[nabs-l] accommodations in public school

Tue Nov 11 23:32:27 UTC 2008

Dear Franandah,
Have you contacted the lady Kerry Gilmer gave you the number to call.

She will be able to help you get what you need. You are not the only 
student who has been denied what they need to get an education that 
allows them to reach their potential. Advocates are very used to 
schools and parents that say no. They no how to show people other 
alternatives. Your parents don't want to admit that you are blind, 
obviously. They need to see that by refusing to let you use your 
blindness techniques, they are holding you back from becoming all you 
can be in life.

Kerry has already told you haow helpful this lady will be. You may 
feel like there is no possibility that things will change. If you are 
left to do it for yourself, they probably won't. However, with the 
help of an experienced advocate to assist you, it is most likely that 
things will change dramatically.

If you are serious about getting braille and other accomodations then, 
I suggest that you take the next step and call the lady who can help. 
It is unlikely that anyone on this list can help you with mere 
suggestions because it relies on you to carry them out. As you keep 
telling us that no one will listen to you, there doesn't seem much 
point in trying to give you suggestions that you won't try because you 
don't believe anything will change.

Of course, if you don't want to contact the advocate lady, you could 
just wake up tomorrow morning and tell everyone that you can't see 
anything clearly. Fail all vision tests and read and look at nothing 
to do with school work or that requires close looking. No one can look 
into your head and know what you can see. Don't even try to read, just 
screw up your eyes and say nothing is clear. This is basically true 
with your restricted vision. Your parents will then have to reconsider 
options.

I hope you call the advocate and let her help you learn how to help 
yourself.

Best regards,

Heather Field
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Franandah Damstra" <fantasyfanatic01 at gmail.com>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 2:50 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accommodations in public school

Yeah, everyone knows that I'm leaglly blind, they just say that
because I have sight I should use it. I go to a really poor school and
they say that they won't pay for it. My family just can't pay for
tuition and then on top of that, braille books, embossers, and other
adaptive technology.

On 11/10/08, Beth <thebluesisloose at gmail.com> wrote:
> Does your ophthalmologist have any idea that your 20/800 sight
> classifies you as legally blind under the law?  What about the 
> Hadley
> School for the Blind?  It's a distance-education school for blind
> people, and you can take high school classes and get a diploma like
> anybody else, and you can also take a fw Bible classes, though they
> don't give credit.  As far as a Christian education, you can just go
> to youth group and go to church and participate in choirs and such.
> Thanks for the info.  I hope I can help.
> Beth
>
> On 11/10/08, Franandah Damstra <fantasyfanatic01 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> I never used an E chart. I can't see enough to do that. I've always
>> used someones finger and tracked it or something. I do go to an
>> ophthalmologist every year. The eye results I get are given to my
>> parents. My sight is 20/800. that is what I have been told. 
>> However,
>> that doesn't seam to matter because my school and TC say "You have
>> some usable sight so use it!" so...
>>
>> On 11/10/08, Beth <thebluesisloose at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> You could use an eye exam results thing.  You need to see an
>>> ophthalmologist, someone qualified to look at your eyes.  Using E
>>> chart results will put enough pressure on the school.  Then, what 
>>> you
>>> need to do is talk to an organization like NFB who can help try to
>>> pressure the school into allowing you to have audio books and so 
>>> on.
>>> Beth
>>>
>>> On 11/10/08, Franandah Damstra <fantasyfanatic01 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> How?
>>>>
>>>> On 11/10/08, Beth <thebluesisloose at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Okay.  So you could still pressure the heck out of the school 
>>>>> until
>>>>> you get what you need.
>>>>> Beth
>>>>>
>>>>> On 11/10/08, Franandah Damstra <fantasyfanatic01 at gmail.com> 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> I have mobility training, just no braille books and technology.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 11/6/08, Beth <thebluesisloose at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> I would pressure the heck out of the school until you get 
>>>>>>> Braille and
>>>>>>> more mobility training.  I get training once a week at the 
>>>>>>> most.
>>>>>>> Beth
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 11/6/08, Franandah Damstra <fantasyfanatic01 at gmail.com> 
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> I am soposted to get large print books and assingments, but 
>>>>>>>> everyone
>>>>>>>> always forgets so I'm always behind in school. I have extra 
>>>>>>>> time on
>>>>>>>> tests and mobility training twice a month. I really would 
>>>>>>>> rather
>>>>>>>> swich
>>>>>>>> to braille though.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 11/6/08, Beth <thebluesisloose at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> I have a friend who said she got her stuff enlarged while 
>>>>>>>>> she had
>>>>>>>>> enough sight.  She's going blind year by year, and she's 
>>>>>>>>> fine with
>>>>>>>>> Braille now.
>>>>>>>>> Beth
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 11/6/08, Sarah Jevnikar <sarah.jevnikar at utoronto.ca> 
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> I had orientation and mobility training too - an hour a 
>>>>>>>>>> week after
>>>>>>>>>> school.
>>>>>>>>>> It was pretty awesome.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org 
>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>>>>>>> On
>>>>>>>>>> Behalf
>>>>>>>>>> Of Hope Paulos
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 4:47 PM
>>>>>>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accomodations in public school
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I had brailled handouts, brailled texts and audio texts,
>>>>>>>>>> orientation and mobility training and extra time on tests. 
>>>>>>>>>> These
>>>>>>>>>> were extremely effective.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>>From: "Rania" <raniaismail04 at gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>>>To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>>>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>>>>Date sent: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 16:34:38 -0500
>>>>>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accomodations in public school
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>I had braille extra time on tests my books and hand outs 
>>>>>>>>>>>were
>>>>>>>>>> also brailled.
>>>>>>>>>>>Rania,
>>>>>>>>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>>From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net
>>>>>>>>>>>To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>>>>>>>><nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>>>>Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 3:05 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>Subject: [nabs-l] accomodations in public school
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm asking this for a class as well as to compare my 
>>>>>>>>>>>> experience
>>>>>>>>>> to yours.
>>>>>>>>>>>> I had pretty decent services.  I got braille and audio 
>>>>>>>>>>>> books and
>>>>>>>>>> my TVI
>>>>>>>>>>>> was good at giving braille handouts and I got extra time 
>>>>>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>>> tests.
>>>>>>>>>>>> As we have discussed before, I struggled fitting in 
>>>>>>>>>>>> socially
>>>>>>>>>> though.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> In my psychology of individuals with disabilities class, 
>>>>>>>>>>>> I was
>>>>>>>>>> asked to
>>>>>>>>>>>> present about visual impairment and accomodations and 
>>>>>>>>>>>> other
>>>>>>>>>> academic
>>>>>>>>>>>> impact.  So my questions.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 1.  What accomodations did you use?
>>>>>>>>>>>> 2.  Were they effective? If you used print you may have 
>>>>>>>>>>>> been
>>>>>>>>>> more effective
>>>>>>>>>>>> with braille.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> 3.  What should have been done that was not?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Common accomodations I can think of are: large print or 
>>>>>>>>>>>> braille
>>>>>>>>>> handouts,
>>>>>>>>>>>> audio texts, and extended time on tests.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>>>>>> Ashley
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