[nabs-l] Serving Yourself Food
Beth
thebluesisloose at gmail.com
Fri Nov 14 03:13:57 UTC 2008
It was an employee who said they don't get paid to help a blind
customer. ell, they should be paid to help customers, all of them,
not just cook and wash dishes.
Beth
On 11/13/08, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
> Hi Hope,
>
> I do that too. I ask an employee to assist me in walking around to the
> stations. My cafeteria is not as big as yours but its nice. They have
> table cloths there and napkin holders on the tables. The chairs are some of
> the most comfortable on campus, much better than what we have in class.
>
> Ashley
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Hope Paulos" <hope.paulos at maine.edu>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 7:20 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Serving Yourself Food
>
>
>> HiBeth. I'm not sure how your cafeteria is set up, but if I go to the
>> union, the central cafeteria in my college, which is very big, I go to the
>>
>> cash register and ask someone to assist me in walking around to each
>> station. Then they'll assist me with ringing me up and to find a table.
>> This cafeteria is really big. One big room with another room coming off
>> of that and stairs everywhere. There are balconies to sit on, too. It's
>>
>> a nice place, but I don't like the size. Smile. As far as what the woman
>>
>> said, it was uncalled for. Was that an employee that told you this, or
>> merely a student?
>>
>> Hope and Beignet
>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>From: Beth <thebluesisloose at gmail.com
>>>To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>Date sent: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 18:49:24 -0500
>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Serving Yourself Food
>>
>>>The reason the staff doesn't want to help at peak hours is
>> because
>>>there are less of them doing more work. The manager e-mailed me
>> today
>>>when I sent him an e-mail. I e-mailed the location manager
>> saying
>>>what was up, and he said why not sit down and let somene just
>> bring it
>>>to me. Well, not a bad idea. But I'll have to let him know if
>> it
>>>appens again. Honestly, I'm more worried about obtaining my
>> basic
>>>needs right about now. But I could get my own tray, but then I'd
>> have
>>>to carry it around all day. But then there's this one lady who
>> said
>>>the staff isn't paid to serve a blind customer. I mean, not in
>> that
>>>manner we're talking about. I didn't appreciate the woman's
>> comments
>>>as much as I don't appreciate bad service or help forthousands of
>>>dollars in a meal plan contract, even though Florida's Division
>> of
>>>Blind Services sponsors it. It's still thousands of taxpayer
>> dollars
>>>going into MY meal plan.
>>>Beth
>>
>>>On 11/13/08, Serena <serenacucco at verizon.net> wrote:
>>>> Honestly, I don't see why the staff doesn't wanna help you. I
>> don't mean to
>>>> say they owe you anything, but I even got help carrying my food
>> in college.
>>>> The trays they had there were simply too big for my really small
>> hands. I
>>>> think some of the staff weren't too into the idea at first, but
>> then, the
>>>> managers got everybody on board. I realize now, I could've
>> bought my own
>>>> tray before going to college, but I guess I felt orienting to
>> campus and
>>>> dealing with hiring and firing readers was more important than
>> trying to
>>>> deal with the cafeteria scene.
>>
>>>> Serena
>>
>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Beth" <thebluesisloose at gmail.com
>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 7:43 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Serving Yourself Food
>>
>>
>>>>> Good idea. I'll have to go sometime, but how do I deal with the
>> staff
>>>>> problem now whle I don't have a tray?
>>>>> Beth
>>
>>>>> On 11/13/08, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>>>> Beth,
>>
>>>>>> If you want to shop at Walmart or somewhere paratransit is not a
>> good
>>>>>> idea
>>>>>> since they can be unreliable keeping you waiting or come before
>> your are
>>>>>> finished shopping.
>>
>>>>>> I'd suggest getting a ride. Much easier said than done. I had
>> that
>>>>>> problem
>>>>>> too. But ask around. Ask your hall mates. Ask your roommate
>> if she
>>>>>> drives. Any friendly faculty or staff? Once or twice a nice
>> nursing
>>>>>> faculty member gave me a ride to the mall. If you do get a ride
>> offer to
>>>>>> pay gas or something for it.
>>
>>>>>> Ashley
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "Beth" <thebluesisloose at gmail.com
>>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 10:34 PM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Serving Yourself Food
>>
>>
>>>>>>> Good idea. However, I have a problem with the paratransit bus
>>>>>>> service. Since I live in a dorm, I can't necessarily designate
>> a
>>>>>>> place for the paratransit driver to pick me up. Worse, I have
>> to wait
>>>>>>> an hour more than necessary for them to pick me back up. Hence,
>> my
>>>>>>> friend and I have nicknamed it "dial-a-wait."
>>>>>>> Beth
>>
>>>>>>> On 11/12/08, Linda Stover <liamskitten at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Beth,
>>
>>>>>>>> What about paratransite? I have a friend who schedules them to
>> take
>>>>>>>> him to a particular place, and then pick him up in their next
>> window
>>>>>>>> of opportunity.
>>>>>>>> Courtney
>>
>>>>>>>> On 11/12/08, Beth <thebluesisloose at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Good thinking, Heather. Trick is to get someone with a car to
>> bring
>>>>>>>>> me down there.
>>>>>>>>> Beth
>>
>>>>>>>>> On 11/12/08, H. Field <missheather at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Hi Beth,
>>>>>>>>>> Take your own tray to the dining hall with you.
>>
>>>>>>>>>> Places like Walmart have a huge array of tray choices, many of
>> them
>>>>>>>>>> value for money. Spend half an hour choosing the inexpensive
>> tray
>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>> would most fit your needs. Then, simply take your own tray with
>> you
>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>> all of your meals in the dining-hall. This will improve your
>> ability
>>>>>>>>>> to be independent and will lessen the ability of others to
>> impact
>>>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>>>> day.
>>
>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>
>>>>>>>>>> Heather Field
>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>> From: "Beth" <thebluesisloose at gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>>>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 4:02 PM
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Serving Yourself Food
>>
>>
>>>>>>>>>> Thank God I found this e-mail, Arielle. I'm having a huge
>> problem
>>>>>>>>>> with staff at my dining hall who are not willing to help me get
>> my
>>>>>>>>>> food or serve myself. Since I have to hold a cane in my right
>> hand
>>>>>>>>>> and since they don't have trays and since the stations are mre
>> than
>>>>>>>>>> one and helter-skelter and since nobody taught me how to
>> maneuver
>>>>>>>>>> around that big cafeteria, I'm blown away by how rude the staff
>> has
>>>>>>>>>> behaved lately. During peak hours, I'd walk in and say that I
>> needed
>>>>>>>>>> some help, and nobody helps out. Their excuse? Short staff. I
>>>>>>>>>> spoke
>>>>>>>>>> to a few people on the matter, and since the cafeteria people
>> aren't
>>>>>>>>>> willing to help, they say I should talk to a manager about this.
>> I
>>>>>>>>>> wish I could see now so that I could serve myself and not have
>> to
>>>>>>>>>> hold
>>>>>>>>>> a cane in my right hand and not have to be so precise with
>> holding
>>>>>>>>>> stand-alone bowls and stuff.
>>>>>>>>>> Beth
>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 11/12/08, Arielle Silverman <arielle71 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>
>>>>>>>>>>> With serving food as a blind person there are two issues. The
>> first
>>>>>>>>>>> is knowing what you're dishing out without seeing it, and the
>> second
>>>>>>>>>>> is properly maneuvering the food with the utensils from the
>> serving
>>>>>>>>>>> container to your plate and ensuring that you are dishing up an
>>>>>>>>>>> appropriate amount.
>>
>>>>>>>>>>> To resolve the first issue, since touching is not really an
>> option,
>>>>>>>>>>> the best thing is to get information--either from people ahead
>> of
>>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>>> in the buffet line or from whomever is serving the
>> food/setting up
>>>>>>>>>>> the buffet. Obviously once you've learned the order of the
>> buffet
>>>>>>>>>>> once, it'll be easier to go back and serve oneself
>> independently
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> second time around. When serving "family-style" and passing
>>>>>>>>>>> dishes
>>>>>>>>>>> around the table, this problem is virtually nonexistent since
>> it's
>>>>>>>>>>> easy to find out what someone has passed you before serving
>>>>>>>>>>> yourself from it.
>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The second issue, though, is one that does take practice to
>> overcome
>>>>>>>>>>> especially for those of us who were not expected to serve
>> ourselves
>>>>>>>>>>> growing up. I wasn't really expected to do it at all until I
>> was a
>>>>>>>>>>> teenager, which caused me to struggle a bit with the mechanics
>> of
>>>>>>>>>>> maneuvering the food and gauging the portion size. I improved
>> at
>>>>>>>>>>> this a lot when I was in training at the Louisiana Center
>> where
>>>>>>>>>>> we
>>>>>>>>>>> had to serve ourselves in a buffet line (with sleepshades on)
>>>>>>>>>>> whenever someone prepared their final cooking project (a meal
>> for
>>>>>>>>>>> forty). Like others have said, operating the utensils
>> correctly
>>>>>>>>>>> does
>>>>>>>>>>> take practice and trial and error. A training center is a great
>>>>>>>>>>> place
>>>>>>>>>>> to develop this skill because everyone else is practicing, too,
>> and
>>>>>>>>>>> so
>>>>>>>>>>> there's not as much pressure to do it exactly right or move
>>>>>>>>>>> quickly
>>>>>>>>>>> through the line. You can also practice by cooking yourself
>>>>>>>>>>> something and transferring some of it from one container to
>>>>>>>>>>> another
>>>>>>>>>>> (even if it's just Ramen or Easy Mac).
>>
>>>>>>>>>>> To gauge portion sizes I've used two techniques. One is to
>> feel
>>>>>>>>>>> how
>>>>>>>>>>> much weight I've added to my plate or bowl and how the
>> weight is
>>>>>>>>>>> distributed. The other, if it's hot or steaming food that
>> I'm
>>>>>>>>>>> serving, is to hold my hand a little above the plate/bowl and
>> feel
>>>>>>>>>>> how much heat is rising from the food and how far it is
>> spreading.
>>>>>>>>>>> If I don't have enough food, there won't be much heat and it'll
>> be
>>>>>>>>>>> confined to one little spot instead of spreading across a wide
>> area.
>>
>>>>>>>>>>> One more thing that hasn't come up yet is the proper way to
>> serve
>>>>>>>>>>> soup, stew, etc. with a ladel. I used to have the toughest
>> time with
>>>>>>>>>>> this until I went to the center and figured out what my
>> problem
>>>>>>>>>>> was.
>>>>>>>>>>> Because ladels have a sharp curve in the middle, when I was
>> holding
>>>>>>>>>>> the handle straight, the bowl part of the ladel was actually
>>>>>>>>>>> tipped
>>>>>>>>>>> and I was spilling stuff before I could get it in the bowl. I
>> had to
>>>>>>>>>>> figure out how to angle the handle (so it felt crooked) but the
>> bowl
>>>>>>>>>>> was actually facing straight up. I think other blind people
>> have
>>>>>>>>>>> been fooled by this deceptive handle as well which is why I
>> bring it
>>>>>>>>>>> up. You can practice this by playing with an empty ladel
>> (like
>>>>>>>>>>> while
>>>>>>>>>>> you are doing dishes) and hold the bowl in your non-dominant
>> hand
>>>>>>>>>>> while you angle the handle with your dominant one. Bend the
>> handle
>>>>>>>>>>> until you can feel that the bowl is facing straight up (even
>>>>>>>>>>> though
>>>>>>>>>>> the handle will feel crooked) and then try to remember the angle
>>>>>>>>>>> when
>>>>>>>>>>> you are serving things with the ladel.
>>
>>>>>>>>>>> HTH,
>>>>>>>>>>> Arielle
>>
>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/12/08, Serena <serenacucco at verizon.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> I pretty much use the same type of bowl, what we Italians call a
>>>>>>>>>>>> maccaroni
>>>>>>>>>>>> bowl, so i usually just put as much maccaroni in there as will
>> fit.
>>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>> love
>>>>>>>>>>>> to eat! lol Meat is trickier, but I usually have only one piece
>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>> that,
>>>>>>>>>>>> anyhow.
>>
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Harry Hogue" <harryhogue at yahoo.com
>>>>>>>>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>>>>>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 9:53 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Serving Yourself Food
>>
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Serena, this may sound like a slightly silly question, but do
>> you
>>>>>>>>>>>> learn
>>>>>>>>>>>> what
>>>>>>>>>>>> an appropriate portion size is by weight, etc, or by how many
>>>>>>>>>>>> ladle-fulls,
>>>>>>>>>>>> spoon-fulls, etc? I have never really wanted to do that because
>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>> didn't
>>>>>>>>>>>> want to slowly anybody down or look awkward, etc. But I agree
>> it is
>>>>>>>>>>>> important...
>>>>>>>>>>>> Harry
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> --- On Sun, 11/9/08, Serena <serenacucco at verizon.net> wrote:
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Serena <serenacucco at verizon.net
>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Serving Yourself Food
>>>>>>>>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>>>>>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Sunday, November 9, 2008, 6:47 PM
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Harry
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I always serve my own food at home with immidate family. I
>> think
>>>>>>>>>>>> it's
>>>>>>>>>>>> important to learn that skill. At family gatherings and on
>> buffet
>>>>>>>>>>>> lines,
>>>>>>>>>>>> however, others do it for me cause we're all having pretty much
>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>> same
>>>>>>>>>>>> things. Even at State Convention this weekend, there was a
>> survor
>>>>>>>>>>>> serving
>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>> breakfast buffet to everyone.
>>
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Harry Hogue"
>>>>>>>>>>>> <harryhogue at yahoo.com
>>>>>>>>>>>> To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 5:39 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Serving Yourself Food
>>
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello everyone,
>>>>>>>>>>>> With the holidays coming up, here's an interesting point for
>>>>>>>>>>>> discussion.
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> At family gatherings, or perhaps even at home with immediate
>>>>>>>>>>>> family, do
>>>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>>>> serve your own plate or do you have someone else serve the plate
>>>>>>>>>>>> for you?
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> As for me, I have always had someone else always serve my plate
>> at
>>>>>>>>>>>> family
>>>>>>>>>>>> gatherings and at home with my family, for that matter, simply
>>>>>>>>>>>> because it
>>>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>>> quicker and there is less risk of spilling, etc. I am, however,
>>>>>>>>>>>> reminded
>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>> importance of being comfortable with this task by my Costa Rica
>>>>>>>>>>>> experience.
>>>>>>>>>>>> My
>>>>>>>>>>>> host mother told me what was where and even made sure I knew
>> where
>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>> serving
>>>>>>>>>>>> spoon was--but I was not comfortable at 20 years old to serve my
>>>>>>>>>>>> own plate
>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>> had to ask her to serve the plate for me. This, then, set up a
>>>>>>>>>>>> precedent
>>>>>>>>>>>> that as
>>>>>>>>>>>> a blind person I needed help with getting food.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 'm interested in hearing ohter thoughts. And if we serve
>> ourselves
>>>>>>>>>>>> at
>>>>>>>>>>>> home/at family gatherings, I then have to ask what is so
>> diferent
>>>>>>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>>>>>>> buffets,
>>>>>>>>>>>> especially if you're with someone else and they're getting rice,
>>>>>>>>>>>> chicken, potatoes, etc. and it's likely you would want some of
>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>> same
>>>>>>>>>>>> things.
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Just some thoughts to consider.
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Harry
>>
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