[nabs-l] Trays

Thu Nov 13 21:09:38 UTC 2008

Well, there ain' no trays at Suwannee Dining Hall here at FSU, so I've
had to rely on others o help me get my food.  Also, there is so much
chaos and the cash register is outside the line, not inside the line
and in every station like in a normal cafeteria/buffet.  You know what
I mean?
Beth

On 11/13/08, Arielle Silverman <arielle71 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> At the NFB centers they teach you a  method  for carrying a tray with
> your non-cane hand by holding the tray against your hip and wrapping
> your fingers around the drink if there is one.
>
> It's also pretty easy to carry a  single bowl or plate in your
> non-cane hand. One trick is to put silverware, napkins, etc. either
> under the  plate or in your pocket.
>
> The only things I  haven't figured out is  how to  carry a plate and
> cup with no tray, or to carry multiple drinks on a tray.
>
> As for travel through a cafeteria or food court, this can be
> challenging, but don't be afraid to  ask questions of people around
> you even if there is no staff member or friend to help. "Is this the
> salad line? No? Could you tell me where it is please?"
>
> One lesson I've learned is to stop and  listen  whenever  I go into a
> place like a fast-food restaurant, store or cafeteria. Listen for
> audible landmarks like the cash registers, drink dispenser, TV or
> background music and use these  landmarks to keep your bearings  as
> you move through  the store.
>
> I don't know if others have experienced this, but I think I've
> sometimes  gotten in the habit of walking into a store or restaurant
> and just moving without stopping to listen. I think that
> subconsciously I tend to keep  moving so other people don't think I'm
> lost or helpless. But what I've learned is that  in  the long run,
> it's better to take that extra second to stop and listen--and  be able
> to move more  smoothly through the place and find the door on the  way
> out.
>
> Cheers
> Arielle
>
> On 11/13/08, melissa R. Green <graduate56 at juno.com> wrote:
>> Carrie,
>> Thank you for your willingness to sare ideas with us.
>> I had a hard time carrying my tray in school.
>> To be honest, I didn't use a cane in school, except for mobility which I
>> only
>> got every three to four months.
>> My mom worked with me on how to carry things level.
>> I can't do that as well as I used to because of the slight tremors in my
>> hands.
>> I didn't really get to practice carrying a tray much until I got to the
>> colorado
>> center.
>> I knew how to do it.
>> But I sure got practice doing it at a buffet, and at windys as well.
>> Lol!
>>
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Sincerely,
>> Melissa R. Green
>> Hold on to your dream and it shall be well with you.
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf
>> Of
>> Carrie Gilmer
>> Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008 6:23 AM
>> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Trays
>>
>> If you wrap your one arm around the tray, you can usually also hold the
>> glass (if there is one) you can also feel with your arm if things start to
>> slide on the tray and adjust, this leaves your other hand free for the
>> cane.
>> I have taught this to elementary age students whose arms are not that long
>> and it still works, I believe this method is also taught at our training
>> centers.
>>
>>
>>
>> Carrie Gilmer, President
>> National Organization of Parents of Blind Children
>> A Division of the National Federation of the Blind
>> NFB National Center: 410-659-9314
>> Home Phone: 763-784-8590
>> carrie.gilmer at gmail.com
>> www.nfb.org/nopbc
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf
>> Of Beth
>> Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008 3:44 AM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] friends
>>
>> You might be right, only you can't possibly keep the thing level.  I
>> am horrible at keeping stuff level at last.
>> Beth
>>
>> On 11/6/08, Sarah Jevnikar <sarah.jevnikar at utoronto.ca> wrote:
>>> I find trays are a disaster and make things harder with a cane. At least
>>> with a plate/bowl you potentially have a cane hand free.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>> Behalf
>>> Of Ashley Bramlett
>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 5:38 PM
>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] freinds
>>>
>>> Albert,
>>> I've gone to public places alone but not concerts that I can recall;
>>> although that is auditory and there is no reason why we should not and
>> enjoy
>>>
>>> it.
>>> Beth said she did not go to social events alone and my point is you can
>>> go
>>> to some and get something out of it.  She said
>>>
>>> "but there are other things I won't do alone either: going to
>>>> concerts, which I have to do anyway; going to restaurants, which is
>>>> fine with me because I don't have to carry food around which I don't
>>>> know how to do because I don't feel I can hold a plate with one hand
>>>> and cane with another, and we don't have trays at FSU, no we don't;
>>>> and going to parties and such."
>>>
>>> It is much more fun to go to things in groups but I don't think blindness
>>> should stop you from going to concerts, restaurants and parties  if that
>> is
>>> what you want to do.
>>> No I have not been to a concert alone that i recall, but I did go to a
>> play
>>> at school alone.  I've also gone to restaurants alone; I get tired of
>>> cafeteria food and the Ballston commons Mall is near.  You can easily
>>> walk
>>> there from the metro and buy stuff from a regular restaurant or food
>> court.
>>> Some students go in groups; others go alone.
>>> Yes I do agree that attending a sporting event such as basketball or
>>> baseball would not be fun alone because with the crowd and noise it is
>>> difficult to navigate and you cannot ask your friend what is happening
>> then.
>>>
>>> However there are other events that you can do alone.  Now if Beth or
>> anyone
>>>
>>> wants to go to events in groups because that is there personality that is
>>> fine.  But blindness should not get in the way.  I for one would like to
>> go
>>> to more things like concerts or out to eat with friends but they're busy
>> and
>>>
>>> most are just acquaintances, not close friends.
>>> But I'll go to things alone to enjoy if its something I really want.
>>>
>>> Ashley
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Albert Yoo" <albertyoo1 at hotmail.com>
>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 2:08 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] freinds
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Ashley, have you gone to a concert alone? It wouldn't be any fun to go
>>>> to
>>>> a concert or sporting event alone to a basketball football baseball or
>> ice
>>>
>>>> hockey game you wouldn't be able to get around easily at the stadium if
>>>> you were alone. Albert
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net
>>>>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>> Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 11:38:08 -0500
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] freinds
>>>>>
>>>>> Beth,
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm surprised you are uncomfortable going to restaurants alone. Unless
>> at
>>>
>>>>> a
>>>>> buffett you don't have to carry food to the table. Your school is weird
>>>>> if
>>>>> you don't have trays. Most cafeterias do. I think you should go to
>>>>> concerts or restaurants if you want to. Sometimes people are not going
>> to
>>>>> be around to take you. Yes its more enjoyable to go to restaurants and
>>>>> concerts with friends but it is certainly possible to do alone. You
>>>>> should
>>>>> step out of your confort zone. On a tour bus my mom and I encountered a
>>>>> sight seer alone from London touring Boston.
>>>>> So people do do big things alone.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ashley
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Beth"
>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 10:49 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] freinds
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>I looooooove bowling. I usually get my ten frames wrth with
>>>>>> friends,but there are other things I won't do alone either: going to
>>>>>> concerts, which I have to do anyway; going to restaurants, which is
>>>>>> fine with me because I don't have to carry food around which I don't
>>>>>> know how to do because I don't feel I can hold a plate with one hand
>>>>>> and cane with another, and we don't have trays at FSU, no we don't;
>>>>>> and going to parties and such. I absolutely refuse to make an
>>>>>> appearence at anything alone. I'd rater be in a group of friends
>>>>>> because I don't want to look weird or anything.
>>>>>> Beth
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 11/3/08, Serena  wrote:
>>>>>>> Hi Harry
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'd have to disagree about adapted sports, especially bowling. I love
>>>>>>> bowling! I'll admit, I'm not that great, but who cares. All sighted
>>>>>>> people
>>>>>>> really have to do for me is help me line up so the ball will go down
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> middle of the lane. Also, my deaf-blind friend (I mentioned in a
>> recent
>>>>>>> post asking about AIM) loves every sport you can imagine, including
>>>>>>> golf!
>>>>>>> He can see a little bit, but I think he mostly functions as a blind
>>>>>>> person
>>>>>>> as far as sports. If you have any specific questions you'd like me to
>>>>>>> ask
>>>>>>> him, I'm sure he'd be happy to tell me info to help someone else!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Serena
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> From: "Harry Hogue"
>>>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 7:09 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] freinds
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Great topic, guys. I have never had really close friends, either. Een
>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>> college, I neer developed close relationships--more like people I
>>>>>>> talk
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> during class, etc. Part of that is my personality--I get really quiet
>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>> group and jsut naturally prefer to be in a smaller group of people
>>>>>>> (like
>>>>>>> one
>>>>>>> or two ther people). I have joined the chess club--yes I am a nerd
>>>>>>> lol--and
>>>>>>> really like it, and get along great with those folks. I go to the
>>>>>>> Spanish
>>>>>>> table once a weekand do other things--so I make a concerted effort.
>>>>>>> It
>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>> good to know that I am not the only blind perso nthat suffers from
>>>>>>> these
>>>>>>> feelings.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I would loe to get out there and be able to play soccer--the real
>>>>>>> thing,
>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>> some weird modified ersion with sighted people helping. Does anyone
>>>>>>> else
>>>>>>> feel this way? If this is better addressed either off list or on the
>>>>>>> sports
>>>>>>> and rec list, that's fine. Just thinking of extracurricular
>>>>>>> activities
>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>> I would like to participate in but can't. Soemthign we don't really
>>>>>>> say--but
>>>>>>> when we say that people can participate equally--I don't know that it
>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>> entirely true when it comes to sports. Granted I've never done it the
>>>>>>> way
>>>>>>> they migh suggest, but bowling... I see no way of a totally blind
>>>>>>> person
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> bowl and get the same experience out of it with out sighted help that
>>>>>>> diminishes the experience; likewise, beep baseball and the other
>>>>>>> adapted
>>>>>>> sports. Dont' mean to go off on something I don't know much about,
>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>> think it does fit in well with our discussion of social integration
>> and
>>>>>>> making friends, etc. Thoughts?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Harry
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --- On Mon, 11/3/08, Beth  wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> From: Beth
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] freinds
>>>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Date: Monday, November 3, 2008, 1:56 PM
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You are right, Carey. The people in question could be too busy.
>>>>>>> However, may I point out that my younger brother, eighteen years old,
>>>>>>> already has a girlfriend and runs around everywhere with her? I am
>>>>>>> envious of every sighted person who has a significant other, and you
>>>>>>> know why he has her? Because he can immitate appropriate social
>>>>>>> skills. I am a firm believer in having good social skills as a
>>>>>>> prerequisite to scoring with the oppoite sex. The key to winning a
>>>>>>> successful date and keeping that significant other is having good
>>>>>>> social skills. I have a young man in college here at FSU who is a
>>>>>>> friend, but he understands unlike the previous people I've dealt
>>>>>>> with,
>>>>>>> the nature of blindness and its accessories because his mom had a
>>>>>>> blind student. I've spoken to him and his mom about this issue and it
>>>>>>> just makes sense that he wouldn't simply give up on me as a friend. I
>>>>>>> admit I did a few things he didn't like, but then he admitted he
>>>>>>> wouldn't give up.
>>>>>>> Beth
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 11/3/08, Carrie Gilmer  wrote:
>>>>>>>> I would just like to add to Beth and Hope,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Jordan has not had many social offers himself. And he is well liked
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>> is key-respected- in class and in the extra curricular groups. I
>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>> found
>>>>>>>> that blind people maybe especially need to be very pro-active on
>> this.
>>>
>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>> told him once that to eat lunch with others he needed to initiate,
>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> go
>>>>>>>> out, he needed to call. I told him he was not like a Hollywood Star,
>>>>>>> people
>>>>>>>> were not going to line up to go out with him. In my own life, as a
>>>>>>>> sighted
>>>>>>>> person, I can tell you that nearly every one of my friendships are
>>>>>>>> because
>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>> my self kept in contact. I called, I made the lunch date, I invited
>>>>>>>> them
>>>>>>>> over, I remembered the birthday card. I have friends from grade
>> school
>>>>>>>> still, but most often I am the one to keep up the contact. It is
>> often
>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>> way, some people are better at it. I never care or make anyone feel
>> it
>>>>>>>> mattered if they haven't called me for three years, I don't even
>>>>>>> listen to
>>>>>>>> the "excuse" I just say forget it, how are you now, wanna do
>>>>>>> lunch on
>>>>>>>> Thursday and catch up?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I know that there are people who will avoid the blindness, most are
>>>>>>>> though
>>>>>>>> just unsure. But I think it can affect fro your end too, in the can
>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>> walk
>>>>>>>> the walk you talk totally? Like that little girl I mentioned, IF
>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>> skill
>>>>>>>> level and independence is not truly equal that can effect. But on
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> other
>>>>>>>> hand kids know Jordan is equal to them in school, I think sometimes
>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>> don't realize he is equally independent out of school too. On the
>>>>>>> other
>>>>>>>> hand, he is often too busy to have any free time to go out, and
>>>>>>>> these
>>>>>>>> days
>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>> know a lot of students (my husband is a high school teacher) who are
>>>>>>>> high
>>>>>>>> GPA, working jobs, volunteering and in extra curricular and they
>> don't
>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>> time much either. So I think they aren't calling like he isn't,
>>>>>>> just too
>>>>>>>> busy!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Carrie Gilmer, President
>>>>>>>> National Organization of Parents of Blind Children
>>>>>>>> A Division of the National Federation of the Blind
>>>>>>>> NFB National Center:
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