[nabentre] mlm is really a great thing

Thu Jul 2 11:41:07 UTC 2009

Hi Loren,
I guess I didn't do a good job of saying what I was trying to say. Let me try again. I felt that you were a little over the top when you said thingsthat attacked Brian personally such as saying that his initials spelled BS. That gave me a bad impression of you and I don't know you. I didn't feel that it was necessary for you to do that, especially since you were trying to promote what you feel is a good thing. That repelled me from listening to your argument for the benefits of MLM. Then, right behind that, there's the natural tendency for all humans to generalize and say "Man, if this guy is like that, maybe all of those people are like that," which I recognized and resisted, but I said that I would join someone elses team if I decide to do this MLM thing, because I wanted to deal with a person who isn't so defensive. If I would continue to investigate and find that this sort of thing is for me, then you may have just lost a potential customer or team member by being less gracious than you could have been.

The stuff you said below makes me feel good about you, though. You say that you want to help people, and I feel that that's wonderful. I just got a bad impression of you from your former tone. I was thinking that you needed to have a thicker skin is all.

I hope that was somewhat more clear and that you are not offended by what I say here.

Thanks.
J
im

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Jim Homme
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"You can do anything you want to if you put your mind to it" -- Jim Homme Sr.

-----Original Message-----
From: nabentre-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabentre-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Loren Wakefield
Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 3:54 PM
To: NFBnet NAB Entrepreneurs Mailing List
Subject: Re: [nabentre] mlm is really a great thing

James,

I'm not sure how to respond to your comments either.  From what I have read
from other posts on this list, Liz is a very inteligent individual.
However, none of us know it all.  We are all ignorant of many things.
Ignorance hurts humanity.  Look what ignorance of the abilities of the blind
have done to those of us who are blind.  Wishing that you, Liz Brian, or
anyone else realizes their full potential and finds what ever it is she or
she wants does not make me a bad person.  When you label something a scam,
you make a very serious charge.  And I have found that when a person makes
the statement that mlm is a scam, he or she has confused it with a pyramid
or other illegal schemes.  I could sign up the netire world in my Shaklee
group.  However, until someone buys a product, nobody even myself is going
to make a cent.  Ignorance hurts.  Their remarks hurt me.  They hurt my
family.  And whether it is realized or not, it hurts the maker of the
remarks.  Being a distributor of any mlm products may not be for you.  You
still can benefit from what is out there.  The choice of whether or not you
do that is up to you.  But when I hear that a blind individual has lost his
or her job, it bugs me.  When I hear that a blind person is denied a job
just because he or she is blind, it really makes me angry.  When I hear that
someone has health issues, and I know what I can share with him or her can
bring a chance at a better life, then I have to say something.  And when
someone, without knowing what things are really about, makes false charges,
I must respond.  Maybe standing up for what I believe offends you.  If it
does, I'm sorry.  Someone earlier told me that I am wasting my time.  That
is probably true.  However, there is something inside of me that will not
let me give up on people.

Loren Wakefield

"The best way to predict your future is to create it."  Dr. Forrest C.
Shaklee

www.shaklee.net/ultimatehealthwithtlc

319-433-0145 866-433-3969

----- Original Message -----
From: "Homme, James" <james.homme at highmark.com>
To: "NFBnet NAB Entrepreneurs Mailing List" <nabentre at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 11:34 AM
Subject: Re: [nabentre] mlm is really a great thing

> Hi,
> MLM aside, I hope you are not what your noxious emails make you appear.
> J
> im
>
> ----------
> Jim Homme
> Usability Services
> 412-544-1810
> james.homme at highmark.com
>
> "You can do anything you want to if you put your mind to it" -- Jim Homme
> Sr.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabentre-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabentre-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
> Behalf Of Loren Wakefield
> Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 8:41 AM
> To: NFBnet NAB Entrepreneurs Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [nabentre] mlm is really a great thing
>
> Since ignorance can be cured, I suggest you cure yourself.
>
>
> Loren Wakefield
>
> "The best way to predict your future is to create it."  Dr. Forrest C.
> Shaklee
>
> www.shaklee.net/ultimatehealthwithtlc
>
> 319-433-0145 866-433-3969
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Liz C. Daniels" <lizworks at sbcglobal.net>
> To: "NFBnet NAB Entrepreneurs Mailing List" <nabentre at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 10:08 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabentre] mlm is really a great thing
>
>
>> MLM=BS=SCAM...
>>
>> However, MLM is not synonymous with franchising, they're two different
>> animals, so to speak, and quite literally, LOL!
>>
>> L/P
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Loren Wakefield" <isaiah5719 at mchsi.com>
>> To: "NFBnet NAB Entrepreneurs Mailing List" <nabentre at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 5:10 PM
>> Subject: [nabentre] mlm is really a great thing
>>
>>
>>>A recent post on this list referred to mlm as "BS".  This is interesting
>>>on
>>>two counts.  The first is that the person uttering this also has those
>>>same
>>>initials, "BS".  I honestly doubt he was referring to his own initials,
>>>rather what is put out of a beef producing animal.
>>>
>>> We are all entitled to our own opinions, and what works for one, does
>>> not
>>> necessarily work for someone else.
>>>
>>> MLM goes by several names.  But the long and short of it is to sell
>>> products to others like other businesses do.  You also grow and expand
>>> your business by bringing others in with you.  MacDonalds does this.
>>> KFC
>>> does this.  Many different versions of 711 do this as well.  They call
>>> their memberships franchise fees.  It can cost you a million or more to
>>> join the golden arches.  And before one can even obtain the rights to a
>>> spot, you must put several hundred thousand down in an escroll acount
>>> for
>>> many years and hope you get a location.  Then you have all the other
>>> cost
>>> associated with getting started.  Tnen you must train your employees.
>>> Many of these will be young kids who really could not care less about
>>> staying with you or whether you make a proffit or not.  And they quickly
>>> move on down the road to someone else, and you must train all over
>>> again.
>>> And corporate takes continual fees and really does not care if you
>>> succeed
>>> or not, because, there will always be others to take your place.  And
>>> yes,
>>> people do make a great living at these types of endeavors.
>>>
>>> In mlm, you have some similarityes and some differences with that other
>>> type of operation.  Most of mlm type companies do sell better quality
>>> products than you can get in the open market place.  IE, the quality of
>>> the nutritional and cleaning and personal care products one can obtain
>>> from Shaklee, (yes I do represent them, and I am proud to do so), are
>>> much
>>> superior to those at say your local wal-mart, that one really cannot
>>> compare them.  Studies published in peer-reviewed journals can back this
>>> statement up.
>>>
>>> To get started in my company, is under $300.00 and this is not a month,
>>> it
>>> is one-time.  As you build your company, you can put some of your
>>> earnings
>>> back in to the products you yourself wish to use.  Your own use of your
>>> products gives you a continual building of credibility and belief in
>>> what
>>> you are sharing with others.  As your sells and helping others to get
>>> started and succeed grows, your income increases.  And yes, people do
>>> make
>>> great livings at companies like these as well.
>>>
>>> I believe where most people get confused is the lack of understanding
>>> about mlm being simple, not easy.  Many believe the two are synonomous.
>>> I
>>> refer to Shaklee because that is what I know.  And the concept is very
>>> simple.  You make money in a few ways.  But Shaklee, or any other mlm,
>>> is
>>> not a government social program.  Your success is related to your
>>> efferts.
>>> For me the unmeasurable rewards come when I see a life changed because
>>> of
>>> what Shaklee and I can offer someone.  Some of the results from our
>>> products are simply incredible.
>>>
>>> There is not one business in the world that can claim that every time
>>> someone sets out to do that business that they will prosper and succeed.
>>> MLM cannot claim this either.  However, whereas other types do not want
>>> you to succeed, in MLM, you do not succeed, unless you help others
>>> obtain
>>> what they want.  And if the values of helping others and making life
>>> better for your  family are bs, then build me a mansion right in the
>>> middle of it.
>>>
>>>
>>> Loren Wakefield
>>>
>>> "The best way to predict your future is to create it."  Dr. Forrest C.
>>> Shaklee
>>>
>>> www.shaklee.net/ultimatehealthwithtlc
>>>
>>> 319-433-0145 866-433-3969
>>>
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