[nabs-l] Trays

Ashley Bramlett bookwormahb at earthlink.net
Fri Nov 14 02:10:26 UTC 2008


Beth,
Actually your description does not make sense.  Here at my university we 
have a contractor do the food service.  Its set up in stations and the cash 
register
is at the entrance of the cafeteria.
You pick up your tray and utensils and go to whereever you want and get 
plates or bowls at the stations as needed.  Most food stays the same such as 
pizza, pasta, salad bar, and grill.  The entrees change.
I get assistance from the staff.  Some are more helpful than others.  The 
trays are big and I've had issues carrying food level with one hand since my 
cane in the other and besides the trays are big and I have small hands. 
Therefore I have assistance in carrying my food.  I think hiring readers and 
the extra work I have academically for advocacy, setting appointments for 
tests, etc is more important to work on here than dealing with the loud, 
chaos driven, cafeteria scene.

I do handle it more alone at food courts though.  Those lighter trays are 
more manageable to me.
I just walk up to the food station and ask the staff or someone else what is 
on the menu and then order, pay and sit down at a table.

Ashley
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Beth" <thebluesisloose at gmail.com>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 4:09 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Trays


> Well, there ain' no trays at Suwannee Dining Hall here at FSU, so I've
> had to rely on others o help me get my food.  Also, there is so much
> chaos and the cash register is outside the line, not inside the line
> and in every station like in a normal cafeteria/buffet.  You know what
> I mean?
> Beth
>
> On 11/13/08, Arielle Silverman <arielle71 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> At the NFB centers they teach you a  method  for carrying a tray with
>> your non-cane hand by holding the tray against your hip and wrapping
>> your fingers around the drink if there is one.
>>
>> It's also pretty easy to carry a  single bowl or plate in your
>> non-cane hand. One trick is to put silverware, napkins, etc. either
>> under the  plate or in your pocket.
>>
>> The only things I  haven't figured out is  how to  carry a plate and
>> cup with no tray, or to carry multiple drinks on a tray.
>>
>> As for travel through a cafeteria or food court, this can be
>> challenging, but don't be afraid to  ask questions of people around
>> you even if there is no staff member or friend to help. "Is this the
>> salad line? No? Could you tell me where it is please?"
>>
>> One lesson I've learned is to stop and  listen  whenever  I go into a
>> place like a fast-food restaurant, store or cafeteria. Listen for
>> audible landmarks like the cash registers, drink dispenser, TV or
>> background music and use these  landmarks to keep your bearings  as
>> you move through  the store.
>>
>> I don't know if others have experienced this, but I think I've
>> sometimes  gotten in the habit of walking into a store or restaurant
>> and just moving without stopping to listen. I think that
>> subconsciously I tend to keep  moving so other people don't think I'm
>> lost or helpless. But what I've learned is that  in  the long run,
>> it's better to take that extra second to stop and listen--and  be able
>> to move more  smoothly through the place and find the door on the  way
>> out.
>>
>> Cheers
>> Arielle
>>
>> On 11/13/08, melissa R. Green <graduate56 at juno.com> wrote:
>>> Carrie,
>>> Thank you for your willingness to sare ideas with us.
>>> I had a hard time carrying my tray in school.
>>> To be honest, I didn't use a cane in school, except for mobility which I
>>> only
>>> got every three to four months.
>>> My mom worked with me on how to carry things level.
>>> I can't do that as well as I used to because of the slight tremors in my
>>> hands.
>>> I didn't really get to practice carrying a tray much until I got to the
>>> colorado
>>> center.
>>> I knew how to do it.
>>> But I sure got practice doing it at a buffet, and at windys as well.
>>> Lol!
>>>
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>> Sincerely,
>>> Melissa R. Green
>>> Hold on to your dream and it shall be well with you.
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf
>>> Of
>>> Carrie Gilmer
>>> Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008 6:23 AM
>>> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Trays
>>>
>>> If you wrap your one arm around the tray, you can usually also hold the
>>> glass (if there is one) you can also feel with your arm if things start 
>>> to
>>> slide on the tray and adjust, this leaves your other hand free for the
>>> cane.
>>> I have taught this to elementary age students whose arms are not that 
>>> long
>>> and it still works, I believe this method is also taught at our training
>>> centers.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Carrie Gilmer, President
>>> National Organization of Parents of Blind Children
>>> A Division of the National Federation of the Blind
>>> NFB National Center: 410-659-9314
>>> Home Phone: 763-784-8590
>>> carrie.gilmer at gmail.com
>>> www.nfb.org/nopbc
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf
>>> Of Beth
>>> Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008 3:44 AM
>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] friends
>>>
>>> You might be right, only you can't possibly keep the thing level.  I
>>> am horrible at keeping stuff level at last.
>>> Beth
>>>
>>> On 11/6/08, Sarah Jevnikar <sarah.jevnikar at utoronto.ca> wrote:
>>>> I find trays are a disaster and make things harder with a cane. At 
>>>> least
>>>> with a plate/bowl you potentially have a cane hand free.
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>> Behalf
>>>> Of Ashley Bramlett
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 5:38 PM
>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] freinds
>>>>
>>>> Albert,
>>>> I've gone to public places alone but not concerts that I can recall;
>>>> although that is auditory and there is no reason why we should not and
>>> enjoy
>>>>
>>>> it.
>>>> Beth said she did not go to social events alone and my point is you can
>>>> go
>>>> to some and get something out of it.  She said
>>>>
>>>> "but there are other things I won't do alone either: going to
>>>>> concerts, which I have to do anyway; going to restaurants, which is
>>>>> fine with me because I don't have to carry food around which I don't
>>>>> know how to do because I don't feel I can hold a plate with one hand
>>>>> and cane with another, and we don't have trays at FSU, no we don't;
>>>>> and going to parties and such."
>>>>
>>>> It is much more fun to go to things in groups but I don't think 
>>>> blindness
>>>> should stop you from going to concerts, restaurants and parties  if 
>>>> that
>>> is
>>>> what you want to do.
>>>> No I have not been to a concert alone that i recall, but I did go to a
>>> play
>>>> at school alone.  I've also gone to restaurants alone; I get tired of
>>>> cafeteria food and the Ballston commons Mall is near.  You can easily
>>>> walk
>>>> there from the metro and buy stuff from a regular restaurant or food
>>> court.
>>>> Some students go in groups; others go alone.
>>>> Yes I do agree that attending a sporting event such as basketball or
>>>> baseball would not be fun alone because with the crowd and noise it is
>>>> difficult to navigate and you cannot ask your friend what is happening
>>> then.
>>>>
>>>> However there are other events that you can do alone.  Now if Beth or
>>> anyone
>>>>
>>>> wants to go to events in groups because that is there personality that 
>>>> is
>>>> fine.  But blindness should not get in the way.  I for one would like 
>>>> to
>>> go
>>>> to more things like concerts or out to eat with friends but they're 
>>>> busy
>>> and
>>>>
>>>> most are just acquaintances, not close friends.
>>>> But I'll go to things alone to enjoy if its something I really want.
>>>>
>>>> Ashley
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Albert Yoo" <albertyoo1 at hotmail.com>
>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 2:08 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] freinds
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Ashley, have you gone to a concert alone? It wouldn't be any fun to go
>>>>> to
>>>>> a concert or sporting event alone to a basketball football baseball or
>>> ice
>>>>
>>>>> hockey game you wouldn't be able to get around easily at the stadium 
>>>>> if
>>>>> you were alone. Albert
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net
>>>>>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>>> Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 11:38:08 -0500
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] freinds
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Beth,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm surprised you are uncomfortable going to restaurants alone. 
>>>>>> Unless
>>> at
>>>>
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> buffett you don't have to carry food to the table. Your school is 
>>>>>> weird
>>>>>> if
>>>>>> you don't have trays. Most cafeterias do. I think you should go to
>>>>>> concerts or restaurants if you want to. Sometimes people are not 
>>>>>> going
>>> to
>>>>>> be around to take you. Yes its more enjoyable to go to restaurants 
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> concerts with friends but it is certainly possible to do alone. You
>>>>>> should
>>>>>> step out of your confort zone. On a tour bus my mom and I encountered 
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> sight seer alone from London touring Boston.
>>>>>> So people do do big things alone.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ashley
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "Beth"
>>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 10:49 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] freinds
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I looooooove bowling. I usually get my ten frames wrth with
>>>>>>> friends,but there are other things I won't do alone either: going to
>>>>>>> concerts, which I have to do anyway; going to restaurants, which is
>>>>>>> fine with me because I don't have to carry food around which I don't
>>>>>>> know how to do because I don't feel I can hold a plate with one hand
>>>>>>> and cane with another, and we don't have trays at FSU, no we don't;
>>>>>>> and going to parties and such. I absolutely refuse to make an
>>>>>>> appearence at anything alone. I'd rater be in a group of friends
>>>>>>> because I don't want to look weird or anything.
>>>>>>> Beth
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 11/3/08, Serena  wrote:
>>>>>>>> Hi Harry
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'd have to disagree about adapted sports, especially bowling. I 
>>>>>>>> love
>>>>>>>> bowling! I'll admit, I'm not that great, but who cares. All sighted
>>>>>>>> people
>>>>>>>> really have to do for me is help me line up so the ball will go 
>>>>>>>> down
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> middle of the lane. Also, my deaf-blind friend (I mentioned in a
>>> recent
>>>>>>>> post asking about AIM) loves every sport you can imagine, including
>>>>>>>> golf!
>>>>>>>> He can see a little bit, but I think he mostly functions as a blind
>>>>>>>> person
>>>>>>>> as far as sports. If you have any specific questions you'd like me 
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> ask
>>>>>>>> him, I'm sure he'd be happy to tell me info to help someone else!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Serena
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>> From: "Harry Hogue"
>>>>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 7:09 PM
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] freinds
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Great topic, guys. I have never had really close friends, either. 
>>>>>>>> Een
>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>> college, I neer developed close relationships--more like people I
>>>>>>>> talk
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> during class, etc. Part of that is my personality--I get really 
>>>>>>>> quiet
>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>> group and jsut naturally prefer to be in a smaller group of people
>>>>>>>> (like
>>>>>>>> one
>>>>>>>> or two ther people). I have joined the chess club--yes I am a nerd
>>>>>>>> lol--and
>>>>>>>> really like it, and get along great with those folks. I go to the
>>>>>>>> Spanish
>>>>>>>> table once a weekand do other things--so I make a concerted effort.
>>>>>>>> It
>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>> good to know that I am not the only blind perso nthat suffers from
>>>>>>>> these
>>>>>>>> feelings.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I would loe to get out there and be able to play soccer--the real
>>>>>>>> thing,
>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>> some weird modified ersion with sighted people helping. Does anyone
>>>>>>>> else
>>>>>>>> feel this way? If this is better addressed either off list or on 
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> sports
>>>>>>>> and rec list, that's fine. Just thinking of extracurricular
>>>>>>>> activities
>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>> I would like to participate in but can't. Soemthign we don't really
>>>>>>>> say--but
>>>>>>>> when we say that people can participate equally--I don't know that 
>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>> entirely true when it comes to sports. Granted I've never done it 
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> way
>>>>>>>> they migh suggest, but bowling... I see no way of a totally blind
>>>>>>>> person
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> bowl and get the same experience out of it with out sighted help 
>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>> diminishes the experience; likewise, beep baseball and the other
>>>>>>>> adapted
>>>>>>>> sports. Dont' mean to go off on something I don't know much about,
>>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>> think it does fit in well with our discussion of social integration
>>> and
>>>>>>>> making friends, etc. Thoughts?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Harry
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --- On Mon, 11/3/08, Beth  wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> From: Beth
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] freinds
>>>>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Date: Monday, November 3, 2008, 1:56 PM
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You are right, Carey. The people in question could be too busy.
>>>>>>>> However, may I point out that my younger brother, eighteen years 
>>>>>>>> old,
>>>>>>>> already has a girlfriend and runs around everywhere with her? I am
>>>>>>>> envious of every sighted person who has a significant other, and 
>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>> know why he has her? Because he can immitate appropriate social
>>>>>>>> skills. I am a firm believer in having good social skills as a
>>>>>>>> prerequisite to scoring with the oppoite sex. The key to winning a
>>>>>>>> successful date and keeping that significant other is having good
>>>>>>>> social skills. I have a young man in college here at FSU who is a
>>>>>>>> friend, but he understands unlike the previous people I've dealt
>>>>>>>> with,
>>>>>>>> the nature of blindness and its accessories because his mom had a
>>>>>>>> blind student. I've spoken to him and his mom about this issue and 
>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>> just makes sense that he wouldn't simply give up on me as a friend. 
>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>> admit I did a few things he didn't like, but then he admitted he
>>>>>>>> wouldn't give up.
>>>>>>>> Beth
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 11/3/08, Carrie Gilmer  wrote:
>>>>>>>>> I would just like to add to Beth and Hope,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Jordan has not had many social offers himself. And he is well 
>>>>>>>>> liked
>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>> is key-respected- in class and in the extra curricular groups. I
>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>> found
>>>>>>>>> that blind people maybe especially need to be very pro-active on
>>> this.
>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>> told him once that to eat lunch with others he needed to initiate,
>>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> go
>>>>>>>>> out, he needed to call. I told him he was not like a Hollywood 
>>>>>>>>> Star,
>>>>>>>> people
>>>>>>>>> were not going to line up to go out with him. In my own life, as a
>>>>>>>>> sighted
>>>>>>>>> person, I can tell you that nearly every one of my friendships are
>>>>>>>>> because
>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>> my self kept in contact. I called, I made the lunch date, I 
>>>>>>>>> invited
>>>>>>>>> them
>>>>>>>>> over, I remembered the birthday card. I have friends from grade
>>> school
>>>>>>>>> still, but most often I am the one to keep up the contact. It is
>>> often
>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>> way, some people are better at it. I never care or make anyone 
>>>>>>>>> feel
>>> it
>>>>>>>>> mattered if they haven't called me for three years, I don't even
>>>>>>>> listen to
>>>>>>>>> the "excuse" I just say forget it, how are you now, wanna do
>>>>>>>> lunch on
>>>>>>>>> Thursday and catch up?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I know that there are people who will avoid the blindness, most 
>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>> though
>>>>>>>>> just unsure. But I think it can affect fro your end too, in the 
>>>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>> walk
>>>>>>>>> the walk you talk totally? Like that little girl I mentioned, IF
>>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>> skill
>>>>>>>>> level and independence is not truly equal that can effect. But on
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> other
>>>>>>>>> hand kids know Jordan is equal to them in school, I think 
>>>>>>>>> sometimes
>>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>>> don't realize he is equally independent out of school too. On the
>>>>>>>> other
>>>>>>>>> hand, he is often too busy to have any free time to go out, and
>>>>>>>>> these
>>>>>>>>> days
>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>> know a lot of students (my husband is a high school teacher) who 
>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>> high
>>>>>>>>> GPA, working jobs, volunteering and in extra curricular and they
>>> don't
>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>> time much either. So I think they aren't calling like he isn't,
>>>>>>>> just too
>>>>>>>>> busy!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Carrie Gilmer, President
>>>>>>>>> National Organization of Parents of Blind Children
>>>>>>>>> A Division of the National Federation of the Blind
>>>>>>>>> NFB National Center:
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