[musictlk] The Circle of Fifths

Wed Jul 9 01:08:12 UTC 2014

Hi,

I agree with Linda, do what makes the most sense for you.

As far as transposing goes, that has more to do with key
relationships.  Finding the sharps and flats in a key quickly is
solved with the circle of fifths.  For example, If you count in G, D,
A (starting from C and going 3 places to the right around the circle),
you'll know that A major has 3 sharps.  If you're transposing from D
to C though, it's much simpler.  D is 2 half steps above C, so
naturally you can just lower every note in the key of D major by 2
half steps.  I've written it out for you below.

D, down one half step to D-flat, down another half step to C.
E, down one half step to E-flat, down another half step to D.
F-sharp, down a half step to F natural, down another half step to E.
G, down one half step to G-Flat, down another half step to F Natural.
A, down one half step to A-flat, down another half step to G.
B, down one half step to B-Flat, down another half step to A.
C-Sharp, down a half step to C-natural, down another half step to B.
D, down two half steps to C again.

You can see the first column is the D major scale.  The second column
is all the notes transposed down a half step, also in the key of
D-Flat major.  The third column is the C major scale.

Easy exercise just to demonstrate simple transposition.  Try playing
Mary had a Little Lamb, or better yet Do Re Me from The Sound of
Music, in a variety of different keys.  Do Re Me is great because it
is based on the scale, so it will allow you to clearly see key
relationships, and where accidentals are in each key.

On 7/8/14, Brandon Keith Biggs via musictlk <musictlk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hello,
> Yes!
> fcgdaeb is sharps order (If you play those in order going up, you will
> find they are all a 5th a part.
> BEADGCF is the order of flats. If you play them in order up you will
> find they are all a 5th apart!
> thanks,
>
> Brandon Keith Biggs
>
> On 7/8/2014 5:17 PM, Marissa Tejeda via musictlk wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> So would I write it down in the order, f c g d a e b, for the sa b e a
>> d g c f, for the scale with flats?
>>
>> Thknks
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Linda Mentink <mentink at frontiernet.net
>> To: Marissa Tejeda <marissat789 at gmail.com>,Music Talk Mailing List
>> <musictlk at nfbnet.org
>> Date sent: Tue, 08 Jul 2014 19:16:03 -0500
>> Subject: Re: [musictlk] The Circle of Fifths
>>
>> If you do that, your friend will only know about the flats.  It's best
>> to include the sharps as well.  Do what makes sense to you.
>> At 06:26 PM 7/8/2014, you wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> So when I write out Linda's list for my friend, would it be best to
>> write the scales in order of how many flats?
>> If that makes any sense
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Kaiti Shelton <crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com
>> To: Marissa Tejeda <marissat789 at gmail.com>, Music Talk Mailing List
>> <musictlk at nfbnet.org
>> Date sent: Tue, 8 Jul 2014 19:17:27 -0400
>> Subject: Re: [musictlk] The Circle of Fifths
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> One important thing to remember is that the circle of fifths is meant
>> to be a circle.  What would be really helpful is if you could have a
>> tactile image of it made with the keys written in appropriate places
>> on the circle, like the numbers on the face of a clock.  12:00 would
>> be your C major, with no sharps or flats.  Each time you go clockwise
>> around the circle, you add a sharp.  Each time you go
>> counter-clockwise, you add a flat.  You have to switch once you hit
>> C-sharp when going counter-clockwise to flats.  I hope this helps.
>> Linda's list is very helpful for spelling out the keys, but the circle
>> will really help you to learn the relationships between the keys
>> rather than just what notes are in each diatonic scale.
>>
>> On 7/8/14, Marissa Tejeda via musictlk <musictlk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> Yes, the key of c is my preferable key as well.
>> I can do key of g on the occation and the key of f, but that's
>> about it.
>>
>>
>>  ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Lauren Merryfield via musictlk <musictlk at nfbnet.org
>> To: "'Linda Mentink'" <mentink at frontiernet.net>,"'Music Talk
>> Mailing List'" <musictlk at nfbnet.org
>> Date sent: Tue, 8 Jul 2014 15:18:48 -0700
>> Subject: Re: [musictlk] The Circle of Fifths
>>
>> Hi,
>> This listing is really helpful to me also.  I tend to play mostly
>> in the key
>> of C because I haven't memorized all of the sharps and flats; I
>> just know
>> some of them.  So thanks for providing this list!
>> Lauren
>>
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>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: musictlk [mailto:musictlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>> Linda
>> Mentink via musictlk
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2014 12:18 PM
>> To: Marissa Tejeda; Music Talk Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: [musictlk] The Circle of Fifths
>>
>> Hi Marissa,
>>
>> This doesn't make sense to me.  Since we don't have a copy of the
>> document
>> you refer to, it's impossible for us to help you with the reading
>> of said
>> document.
>>
>> The circle of fifths is as follows:
>>
>> The keys are, going up for the sharps: C, G, D, A, E, B, F-Sharp,
>> C-Sharp.
>>
>> Going down for the flats: C, F, B-Flat, E-Flat, A-Flat, D-Flat,
>> G-Flat,
>> C-Flat.
>>
>> The C scale is as you said.
>> The G scale is G, A, B, C, D, E, F-Sharp, G.
>> The D scale is D, E, F-Sharp, G, A, B, C-Sharp, D.
>> The A scale is A, B, C-Sharp, D, E, F-Sharp, G-Sharp, A.
>> The E scale is E, F-Sharp, G-Sharp, A, B, C-Sharp, D-Sharp, E.
>> The B scale is B, C-Sharp, D-Sharp, E, F-Sharp, G-Sharp, A-Sharp,
>> B.
>> The F-Sharp scale is F-Sharp, G-Sharp, A-sharp, B, C-Sharp,
>> D-Sharp,
>> E-Sharp, F-Sharp.
>> The C-Sharp scale is C-Sharp, D-Sharp, E-Sharp, F-Sharp, G-Sharp,
>> A-Sharp,
>> B-Sharp, C-Sharp.
>>
>> The F scale is F, G, A, B-Flat, C, D, E, F.
>> The B-Flat scale is B-Flat, C, D, E-Flat, F, G, A, B-Flat.
>> The  E-Flat scale is E-Flat, F, G, A-Flat, B-Flat, C, D, E-Flat.
>> The A-Flat scale is a-Flat, B-Flat, C, D-Flat, E-Flat, F, G,
>> A-Flat.
>> The D-Flat scale is D-Flat, E-Flat, F, G-Flat, A-Flat, B-Flat, C,
>> D-Flat.
>> The G-Flat scale is G-Flat, A-Flat, B-Flat, C-flat, D-Flat,
>> E-Flat, F,
>> G-Flat.
>> The C-Flat scale is C-Flat, D-Flat, E-Flat, F-Flat, G-Flat,
>> A-Flat, B-Flat,
>> C-Flat.
>>
>>
>> The key signatures are: C, no sharps or flats; G, one sharp; D,
>> two
>> sharps; A, three sharps; E, four sharps; B, five sharps; F-Sharp,
>> six
>> sharps; C-Sharp, seven sharps; F, one flat; B-Flat, two flats;
>> E-Flat, three flats; A-Flat, four flats; D-Flat, five flats;
>> G-Flat,
>> six flats; C-Flat, seven flats.
>>
>>
>>
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