[musictlk] musictlk Digest, Vol 118, Issue 11

Anne Martin via musictlk musictlk at nfbnet.org
Sat May 17 17:05:25 UTC 2014


Please leave the curse words out, no respect to that...
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> To those of you who are constantly complaining about how your rights
> are taken away by the big labels? I'll tell you why that is. Simply
> put, people don't give a flying fuck about the music and are puppets
> of the industry. You want to retain your rights with a major label? Be
> a fighter! Show those men in suits at the label that you mean just as
> much business as they do. Be ten steps ahead of them. Come prepared
> and organized and show them you're the boss of your own career by
> showing them you can be prepared and organized and you'll see how
> quickly they'll give you control and rights to do whatever you want.
> Come in and have papers! It's all about them papers. Not sure about
> the collaboraters you want to work with? Research for the best
> collaboraters out there who have a proven track record of making hits,
> and listen to their works. If they fit your style of music? Fantastic.
> If they don't, move onto the next one. When you've found the people
> you want to work with and you like their works, submit all that info
> to the label, and you'll be surprised at how impressed they'll be. The
> label might still disagree with you at times, but it's much better
> than just sitting there and letting the label decide who you work
> with. Be the boss of your own career while being signed to a major
> label and the experience will be wonderful. And make sure you know
> what you sign. Get someone to read over the contract for you and try
> to negotiate. If you take bullshit from people and don't fight for
> your rights and stand up for yourself, your experience in the industry
> is going to be a living hell.
>
> On 5/17/14, Matthew Orts <mattheworts1991 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> I agree. Personally, it baffles me why anyone would want to join a
>> singing competition if they don't want the fame and don't want to sing
>> professionally and make albums. Saying that you want to join a singing
>> competition but you don't want to win is one thing, but to say you
>> want to participate in a singing competition but you don't want to be
>> a professional singer who makes albums, and instead only wants the
>> money? Ridiculous. So many people like myself wihsh they could have
>> the chance just to get past those devils and jokes of producers who
>> claim to know everything about singing. I'd give anything to be in the
>> music industry because I want to be famous, record albums, but most
>> importantly, make enough money so that I don't have to live off of
>> SSI! This website I submit music to which is called Musicxray, claims
>> to also help you find opportunities to submit to in the music
>> industry, but I'm not sure how many people actually get success from
>> it. Every single time I've submitted a song to an opportunity it was
>> the same song, it either got rejected every single time, or nobody's
>> ever even listened to the track. Maybe that song just isn't good
>> enough and maybe I shouldn't bother with it anymore and pick a
>> different song, or maybe I should just not bother going the musicxray
>> route. It's my SSI money I'm gambling with anyway, and some of these
>> opportunities are priced too high because apparently they have so many
>> songwriters there who think they're hot shit and God's gift to the
>> world of music it justifies such a high price (over $500 and my SSI
>> check is $721). Ridiculous those lot are! But anyway, I'm straying too
>> far from my point. Case and point, if you'd rather just be a local
>> singer who just sings at karaoke bars and cabaret functions, then
>> don't bother trying out for the competitions. The reason why I'm still
>> trying out for these competitions, as much as I despise them with a
>> passion is because I want to be a huge star, not so much because of
>> the huge glamorous lifestyle, but rather because being signed to a big
>> record company means they can usually get your name out there, because
>> they've got the money to throw and they know how to advertise an
>> artist better than I ever could in my life. I, by know means am a
>> marketing genius. In fact, I suck at marketing myself. Writing lyrics
>> and putting them to melodies and trying to find collaboraters is hard
>> enough for me. I say let me give a promoter my songs, and they can do
>> the rest of the work so I can focus on my singing. To be continued.
>>
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>>>    1. possible singing competition (Kelsey Nicolay via musictlk)
>>>    2. Re: possible singing competition (Linda Mentink via musictlk)
>>>    3. Re: possible singing competition (josh lester via musictlk)
>>>    4. Re: possible singing competition
>>>       (Timothy Clark Music via musictlk)
>>>    5. Re: possible singing competition
>>>       (Timothy Clark Music via musictlk)
>>>    6. {Disarmed} Fwd: One of a kind artist management training
>>>       (Timothy Clark Music via musictlk)
>>>    7. Re: possible singing competition (Amy Billman via musictlk)
>>>
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>>> Message: 1
>>> Date: Fri, 16 May 2014 10:27:46 -0400
>>> From: Kelsey Nicolay via musictlk <musictlk at nfbnet.org>
>>> To: musictlk at nfbnet.org
>>> Subject: [musictlk] possible singing competition
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>>> Hello,
>>> I am looking into possibly auditioning for an Ohio Idol
>>> competition next year.  The prize for the winner is a cash prime
>>> and a chance for a recording contract.  I really don't want to
>>> record an album since I have no desire to sing professionally nor
>>> do I want all the fame that comes with it.  Therefore, do you
>>> think that if I happened to be the winner, could I decline the
>>> recording contract and just take the cash prize? If so, how do I
>>> do it politely? I just want to do the competition to gain
>>> experience and confidence.
>>> Thanks,
>>> Kelsey Nicolay
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>> Message: 2
>>> Date: Fri, 16 May 2014 10:04:07 -0500
>>> From: Linda Mentink via musictlk <musictlk at nfbnet.org>
>>> To: Kelsey Nicolay <piano.girl0299 at gmail.com>, Music Talk Mailing List
>>> <musictlk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [musictlk] possible singing competition
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>>> Hi Kelsey,
>>>
>>> You need to ask if doing the recording is a requirement for the
>>> winner. If it is, then you shouldn't enter, knowing that you only
>>> want the cash. Find a competition where prizes are cash only, if
>>> there is such a thing.
>>>
>>> Blessings,
>>>
>>> Linda
>>>
>>> At 09:27 AM 5/16/2014, you wrote:
>>>>Hello,
>>>>I am looking into possibly auditioning for an Ohio Idol competition
>>>>next year.  The prize for the winner is a cash prime and a chance
>>>>for a recording contract.  I really don't want to record an album
>>>>since I have no desire to sing professionally nor do I want all the
>>>>fame that comes with it.  Therefore, do you think that if I happened
>>>>to be the winner, could I decline the recording contract and just
>>>>take the cash prize? If so, how do I do it politely? I just want to
>>>>do the competition to gain experience and confidence.
>>>>Thanks,
>>>>Kelsey Nicolay
>>>>
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>>> Message: 3
>>> Date: Fri, 16 May 2014 10:19:12 -0500
>>> From: josh lester via musictlk <musictlk at nfbnet.org>
>>> To: Kelsey Nicolay <piano.girl0299 at gmail.com>, Music Talk Mailing List
>>> <musictlk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [musictlk] possible singing competition
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>>> Kelsey, you don't need to do that!
>>> Idol makes you give most of your money from the albums to them once
>>> you win the contract.
>>> They also take your rights as a musician away.
>>> Don't sign anything!
>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>
>>> On 5/16/14, Kelsey Nicolay via musictlk <musictlk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> Hello,
>>>> I am looking into possibly auditioning for an Ohio Idol
>>>> competition next year.  The prize for the winner is a cash prime
>>>> and a chance for a recording contract.  I really don't want to
>>>> record an album since I have no desire to sing professionally nor
>>>> do I want all the fame that comes with it.  Therefore, do you
>>>> think that if I happened to be the winner, could I decline the
>>>> recording contract and just take the cash prize? If so, how do I
>>>> do it politely? I just want to do the competition to gain
>>>> experience and confidence.
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Kelsey Nicolay
>>>>
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>>> Message: 4
>>> Date: Fri, 16 May 2014 12:31:29 -0400
>>> From: Timothy Clark Music via musictlk <musictlk at nfbnet.org>
>>> To: Kelsey Nicolay <piano.girl0299 at gmail.com>, Music Talk Mailing List
>>> <musictlk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [musictlk] possible singing competition
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>>> just be up front and honest with them then.
>>>
>>>
>>>  blessings in jesus name.
>>> On Iyar 16, 5774 AM, at 10:27, Kelsey Nicolay via musictlk
>>> <musictlk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hello,
>>>> I am looking into possibly auditioning for an Ohio Idol competition 
>>>> next
>>>> year.  The prize for the winner is a cash prime and a chance for a
>>>> recording contract.  I really don't want to record an album since I 
>>>> have
>>>> no desire to sing professionally nor do I want all the fame that comes
>>>> with it.  Therefore, do you think that if I happened to be the winner,
>>>> could I decline the recording contract and just take the cash prize? If
>>>> so, how do I do it politely? I just want to do the competition to gain
>>>> experience and confidence.
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Kelsey Nicolay
>>>>
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>>> Message: 5
>>> Date: Fri, 16 May 2014 12:33:27 -0400
>>> From: Timothy Clark Music via musictlk <musictlk at nfbnet.org>
>>> To: josh lester <jlestermusic at gmail.com>, Music Talk Mailing List
>>> <musictlk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [musictlk] possible singing competition
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>>> josh, it?s local. it?s not televised. it?s not american idol. good 
>>> grief.
>>>  you should be fine Kelsy, just be honest with them and tell them before
>>> your audition that you are doing this for exposure and not for a record
>>> deal.
>>>  blessings in jesus name.
>>> On Iyar 16, 5774 AM, at 11:19, josh lester via musictlk
>>> <musictlk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Kelsey, you don't need to do that!
>>>> Idol makes you give most of your money from the albums to them once
>>>> you win the contract.
>>>> They also take your rights as a musician away.
>>>> Don't sign anything!
>>>> Blessings, Joshua
>>>>
>>>> On 5/16/14, Kelsey Nicolay via musictlk <musictlk at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>> Hello,
>>>>> I am looking into possibly auditioning for an Ohio Idol
>>>>> competition next year.  The prize for the winner is a cash prime
>>>>> and a chance for a recording contract.  I really don't want to
>>>>> record an album since I have no desire to sing professionally nor
>>>>> do I want all the fame that comes with it.  Therefore, do you
>>>>> think that if I happened to be the winner, could I decline the
>>>>> recording contract and just take the cash prize? If so, how do I
>>>>> do it politely? I just want to do the competition to gain
>>>>> experience and confidence.
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Kelsey Nicolay
>>>>>
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>>> Message: 6
>>> Date: Fri, 16 May 2014 13:16:22 -0400
>>> From: Timothy Clark Music via musictlk <musictlk at nfbnet.org>
>>> To: Music Talk Mailing List <musictlk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: [musictlk] {Disarmed} Fwd: One of a kind artist management
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>>> Message: 7
>>> Date: Fri, 16 May 2014 16:43:10 -0700
>>> From: Amy Billman via musictlk <musictlk at nfbnet.org>
>>> To: "'Kelsey Nicolay'" <piano.girl0299 at gmail.com>, "'Music Talk
>>> Mailing List'" <musictlk at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [musictlk] possible singing competition
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>>> Usually competitions have releases and such that you need to sign
>>> obligating
>>> you to do whatever requirements exist if you were to win. It's a legally
>>> binding contract.
>>> I can't speak for how your state one works, but in the ones I'm familiar
>>> with, if you get to a certain point, you have to sign that stuff; andit
>>> is
>>> legally binding; and some even require any and all contestants to sign 
>>> it
>>> regardless.
>>> Now, this is assuming that you would get that far.
>>> Personally, if you do not want to sing professionally, and you do not
>>> want
>>> the prize or the recording contract, don't bother. There are better and
>>> probably more productive ways (if you sit down and think about
>>> possibilities,) to gain confidence performing in front of a crowd, with
>>> less
>>> ridicule and criticism about everything from how you sing to how you
>>> present
>>> as a blind person; and things like weight, looks, etc.
>>> Also, there's plenty of people who really are serious who want to win 
>>> and
>>> want to sing professionally and have a recording contract, so don't 
>>> waste
>>> their time and yours by not being serious. It's serious for many; and a
>>> play
>>> sorta thing for you.
>>>
>>> I recognize it's only a state sorta idol thing, but fact is, they're no
>>> less
>>> brutal.
>>> It's not just about your singing.
>>> Now, of course there is the possibility that you wouldn't make it far, 
>>> as
>>> there are no guarantees in any competition; so you could always go and 
>>> do
>>> it, and if you get too far since you have no intent to do what you would
>>> be
>>> legally required to do if you won, in this case, record and accept the
>>> cash,
>>> drop out of the competition.
>>> that does sorta look tacky though, so I still say if you have no desire
>>> to
>>> do what you would be required to do if you were to win, don't enter into
>>> it.
>>> Get a church job. If you're that good, good enough to compete vocally in
>>> an
>>> idol competition, then you should be able to seek out paid solo gigs or
>>> even
>>> do karaoke. After all, you don't need to compete in anything to try to
>>> get
>>> mor confidence singing in front of a crowd. Just my thoughts...
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>>> From: musictlk [mailto:musictlk-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kelsey
>>> Nicolay via musictlk
>>> Sent: Friday, May 16, 2014 7:28 AM
>>> To: musictlk at nfbnet.org
>>> Subject: [musictlk] possible singing competition
>>>
>>> Hello,
>>> I am looking into possibly auditioning for an Ohio Idol competition next
>>> year.  The prize for the winner is a cash prime and a chance for a
>>> recording
>>> contract.  I really don't want to record an album since I have no desire
>>> to
>>> sing professionally nor do I want all the fame that comes with it.
>>> Therefore, do you think that if I happened to be the winner, could I
>>> decline
>>> the recording contract and just take the cash prize? If so, how do I do
>>> it
>>> politely? I just want to do the competition to gain experience and
>>> confidence.
>>> Thanks,
>>> Kelsey Nicolay
>>>
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