[nabs-l] accommodations in public school

Fri Nov 14 15:08:52 UTC 2008

Let us all know how it goes.
Beth

On 11/14/08, Franandah Damstra <fantasyfanatic01 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Yes, I have e-mailed her and I will be talking to her tonight.
>
> Buddy, that was very creative, and extremely helpful. that did paint a
> clear picture of what I'm going through.
>
> Antonio, yeah, my dad works three jobs to support us and my mum  just
> stopped working around two months ago so my family works really hard.
> My grandparents also give us a certain amount of money each year to
> help pay for things. Without all this, there is no way we could go to
> the school I'm in. There are many families, even some that are
> extremely poor, that do everything they can to send their kids to a
> private school. So, because of the cost, my parents just can't pay
> anymore for other things.
>
> I receive mobility training twice a month and I really don't know how
> I get it. All I know is that I've gotten it all my life.
>
> Thank you so much for all your help guys. I'll just talk with people
> and see what we can do.
>
> On 11/12/08, Antonio Guimaraes <aguimaraes at nbp.org> wrote:
>> Franandiah,
>>
>> Carrie Gilmer's e-mail address is
>>
>> carrie.gilmer at gmail.com
>>
>> Please write to her, and see the best way to communicate.
>>
>> Maybe you'll need to make some calls to the parent advocate in your state,
>> but first write Carrie at
>>
>> carrie.gilmer at gmail.com
>>
>> Good luck,
>>
>> Antonio
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Franandah Damstra" <fantasyfanatic01 at gmail.com>
>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 9:03 AM
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accommodations in public school
>>
>>
>>> Okay, I will .How do I get ahold of this Kerry Gilmer person? The
>>> reason they can't pay for braille books is becasue there are four kids
>>> in my family and we all go to a Christian school. That is so much
>>> money. My dad works three jobs and my mum works one. It takes a lot,
>>> but I guess that is just what they believe in.  I get mobility
>>> training twice a month and I only got it because I used to go to a
>>> public school to learn braille. That is my main confusion. I learned
>>> braille, but why did I if I will never use it? That is my real
>>> confusion. Why did I waste three years of my life then? I don't know.
>>> I would love to talk to somone. I just need humbers and whne is the
>>> best time to call.
>>>
>>> On 11/12/08, Sarah Jevnikar <sarah.jevnikar at utoronto.ca> wrote:
>>>> Maybe most, but not all. Many private schools have extensive scholarship
>>>> programs too.
>>>> Franandah, I think what Heather and others have been saying is true.
>>>> It's
>>>> scary talking to someone you've never met before, especially about such
>>>> an
>>>> emotional topic, but I think it's necessary.
>>>> Also, when you progress with your studies, or enter the working world,
>>>> it
>>>> will be necessary for you to seek out and/or use resources to help you.
>>>> Unfortunately most people don't know how to properly assist someone with
>>>> a
>>>> visual impairment, and so you have to educate them and provide specific
>>>> methods and resources you can use together to reach a solution. So if
>>>> there's any plus about your struggle right now it's that you'll gain
>>>> those
>>>> skills. I'm so sorry things have been so difficult for you, but you will
>>>> grow as a strong independent person through these experiences. I wish
>>>> you
>>>> had the support of your family, but if you show them how seriously you
>>>> want
>>>> things to change, by following the suggestions other listers have given,
>>>> then hopefully they'll take you more seriously.
>>>> HTH,
>>>> Sarah
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>> Behalf
>>>> Of Ashley Bramlett
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 10:11 PM
>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accommodations in public school
>>>>
>>>> Franandah,
>>>>
>>>> Last comment from me since your situation cannot be changed by our
>>>> suggestions; you need an advocate on your side.  Your parents and
>>>> teachers
>>>> obviously don't understand your vision.  Of course you use your vision
>>>> but
>>>> its ineffective.
>>>> If you can get a hold of simulators and have these people wear them it
>>>> may
>>>> help in them understanding your vision.
>>>> Also, it does not make sense how your parents pay for Christian school,
>>>> its
>>>> expensive, and do not pay for your other needs to learn.  How can they
>>>> not
>>>> afford it?  Most families who send their kids to private schools are
>>>> affluent.  Something really smells fishy here.
>>>> Anyway if they can not pay as you say, you can get a group such as the
>>>> lions
>>>>
>>>> club to purchase you an embosser or adaptive equipment.
>>>>
>>>> HTH,
>>>> Ashley
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Franandah Damstra" <fantasyfanatic01 at gmail.com>
>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 3:50 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accommodations in public school
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Yeah, everyone knows that I'm leaglly blind, they just say that
>>>>> because I have sight I should use it. I go to a really poor school and
>>>>> they say that they won't pay for it. My family just can't pay for
>>>>> tuition and then on top of that, braille books, embossers, and other
>>>>> adaptive technology.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 11/10/08, Beth <thebluesisloose at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Does your ophthalmologist have any idea that your 20/800 sight
>>>>>> classifies you as legally blind under the law?  What about the Hadley
>>>>>> School for the Blind?  It's a distance-education school for blind
>>>>>> people, and you can take high school classes and get a diploma like
>>>>>> anybody else, and you can also take a fw Bible classes, though they
>>>>>> don't give credit.  As far as a Christian education, you can just go
>>>>>> to youth group and go to church and participate in choirs and such.
>>>>>> Thanks for the info.  I hope I can help.
>>>>>> Beth
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 11/10/08, Franandah Damstra <fantasyfanatic01 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> I never used an E chart. I can't see enough to do that. I've always
>>>>>>> used someones finger and tracked it or something. I do go to an
>>>>>>> ophthalmologist every year. The eye results I get are given to my
>>>>>>> parents. My sight is 20/800. that is what I have been told. However,
>>>>>>> that doesn't seam to matter because my school and TC say "You have
>>>>>>> some usable sight so use it!" so...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 11/10/08, Beth <thebluesisloose at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> You could use an eye exam results thing.  You need to see an
>>>>>>>> ophthalmologist, someone qualified to look at your eyes.  Using E
>>>>>>>> chart results will put enough pressure on the school.  Then, what
>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>> need to do is talk to an organization like NFB who can help try to
>>>>>>>> pressure the school into allowing you to have audio books and so on.
>>>>>>>> Beth
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 11/10/08, Franandah Damstra <fantasyfanatic01 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> How?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 11/10/08, Beth <thebluesisloose at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Okay.  So you could still pressure the heck out of the school
>>>>>>>>>> until
>>>>>>>>>> you get what you need.
>>>>>>>>>> Beth
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 11/10/08, Franandah Damstra <fantasyfanatic01 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> I have mobility training, just no braille books and technology.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/6/08, Beth <thebluesisloose at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> I would pressure the heck out of the school until you get
>>>>>>>>>>>> Braille
>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>> more mobility training.  I get training once a week at the most.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Beth
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/6/08, Franandah Damstra <fantasyfanatic01 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am soposted to get large print books and assingments, but
>>>>>>>>>>>>> everyone
>>>>>>>>>>>>> always forgets so I'm always behind in school. I have extra
>>>>>>>>>>>>> time
>>>>>>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>>>>>> tests and mobility training twice a month. I really would
>>>>>>>>>>>>> rather
>>>>>>>>>>>>> swich
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to braille though.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/6/08, Beth <thebluesisloose at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have a friend who said she got her stuff enlarged while she
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> had
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> enough sight.  She's going blind year by year, and she's fine
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Braille now.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Beth
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/6/08, Sarah Jevnikar <sarah.jevnikar at utoronto.ca> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I had orientation and mobility training too - an hour a week
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> after
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> school.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It was pretty awesome.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Behalf
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Of Hope Paulos
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 4:47 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accomodations in public school
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I had brailled handouts, brailled texts and audio texts,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> orientation and mobility training and extra time on tests.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> These
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> were extremely effective.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>From: "Rania" <raniaismail04 at gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Date sent: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 16:34:38 -0500
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accomodations in public school
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I had braille extra time on tests my books and hand outs were
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> also brailled.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Rania,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 3:05 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Subject: [nabs-l] accomodations in public school
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm asking this for a class as well as to compare my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> experience
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to yours.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I had pretty decent services.  I got braille and audio
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> books
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> my TVI
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was good at giving braille handouts and I got extra time on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tests.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As we have discussed before, I struggled fitting in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> socially
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> though.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In my psychology of individuals with disabilities class, I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> asked to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> present about visual impairment and accomodations and other
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> academic
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> impact.  So my questions.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1.  What accomodations did you use?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2.  Were they effective? If you used print you may have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> been
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> more effective
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with braille.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3.  What should have been done that was not?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Common accomodations I can think of are: large print or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> braille
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> handouts,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> audio texts, and extended time on tests.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ashley
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