[musictlk] musictlk Digest, Vol 118, Issue 11

Sat May 17 14:12:33 UTC 2014

To those of you who are constantly complaining about how your rights
are taken away by the big labels? I'll tell you why that is. Simply
put, people don't give a flying fuck about the music and are puppets
of the industry. You want to retain your rights with a major label? Be
a fighter! Show those men in suits at the label that you mean just as
much business as they do. Be ten steps ahead of them. Come prepared
and organized and show them you're the boss of your own career by
showing them you can be prepared and organized and you'll see how
quickly they'll give you control and rights to do whatever you want.
Come in and have papers! It's all about them papers. Not sure about
the collaboraters you want to work with? Research for the best
collaboraters out there who have a proven track record of making hits,
and listen to their works. If they fit your style of music? Fantastic.
If they don't, move onto the next one. When you've found the people
you want to work with and you like their works, submit all that info
to the label, and you'll be surprised at how impressed they'll be. The
label might still disagree with you at times, but it's much better
than just sitting there and letting the label decide who you work
with. Be the boss of your own career while being signed to a major
label and the experience will be wonderful. And make sure you know
what you sign. Get someone to read over the contract for you and try
to negotiate. If you take bullshit from people and don't fight for
your rights and stand up for yourself, your experience in the industry
is going to be a living hell.

On 5/17/14, Matthew Orts <mattheworts1991 at gmail.com> wrote:
> I agree. Personally, it baffles me why anyone would want to join a
> singing competition if they don't want the fame and don't want to sing
> professionally and make albums. Saying that you want to join a singing
> competition but you don't want to win is one thing, but to say you
> want to participate in a singing competition but you don't want to be
> a professional singer who makes albums, and instead only wants the
> money? Ridiculous. So many people like myself wihsh they could have
> the chance just to get past those devils and jokes of producers who
> claim to know everything about singing. I'd give anything to be in the
> music industry because I want to be famous, record albums, but most
> importantly, make enough money so that I don't have to live off of
> SSI! This website I submit music to which is called Musicxray, claims
> to also help you find opportunities to submit to in the music
> industry, but I'm not sure how many people actually get success from
> it. Every single time I've submitted a song to an opportunity it was
> the same song, it either got rejected every single time, or nobody's
> ever even listened to the track. Maybe that song just isn't good
> enough and maybe I shouldn't bother with it anymore and pick a
> different song, or maybe I should just not bother going the musicxray
> route. It's my SSI money I'm gambling with anyway, and some of these
> opportunities are priced too high because apparently they have so many
> songwriters there who think they're hot shit and God's gift to the
> world of music it justifies such a high price (over $500 and my SSI
> check is $721). Ridiculous those lot are! But anyway, I'm straying too
> far from my point. Case and point, if you'd rather just be a local
> singer who just sings at karaoke bars and cabaret functions, then
> don't bother trying out for the competitions. The reason why I'm still
> trying out for these competitions, as much as I despise them with a
> passion is because I want to be a huge star, not so much because of
> the huge glamorous lifestyle, but rather because being signed to a big
> record company means they can usually get your name out there, because
> they've got the money to throw and they know how to advertise an
> artist better than I ever could in my life. I, by know means am a
> marketing genius. In fact, I suck at marketing myself. Writing lyrics
> and putting them to melodies and trying to find collaboraters is hard
> enough for me. I say let me give a promoter my songs, and they can do
> the rest of the work so I can focus on my singing. To be continued.
>
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>>    1. possible singing competition (Kelsey Nicolay via musictlk)
>>    2. Re: possible singing competition (Linda Mentink via musictlk)
>>    3. Re: possible singing competition (josh lester via musictlk)
>>    4. Re: possible singing competition
>>       (Timothy Clark Music via musictlk)
>>    5. Re: possible singing competition
>>       (Timothy Clark Music via musictlk)
>>    6. {Disarmed} Fwd: One of a kind artist management training
>>       (Timothy Clark Music via musictlk)
>>    7. Re: possible singing competition (Amy Billman via musictlk)
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>> Message: 1
>> Date: Fri, 16 May 2014 10:27:46 -0400
>> From: Kelsey Nicolay via musictlk <musictlk at nfbnet.org>
>> To: musictlk at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: [musictlk] possible singing competition
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>> Hello,
>> I am looking into possibly auditioning for an Ohio Idol
>> competition next year.  The prize for the winner is a cash prime
>> and a chance for a recording contract.  I really don't want to
>> record an album since I have no desire to sing professionally nor
>> do I want all the fame that comes with it.  Therefore, do you
>> think that if I happened to be the winner, could I decline the
>> recording contract and just take the cash prize? If so, how do I
>> do it politely? I just want to do the competition to gain
>> experience and confidence.
>> Thanks,
>> Kelsey Nicolay
>>
>>
>>
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>> Message: 2
>> Date: Fri, 16 May 2014 10:04:07 -0500
>> From: Linda Mentink via musictlk <musictlk at nfbnet.org>
>> To: Kelsey Nicolay <piano.girl0299 at gmail.com>,	Music Talk Mailing List
>> 	<musictlk at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [musictlk] possible singing competition
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>> Hi Kelsey,
>>
>> You need to ask if doing the recording is a requirement for the
>> winner. If it is, then you shouldn't enter, knowing that you only
>> want the cash. Find a competition where prizes are cash only, if
>> there is such a thing.
>>
>> Blessings,
>>
>> Linda
>>
>> At 09:27 AM 5/16/2014, you wrote:
>>>Hello,
>>>I am looking into possibly auditioning for an Ohio Idol competition
>>>next year.  The prize for the winner is a cash prime and a chance
>>>for a recording contract.  I really don't want to record an album
>>>since I have no desire to sing professionally nor do I want all the
>>>fame that comes with it.  Therefore, do you think that if I happened
>>>to be the winner, could I decline the recording contract and just
>>>take the cash prize? If so, how do I do it politely? I just want to
>>>do the competition to gain experience and confidence.
>>>Thanks,
>>>Kelsey Nicolay
>>>
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>> Message: 3
>> Date: Fri, 16 May 2014 10:19:12 -0500
>> From: josh lester via musictlk <musictlk at nfbnet.org>
>> To: Kelsey Nicolay <piano.girl0299 at gmail.com>,	Music Talk Mailing List
>> 	<musictlk at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [musictlk] possible singing competition
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>> Kelsey, you don't need to do that!
>> Idol makes you give most of your money from the albums to them once
>> you win the contract.
>> They also take your rights as a musician away.
>> Don't sign anything!
>> Blessings, Joshua
>>
>> On 5/16/14, Kelsey Nicolay via musictlk <musictlk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> Hello,
>>> I am looking into possibly auditioning for an Ohio Idol
>>> competition next year.  The prize for the winner is a cash prime
>>> and a chance for a recording contract.  I really don't want to
>>> record an album since I have no desire to sing professionally nor
>>> do I want all the fame that comes with it.  Therefore, do you
>>> think that if I happened to be the winner, could I decline the
>>> recording contract and just take the cash prize? If so, how do I
>>> do it politely? I just want to do the competition to gain
>>> experience and confidence.
>>> Thanks,
>>> Kelsey Nicolay
>>>
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>> Message: 4
>> Date: Fri, 16 May 2014 12:31:29 -0400
>> From: Timothy Clark Music via musictlk <musictlk at nfbnet.org>
>> To: Kelsey Nicolay <piano.girl0299 at gmail.com>,	Music Talk Mailing List
>> 	<musictlk at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [musictlk] possible singing competition
>> Message-ID: <34AD8997-10E2-40ED-8A32-4B50AF4830B2 at gmail.com>
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>> just be up front and honest with them then.
>>
>>
>>  blessings in jesus name.
>> On Iyar 16, 5774 AM, at 10:27, Kelsey Nicolay via musictlk
>> <musictlk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Hello,
>>> I am looking into possibly auditioning for an Ohio Idol competition next
>>> year.  The prize for the winner is a cash prime and a chance for a
>>> recording contract.  I really don't want to record an album since I have
>>> no desire to sing professionally nor do I want all the fame that comes
>>> with it.  Therefore, do you think that if I happened to be the winner,
>>> could I decline the recording contract and just take the cash prize? If
>>> so, how do I do it politely? I just want to do the competition to gain
>>> experience and confidence.
>>> Thanks,
>>> Kelsey Nicolay
>>>
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>> Message: 5
>> Date: Fri, 16 May 2014 12:33:27 -0400
>> From: Timothy Clark Music via musictlk <musictlk at nfbnet.org>
>> To: josh lester <jlestermusic at gmail.com>,	Music Talk Mailing List
>> 	<musictlk at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [musictlk] possible singing competition
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>> josh, it?s local. it?s not televised. it?s not american idol. good grief.
>>  you should be fine Kelsy, just be honest with them and tell them before
>> your audition that you are doing this for exposure and not for a record
>> deal.
>>  blessings in jesus name.
>> On Iyar 16, 5774 AM, at 11:19, josh lester via musictlk
>> <musictlk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Kelsey, you don't need to do that!
>>> Idol makes you give most of your money from the albums to them once
>>> you win the contract.
>>> They also take your rights as a musician away.
>>> Don't sign anything!
>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>
>>> On 5/16/14, Kelsey Nicolay via musictlk <musictlk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> Hello,
>>>> I am looking into possibly auditioning for an Ohio Idol
>>>> competition next year.  The prize for the winner is a cash prime
>>>> and a chance for a recording contract.  I really don't want to
>>>> record an album since I have no desire to sing professionally nor
>>>> do I want all the fame that comes with it.  Therefore, do you
>>>> think that if I happened to be the winner, could I decline the
>>>> recording contract and just take the cash prize? If so, how do I
>>>> do it politely? I just want to do the competition to gain
>>>> experience and confidence.
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Kelsey Nicolay
>>>>
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>> Date: Fri, 16 May 2014 13:16:22 -0400
>> From: Timothy Clark Music via musictlk <musictlk at nfbnet.org>
>> To: Music Talk Mailing List <musictlk at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: [musictlk] {Disarmed} Fwd: One of a kind artist management
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>> Message: 7
>> Date: Fri, 16 May 2014 16:43:10 -0700
>> From: Amy Billman via musictlk <musictlk at nfbnet.org>
>> To: "'Kelsey Nicolay'" <piano.girl0299 at gmail.com>,	"'Music Talk
>> 	Mailing List'" <musictlk at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [musictlk] possible singing competition
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>> Usually competitions have releases and such that you need to sign
>> obligating
>> you to do whatever requirements exist if you were to win. It's a legally
>> binding contract.
>> I can't speak for how your state one works, but in the ones I'm familiar
>> with, if you get to a certain point, you have to sign that stuff; andit
>> is
>> legally binding; and some even require any and all contestants to sign it
>> regardless.
>> Now, this is assuming that you would get that far.
>> Personally, if you do not want to sing professionally, and you do not
>> want
>> the prize or the recording contract, don't bother. There are better and
>> probably more productive ways (if you sit down and think about
>> possibilities,) to gain confidence performing in front of a crowd, with
>> less
>> ridicule and criticism about everything from how you sing to how you
>> present
>> as a blind person; and things like weight, looks, etc.
>> Also, there's plenty of people who really are serious who want to win and
>> want to sing professionally and have a recording contract, so don't waste
>> their time and yours by not being serious. It's serious for many; and a
>> play
>> sorta thing for you.
>>
>> I recognize it's only a state sorta idol thing, but fact is, they're no
>> less
>> brutal.
>> It's not just about your singing.
>> Now, of course there is the possibility that you wouldn't make it far, as
>> there are no guarantees in any competition; so you could always go and do
>> it, and if you get too far since you have no intent to do what you would
>> be
>> legally required to do if you won, in this case, record and accept the
>> cash,
>> drop out of the competition.
>> that does sorta look tacky though, so I still say if you have no desire
>> to
>> do what you would be required to do if you were to win, don't enter into
>> it.
>> Get a church job. If you're that good, good enough to compete vocally in
>> an
>> idol competition, then you should be able to seek out paid solo gigs or
>> even
>> do karaoke. After all, you don't need to compete in anything to try to
>> get
>> mor confidence singing in front of a crowd. Just my thoughts...
>>
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: musictlk [mailto:musictlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kelsey
>> Nicolay via musictlk
>> Sent: Friday, May 16, 2014 7:28 AM
>> To: musictlk at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: [musictlk] possible singing competition
>>
>> Hello,
>> I am looking into possibly auditioning for an Ohio Idol competition next
>> year.  The prize for the winner is a cash prime and a chance for a
>> recording
>> contract.  I really don't want to record an album since I have no desire
>> to
>> sing professionally nor do I want all the fame that comes with it.
>> Therefore, do you think that if I happened to be the winner, could I
>> decline
>> the recording contract and just take the cash prize? If so, how do I do
>> it
>> politely? I just want to do the competition to gain experience and
>> confidence.
>> Thanks,
>> Kelsey Nicolay
>>
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