[nabs-l] Social Etiquette

[Sarah Jevnikar]

This is such a great topic. I admit that I had blindisms and still struggle
to extinguish them totally. I have eye-poking issues and rock occasionally.
What's interesting is that these seem to be common for all blind people. Why
is it that we all seem to have these blindisms from the start and have to
extinguish them as we grow?
I worked at a camp for the blind in the summer and I noticed a bunch of
these blindisms but I found it hard to point them out to campers out of
shyness and because they were in the company of their parents, my age, or
much older. It was weird. If I work there again though I think much of my
shyness will be gone though. But how do you tell people their behavior is
inappropriate without embarrassing them? Any thoughts?

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Arielle points out several good examples here and I believe this 
to be a wonderful post.  I just wanted to add an experience of my 
own and of others with whom I work.  When I was very young, I had 
several "Blindisms"- I would rock when not in a rocking chair, 
and I would poke my eye.  My parents would not allow me to do 
this.  When I got older, my grandmother was talking about how 
much I'd matured.  She said she was so proud that I didn't 
exhibit those blindisms.  I asked my mother why she insisted that 
I stop rocking and she explained that it was socially 
inappropriate.  There are times, especially being totally blind, 
when  people do things that are socially inappropriate, but they 
don't even know this fact.  My mother said that she knew that I 
couldn't see the people around me and the fact they were not 
rocking or poking  their eyes.  She needed to put a stop to these 
behaviors.  She wanted me to not be laughed at and to be socially  
appropriate.  Arielle, I'm not sure if this was what you were 
talking about, but I figured I'd add it in.  It is in no way my 
intention to offend people.  If I have i apologize.  	When I 
worked at Perkins, I worked with people that would make certain 
sounds or flap their hands.  These students ranged in age from 9 
to 14.  It was extremely difficult to extinguish these behaviors 
at those  ages.  The students  progressed when it came time for 
me to leave, but I am uncertain as to whether the behaviors have 
been extinguished fully.

> ----- Original Message -----
>From: "Arielle Silverman" <arielle71 at gmail.com
>To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>Date sent: Mon, 3 Nov 2008 05:43:21 +1100
>Subject: [nabs-l] Social Etiquette

>Hi all,

>I certainly think that social skills/etiquette is important for 
high
>school students to understand when transitioning to college and
>beyond.  One of the difficulties with detailing it on the fact 
sheet is
>that many rules of etiquette and social grace vary depending on 
the
>situation and the expectations of the people around.  Just as 
there is
>more than one way to look fashionable, there is more than one way 
to
>be "well-mannered" and what is considered appropriate for one 
setting
>may be considered wildly inappropriate in a different one.  
Really what
>I think we want to capture is the ability to adapt to situations 
and
>"blend in" by following the social/etiquette norms called for in 
those
>situations.

>I would also point out that I think most adolescents (blind and
>sighted) who didn't grow up under a rock have a pretty good
>intellectual knowledge of what is and isn't appropriate public
>behavior.  However, there is a big difference between simply 
knowing
>what's appropriate and actually complying with social norms.  In 
order
>to comply with social norms one must know what they are, and also 
be
>motivated to comply with them, and be in full  control of their
>behavior.  Returning to the hypothetical ten-year-old kid who  
picks
>his nose in public, it's possible that he honestly doesn't know 
that
>it's inappropriate.  More likely, though, is that he's  been told 
it's
>inappropriate before (or laughed at for doing it), but he simply
>doesn't care-either because his parents didn't scold or punish 
him for
>doing it, or because they did but they're simply not around in 
the
>situation and the kid doesn't think he's likely to get in trouble 
for
>picking his nose.  A third possibility is that he is motivated to 
not
>pick his nose, but he's just spaced out and doesn't realize he's 
doing
>it, or he has a bad nasal itch and feels compelled to scratch 
inside
>his nose to relieve it, etc.  The point is that mere knowledge of
>etiquette isn't enough-people have to be motivated (ideally,
>self-motivated) to do what's appropriate.  There are some 
behaviors
>commonly seen in blind people-known as "blindisms"-that can 
become so
>habitually ingrained that even when people become motivated to 
stop
>they still  have difficulty doing it.  Eye-poking is an example 
of a
>behavior that most people engaging in it know full well that it's
>unattractive (and bad for their eyes), and often people are 
motivated
>to stop, but some have a very hard time completely eliminating 
it.
>(Speaking from  personal experience here, but also from 
conversations
>with teenagers and adults who have genuinely struggled to stop 
and
>still find themselves occasionally poking their eyes).  To give a
>different example, I think the vast majority of adults know about 
the
>negative consequences of being chronically late for things, but 
there
>are just some people who are always late-maybe they just don't 
care,
>or maybe they do but just haven't figured out how to organize 
their
>time so they're not late, etc.

>That said, I do think parents and teachers can help kids improve 
their
>social etiquette-not only by teaching what's appropriate 
(knowledge),
>but by instilling motivation.  Blind kids may be less motivated 
than
>sighted kids to comply with social expectations either because 
they've
>been held to lower standards by adults or because they don't see 
other
>people's negative reactions to their behavior.  So I think the 
emphasis
>should be on teaching blind kids and teens to truly care about
>conducting themselves well in public, adapting to different 
social
>situations and building connections with others-rather than just
>telling them to do or not do certain things.  Giving rewards for 
good
>behavior and punishments for bad is motivating to an extent, but
>eventually kids need to be motivated regardless of who's around 
to
>observe their actions.  Ideally they will learn through 
experience that
>following social norms and initiating connections with others 
makes
>them happier and helps them to reach their goals.

>So how do we do this? Any ideas?

>Arielle

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