[musictlk] musictlk Digest, Vol 118, Issue 11

Sat May 17 14:05:45 UTC 2014

I agree. Personally, it baffles me why anyone would want to join a
singing competition if they don't want the fame and don't want to sing
professionally and make albums. Saying that you want to join a singing
competition but you don't want to win is one thing, but to say you
want to participate in a singing competition but you don't want to be
a professional singer who makes albums, and instead only wants the
money? Ridiculous. So many people like myself wihsh they could have
the chance just to get past those devils and jokes of producers who
claim to know everything about singing. I'd give anything to be in the
music industry because I want to be famous, record albums, but most
importantly, make enough money so that I don't have to live off of
SSI! This website I submit music to which is called Musicxray, claims
to also help you find opportunities to submit to in the music
industry, but I'm not sure how many people actually get success from
it. Every single time I've submitted a song to an opportunity it was
the same song, it either got rejected every single time, or nobody's
ever even listened to the track. Maybe that song just isn't good
enough and maybe I shouldn't bother with it anymore and pick a
different song, or maybe I should just not bother going the musicxray
route. It's my SSI money I'm gambling with anyway, and some of these
opportunities are priced too high because apparently they have so many
songwriters there who think they're hot shit and God's gift to the
world of music it justifies such a high price (over $500 and my SSI
check is $721). Ridiculous those lot are! But anyway, I'm straying too
far from my point. Case and point, if you'd rather just be a local
singer who just sings at karaoke bars and cabaret functions, then
don't bother trying out for the competitions. The reason why I'm still
trying out for these competitions, as much as I despise them with a
passion is because I want to be a huge star, not so much because of
the huge glamorous lifestyle, but rather because being signed to a big
record company means they can usually get your name out there, because
they've got the money to throw and they know how to advertise an
artist better than I ever could in my life. I, by know means am a
marketing genius. In fact, I suck at marketing myself. Writing lyrics
and putting them to melodies and trying to find collaboraters is hard
enough for me. I say let me give a promoter my songs, and they can do
the rest of the work so I can focus on my singing. To be continued.

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>    1. possible singing competition (Kelsey Nicolay via musictlk)
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>    3. Re: possible singing competition (josh lester via musictlk)
>    4. Re: possible singing competition
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>    5. Re: possible singing competition
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> Date: Fri, 16 May 2014 10:27:46 -0400
> From: Kelsey Nicolay via musictlk <musictlk at nfbnet.org>
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> Subject: [musictlk] possible singing competition
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> Hello,
> I am looking into possibly auditioning for an Ohio Idol
> competition next year.  The prize for the winner is a cash prime
> and a chance for a recording contract.  I really don't want to
> record an album since I have no desire to sing professionally nor
> do I want all the fame that comes with it.  Therefore, do you
> think that if I happened to be the winner, could I decline the
> recording contract and just take the cash prize? If so, how do I
> do it politely? I just want to do the competition to gain
> experience and confidence.
> Thanks,
> Kelsey Nicolay
>
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> Date: Fri, 16 May 2014 10:04:07 -0500
> From: Linda Mentink via musictlk <musictlk at nfbnet.org>
> To: Kelsey Nicolay <piano.girl0299 at gmail.com>,	Music Talk Mailing List
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> Subject: Re: [musictlk] possible singing competition
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> Hi Kelsey,
>
> You need to ask if doing the recording is a requirement for the
> winner. If it is, then you shouldn't enter, knowing that you only
> want the cash. Find a competition where prizes are cash only, if
> there is such a thing.
>
> Blessings,
>
> Linda
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> At 09:27 AM 5/16/2014, you wrote:
>>Hello,
>>I am looking into possibly auditioning for an Ohio Idol competition
>>next year.  The prize for the winner is a cash prime and a chance
>>for a recording contract.  I really don't want to record an album
>>since I have no desire to sing professionally nor do I want all the
>>fame that comes with it.  Therefore, do you think that if I happened
>>to be the winner, could I decline the recording contract and just
>>take the cash prize? If so, how do I do it politely? I just want to
>>do the competition to gain experience and confidence.
>>Thanks,
>>Kelsey Nicolay
>>
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> Date: Fri, 16 May 2014 10:19:12 -0500
> From: josh lester via musictlk <musictlk at nfbnet.org>
> To: Kelsey Nicolay <piano.girl0299 at gmail.com>,	Music Talk Mailing List
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> Subject: Re: [musictlk] possible singing competition
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> Kelsey, you don't need to do that!
> Idol makes you give most of your money from the albums to them once
> you win the contract.
> They also take your rights as a musician away.
> Don't sign anything!
> Blessings, Joshua
>
> On 5/16/14, Kelsey Nicolay via musictlk <musictlk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Hello,
>> I am looking into possibly auditioning for an Ohio Idol
>> competition next year.  The prize for the winner is a cash prime
>> and a chance for a recording contract.  I really don't want to
>> record an album since I have no desire to sing professionally nor
>> do I want all the fame that comes with it.  Therefore, do you
>> think that if I happened to be the winner, could I decline the
>> recording contract and just take the cash prize? If so, how do I
>> do it politely? I just want to do the competition to gain
>> experience and confidence.
>> Thanks,
>> Kelsey Nicolay
>>
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> Date: Fri, 16 May 2014 12:31:29 -0400
> From: Timothy Clark Music via musictlk <musictlk at nfbnet.org>
> To: Kelsey Nicolay <piano.girl0299 at gmail.com>,	Music Talk Mailing List
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> Subject: Re: [musictlk] possible singing competition
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> just be up front and honest with them then.
>
>
>  blessings in jesus name.
> On Iyar 16, 5774 AM, at 10:27, Kelsey Nicolay via musictlk
> <musictlk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
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>> Hello,
>> I am looking into possibly auditioning for an Ohio Idol competition next
>> year.  The prize for the winner is a cash prime and a chance for a
>> recording contract.  I really don't want to record an album since I have
>> no desire to sing professionally nor do I want all the fame that comes
>> with it.  Therefore, do you think that if I happened to be the winner,
>> could I decline the recording contract and just take the cash prize? If
>> so, how do I do it politely? I just want to do the competition to gain
>> experience and confidence.
>> Thanks,
>> Kelsey Nicolay
>>
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> Date: Fri, 16 May 2014 12:33:27 -0400
> From: Timothy Clark Music via musictlk <musictlk at nfbnet.org>
> To: josh lester <jlestermusic at gmail.com>,	Music Talk Mailing List
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> josh, it?s local. it?s not televised. it?s not american idol. good grief.
>  you should be fine Kelsy, just be honest with them and tell them before
> your audition that you are doing this for exposure and not for a record
> deal.
>  blessings in jesus name.
> On Iyar 16, 5774 AM, at 11:19, josh lester via musictlk
> <musictlk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
>> Kelsey, you don't need to do that!
>> Idol makes you give most of your money from the albums to them once
>> you win the contract.
>> They also take your rights as a musician away.
>> Don't sign anything!
>> Blessings, Joshua
>>
>> On 5/16/14, Kelsey Nicolay via musictlk <musictlk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> Hello,
>>> I am looking into possibly auditioning for an Ohio Idol
>>> competition next year.  The prize for the winner is a cash prime
>>> and a chance for a recording contract.  I really don't want to
>>> record an album since I have no desire to sing professionally nor
>>> do I want all the fame that comes with it.  Therefore, do you
>>> think that if I happened to be the winner, could I decline the
>>> recording contract and just take the cash prize? If so, how do I
>>> do it politely? I just want to do the competition to gain
>>> experience and confidence.
>>> Thanks,
>>> Kelsey Nicolay
>>>
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> Date: Fri, 16 May 2014 13:16:22 -0400
> From: Timothy Clark Music via musictlk <musictlk at nfbnet.org>
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> Subject: [musictlk] {Disarmed} Fwd: One of a kind artist management
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> Date: Fri, 16 May 2014 16:43:10 -0700
> From: Amy Billman via musictlk <musictlk at nfbnet.org>
> To: "'Kelsey Nicolay'" <piano.girl0299 at gmail.com>,	"'Music Talk
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> Subject: Re: [musictlk] possible singing competition
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> Usually competitions have releases and such that you need to sign
> obligating
> you to do whatever requirements exist if you were to win. It's a legally
> binding contract.
> I can't speak for how your state one works, but in the ones I'm familiar
> with, if you get to a certain point, you have to sign that stuff; andit is
> legally binding; and some even require any and all contestants to sign it
> regardless.
> Now, this is assuming that you would get that far.
> Personally, if you do not want to sing professionally, and you do not want
> the prize or the recording contract, don't bother. There are better and
> probably more productive ways (if you sit down and think about
> possibilities,) to gain confidence performing in front of a crowd, with
> less
> ridicule and criticism about everything from how you sing to how you
> present
> as a blind person; and things like weight, looks, etc.
> Also, there's plenty of people who really are serious who want to win and
> want to sing professionally and have a recording contract, so don't waste
> their time and yours by not being serious. It's serious for many; and a
> play
> sorta thing for you.
>
> I recognize it's only a state sorta idol thing, but fact is, they're no
> less
> brutal.
> It's not just about your singing.
> Now, of course there is the possibility that you wouldn't make it far, as
> there are no guarantees in any competition; so you could always go and do
> it, and if you get too far since you have no intent to do what you would be
> legally required to do if you won, in this case, record and accept the
> cash,
> drop out of the competition.
> that does sorta look tacky though, so I still say if you have no desire to
> do what you would be required to do if you were to win, don't enter into
> it.
> Get a church job. If you're that good, good enough to compete vocally in an
> idol competition, then you should be able to seek out paid solo gigs or
> even
> do karaoke. After all, you don't need to compete in anything to try to get
> mor confidence singing in front of a crowd. Just my thoughts...
>
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> Subject: [musictlk] possible singing competition
>
> Hello,
> I am looking into possibly auditioning for an Ohio Idol competition next
> year.  The prize for the winner is a cash prime and a chance for a
> recording
> contract.  I really don't want to record an album since I have no desire to
> sing professionally nor do I want all the fame that comes with it.
> Therefore, do you think that if I happened to be the winner, could I
> decline
> the recording contract and just take the cash prize? If so, how do I do it
> politely? I just want to do the competition to gain experience and
> confidence.
> Thanks,
> Kelsey Nicolay
>
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