[musictlk] Chord chart

Kaiti Shelton crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com
Sun Feb 16 04:15:22 UTC 2014


Hi Marissa,

Here is the link to the Sound Patterns page on intervals.  Feel free
to check it out; my professor may explain it a little better than
Brandon or I have so far.

http://academic.udayton.edu/PhillipMagnuson/soundpatterns/fundamentals/vocabulary.html

On 2/15/14, Kaiti Shelton <crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Marissa,
>
> Brandon is again right---intervals are just one of the rudaments of
> music, so you need to learn them first in order to grasps chord
> structure.  If you cannot understand the descriptions given on this
> thread, why not ask someone who plays piano from your class, or a
> teacher to show you?  If your school has a music theory class, maybe
> seek out the teacher of that for basic help.  They'll probably have no
> problem with showing you these things; theory teachers tend to geek
> out about this stuff, and will appreciate your interest.
>
> And, you can also try doing the exercises I described in my last
> email.  If you go through the email a sentence at a time or with your
> piano in front of you so you can see what I was talking about, it
> should make much more sense.
>
> If your hard and fast about looking online my theory professor's
> textbook is online.  Just search for Sound Patterns University of
> Dayton in google and it will pop right up.  Chapters 1-5 are the basic
> elements of music, including intervals and basic chord structures.
> Although this textbook is used in college theory classes, it does a
> pretty good job of spelling everything out, and he even added links to
> wikipedia articles for words in the text students may not understand.
> It may be worth a shot.
>
> On 2/15/14, marissa <pianogirlforlife7 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> No because it makes no sense if the speech reads it either way.
>> It makes more sense if I were to read it, because then I could
>> think about it better and actually remember it in my voice,
>> saying the notes and such.
>>
>>
>>  ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Brandon Keith Biggs <brandonkeithbiggs at gmail.com
>> To: Music Talk Mailing List <musictlk at nfbnet.org
>> Date sent: Sat, 15 Feb 2014 19:40:01 -0800
>> Subject: Re: [musictlk] Chord chart
>>
>> Hello,
>> are you going character by character through the line?
>> thanks,
>>
>> Brandon Keith Biggs
>>
>> On 2/15/2014 7:36 PM, marissa wrote:
>>  It reads f as ...  f.  Not sure how you put it.
>>
>>
>>
>>  Nevermed, I looked at the bottom.  It reads the f number as just
>> an f,
>>  I don't even know how you wrote that, it won't let me.
>>
>>
>>  As for the piano, I have no teacher and no means of getting one.
>> I
>>  have to learn on my own basically.
>>  I know intervals and arpegios (spelled correctly obviously).  I
>> know
>>  some of these things, just not which notes go to which chords
>> and in
>>  which order they can appear in.
>>  ----- Original Message -----
>>  From: Brandon Keith Biggs <brandonkeithbiggs at gmail.com
>>  To: Music Talk Mailing List <musictlk at nfbnet.org
>>  Date sent: Sat, 15 Feb 2014 19:29:40 -0800
>>  Subject: Re: [musictlk] Chord chart
>>
>>  Hello Marissa,
>>  This is so basic that everything in music stems from these
>> concepts.
>>  If you are not grasping it from my descriptions or Kaiti's, you
>> will
>>  need someone at a piano to show you.  You can't advance in any
>> music
>>  class until you understand the major and minor scales, the
>> chromatic
>>  scale, intervals, chords and how they are written and sound.
>>  Here in America you also need to know your do re mi.
>>
>>  I'm just wondering if your apex reads f# as an f number?
>>  thanks,
>>
>>  Brandon Keith Biggs
>>
>>  On 2/15/2014 7:18 PM, marissa wrote:
>>  That is the most confusing email I have ever heard with speech.
>> lol I
>>  am sick of speech and no display.  Have to deal with it for at
>> least
>>  two more weeks though.  grr
>>
>>
>>  Is there anything on youtube, or any charts, anything like that,
>> that
>>  would help?
>>
>>  ----- Original Message -----
>>  From: Kaiti Shelton <crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com
>>  To: Music Talk Mailing List <musictlk at nfbnet.org
>>  Date sent: Sat, 15 Feb 2014 22:08:22 -0500
>>  Subject: Re: [musictlk] Chord chart
>>
>>  Hi Marissa,
>>
>>  You are right about the C minor chord being C Eb G, but you have
>> a few
>>  other things a little mixed up.   A D major chord would be D F#
>> A, and
>>  a D minor chord would b D F A.  What you were describing with D
>> F# B
>>  is actually an inverted B minor chord, which in root position
>> would b
>>  B D F#.
>>
>>  Basically, Brandon was right when he said knowing your chords
>> all
>>  comes down to intervals.  In most cases it's just identifying
>> major
>>  and minor 3rds.  There are more complex chords which have 2
>> major 3rds
>>  on top of each other and 2 minors as well, but for right now
>> just
>>  focus on identifying major and minor chords in root position.
>>
>>  The chromatic scale just goes up every half step, so it would be
>>  written like this: C C# D D# E F F# G G# A A# B C.  If you were
>> going
>>  down it would be written with all flats as: C B Bb A Ab G Gb F E
>> Eb D
>>  Db C.  This is because sharps indicate an upwards motion, and
>> flats
>>  indicate downwards.
>>
>>  It might be easier if you do some thinking about the chords
>> while
>>  looking at a piano.  On the keyboard every single key is a half
>> step
>>  in relation to other keys.  The intervals in root position major
>> and
>>  minor chords will always be the same, so try moving a major and
>> minor
>>  chord around on the piano and see how it sounds.  For example,
>> play C
>>  E G which is a C major chord, then move the entire chord up a
>> whole
>>  step to D F# and A to get a D major chord.  F A C will be F
>> major, G B
>>  D will be G major, and so on.  To answer your question about E
>> major,
>>  that is E G# and B.  You'll primarily have your hand in one of
>> two
>>  positions; with C, F, and G major chords all your fingers will
>> be on
>>  white keys, with a white key in between each one you are using.
>> C,
>>  skip D, E, skip F, and G, for example.  The other shape will
>> have your
>>  thumb and ring fingers on white keys, but your index finger
>> playing a
>>  black key.  D, skip E, F# on a black key, skip G, and A, for
>> example.
>>  The only diatonic chord, or chord which has a root on one of the
>> white
>>  keys, that you won't be able to use these shapes for is B major,
>> but
>>  if you want to try it you will have your thumb on B which is
>> white,
>>  your index finger on D# which is black, and your ring finger or
>> pinky
>>  on F#.  I would recommend primarily sticking to C through A for
>> now
>>  though.
>>
>>  I hope this helps.
>>
>>  On 2/15/14, marissa <pianogirlforlife7 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>  Not that well.  But I think I do have more of an understanding
>> of
>>  minor and major chords after listening to those things on the
>>  site.  But if c e and g is a c major chord, then wouldn't that
>>  make c e-flat g be a c minor chord? Also, if the d f-sharp b is
>>  the d major chord, what about the d f b?
>>  It is confusing when it comes to the e major chord because I'm
>>  th'king it's e g-sharp b, but what about e-;g-b or the e f-sharp
>>  b.
>>
>>   ----- Original Message -----
>>  From: Brandon Keith Biggs <brandonkeithbiggs at gmail.com
>>  To: Music Talk Mailing List <musictlk at nfbnet.org
>>  Date sent: Sat, 15 Feb 2014 18:17:50 -0800
>>  Subject: Re: [musictlk] Chord chart
>>
>>  Hello,
>>  in Braille the number sign is just a number sign in computer
>>  Braille.
>>  The # is the sharp and the b is the flat.
>>  d, f#, a
>>  d natural, f sharp, a natural.
>>
>>  I probably should have asked if you know the chromatic scale?
>>  thanks,
>>
>>  Brandon Keith Biggs
>>
>>  On 2/15/2014 10:43 AM, marissa wrote:
>>
>>   I have no clue how to write that.  But, when you say like an eb
>>  or fb
>>   or something like that, is the b the flat or the sharp?
>>
>>
>>   ----- Original Message -----
>>   From: Brandon Keith Biggs <brandonkeithbiggs at gmail.com
>>   To: Music Talk Mailing List <musictlk at nfbnet.org
>>   Date sent: Sat, 15 Feb 2014 10:36:31 -0800
>>   Subject: Re: [musictlk] Chord chart
>>
>>   Hello,
>>   You don't really need one, just know the intervals
>>   major third minor third is a major
>>   minor third major third is a minor
>>   for example:
>>   c, e, g = major third, minor third (c, e = major third), (e, g
>> =
>>  minor
>>   third).
>>   c, eb, g = minor third, major third.  (c, eb = minor third),
>>  (eb, g =
>>   major third).
>>   Don't just use your tts and scroll over those descriptions,
>> read
>>  them
>>   letter by letter or they won't make sense.
>>   From what you gave as an example, you are getting lost with
>>  inversions
>>   as well.
>>   Each chord is basically 3 notes, and they are bassed off
>>  something
>>   called a "root".  This "root" is what we say when we reference
>>  the chord:
>>   "C minor chord, G major chord, E major chord..."
>>   The root is what we base everything off of.  The other notes
>> can
>>  be
>>   either above or below the root in the scale, so the chord can
>>  be: e, c,
>>   g or g, e, c or g, c, e or any order you can think of.
>>   But when you are trying to figure out a chord, you pick apart
>>  the notes
>>   and put them into what we call root position.  That is:
>>   c, e, g
>>   In root position you have 2 3rds of some quality stacked on top
>>  of one
>>   another.
>>   Try and process the above and really understand it, because all
>>  chords
>>   are based off 3rds in some way.  They are all stacked 3rds.
>>   Once you get that idea, you can move to using the thought that
>> a
>>  triad
>>   is composed of a root, a 3rd and a 5th.  That means that from
>>  the root, a
>>   triad has a note that is both a 3rd above it and a note that is
>>  a 5th
>>   above it.  So a triad is both 2 3rds stacked on top of one
>>  another and it
>>   is a 3rd and a 5th above the base.  Most musicians think of
>>  chords as a
>>   3rd and 5th above the base.  That is because when you move to
>>  non root
>>   position chords, (e, g, c) you look at the bottom note which is
>>  actually
>>   called the bass.  So in a root position chord you have the root
>>  as "the
>>   bass" in the chord (e, g, c), you have the e as "the bass".
>>   When referencing the chord you only need to know the root, bass
>>  and
>>   quality in order to tell someone what to play on the piano.  A
>>  chord in
>>   this format is:
>>   G root position minor chord.
>>   Root position is often just referenced as "G minor" rather than
>>  saying
>>   "G root position minor".
>>   With E in the bass on a c chord, we call it "first inversion".
>>  That
>>   means that:
>>   bass = e
>>   root = c
>>   quality = major
>>   so you would say: "c first inversion major chord".
>>   This holds true for all triads.
>>   If you have g in the bass on the above c major chord, it would
>>  be called
>>   "second inversion".  So you would say "c second inversion major
>>  chord".
>>   bass = g
>>   root = c
>>   quality = major
>>   There are other chords that add extra notes in thirds above the
>>  5th, so
>>   you have something like: "c, e, g, b" and that is called a C7
>>  chord.  But
>>   don't worry about those right now.  Just get the 2 main
>>  qualities, major
>>   and minor and that all chords are 3rds stacked on top of one
>>  another
>>   which is also known as a root, 3rd and 5th.
>>   The major chord is exactly the same as the minor chord, but the
>>  3rd is a
>>   half step down in the minor chord from the major chord.
>>   so write back with your own chord chart based off the above
>>  description.
>>   I'll give you an example:
>>   c, e, g = c root position major chord
>>   c, eb, g = c root position minor chord
>>   c#, e#, g# = c# root position major chord
>>   c#, e, g# = c# root position minor chord
>>   d, f#, a = d root position major chord
>>   d, f, a = d root position minor chord
>>   ...
>>   Hope this helps!
>>
>>   Brandon Keith Biggs
>>
>>   On 2/15/2014 6:55 AM, marissa wrote:
>>   Hi,
>>   Does anyone have a chord chart? A basic one that explains the
>>  chords,
>>   minor and major? Like this:
>>
>>   c chord, c e g.
>>   g minor chord: g d b
>>   Wrong notes, I know.
>>
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