, because all
>> chords
>> are based off 3rds in some way. They are all stacked 3rds.
>> Once you get that idea, you can move to using the thought that
>> a
>> triad
>> is composed of a root, a 3rd and a 5th. That means that from
>> the root, a
>> triad has a note that is both a 3rd above it and a note that is
>> a 5th
>> above it. So a triad is both 2 3rds stacked on top of one
>> another and it
>> is a 3rd and a 5th above the base. Most musicians think of
>> chords as a
>> 3rd and 5th above the base. That is because when you move to
>> non root
>> position chords, (e, g, c) you look at the bottom note which is
>> actually
>> called the bass. So in a root position chord you have the root
>> as "the
>> bass" in the chord (e, g, c), you have the e as "the bass".
>> When referencing the chord you only need to know the root, bass
>> and
>> quality in order to tell someone what to play on the piano. A
>> chord in
>> this format is:
>> G root position minor chord.
>> Root position is often just referenced as "G minor" rather than
>> saying
>> "G root position minor".
>> With E in the bass on a c chord, we call it "first inversion".
>> That
>> means that:
>> bass = e
>> root = c
>> quality = major
>> so you would say: "c first inversion major chord".
>> This holds true for all triads.
>> If you have g in the bass on the above c major chord, it would
>> be called
>> "second inversion". So you would say "c second inversion major
>> chord".
>> bass = g
>> root = c
>> quality = major
>> There are other chords that add extra notes in thirds above the
>> 5th, so
>> you have something like: "c, e, g, b" and that is called a C7
>> chord. But
>> don't worry about those right now. Just get the 2 main
>> qualities, major
>> and minor and that all chords are 3rds stacked on top of one
>> another
>> which is also known as a root, 3rd and 5th.
>> The major chord is exactly the same as the minor chord, but the
>> 3rd is a
>> half step down in the minor chord from the major chord.
>> so write back with your own chord chart based off the above
>> description.
>> I'll give you an example:
>> c, e, g = c root position major chord
>> c, eb, g = c root position minor chord
>> c#, e#, g# = c# root position major chord
>> c#, e, g# = c# root position minor chord
>> d, f#, a = d root position major chord
>> d, f, a = d root position minor chord
>> ...
>> Hope this helps!
>>
>> Brandon Keith Biggs
>>
>> On 2/15/2014 6:55 AM, marissa wrote:
>> Hi,
>> Does anyone have a chord chart? A basic one that explains the
>> chords,
>> minor and major? Like this:
>>
>> c chord, c e g.
>> g minor chord: g d b
>> Wrong notes, I know.
>>
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