[nabs-l] accommodations in public school

Wed Nov 19 14:38:13 UTC 2008

Will do!

On 11/14/08, Beth <thebluesisloose at gmail.com> wrote:
> Let us all know how it goes.
> Beth
>
> On 11/14/08, Franandah Damstra <fantasyfanatic01 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Yes, I have e-mailed her and I will be talking to her tonight.
>>
>> Buddy, that was very creative, and extremely helpful. that did paint a
>> clear picture of what I'm going through.
>>
>> Antonio, yeah, my dad works three jobs to support us and my mum  just
>> stopped working around two months ago so my family works really hard.
>> My grandparents also give us a certain amount of money each year to
>> help pay for things. Without all this, there is no way we could go to
>> the school I'm in. There are many families, even some that are
>> extremely poor, that do everything they can to send their kids to a
>> private school. So, because of the cost, my parents just can't pay
>> anymore for other things.
>>
>> I receive mobility training twice a month and I really don't know how
>> I get it. All I know is that I've gotten it all my life.
>>
>> Thank you so much for all your help guys. I'll just talk with people
>> and see what we can do.
>>
>> On 11/12/08, Antonio Guimaraes <aguimaraes at nbp.org> wrote:
>>> Franandiah,
>>>
>>> Carrie Gilmer's e-mail address is
>>>
>>> carrie.gilmer at gmail.com
>>>
>>> Please write to her, and see the best way to communicate.
>>>
>>> Maybe you'll need to make some calls to the parent advocate in your
>>> state,
>>> but first write Carrie at
>>>
>>> carrie.gilmer at gmail.com
>>>
>>> Good luck,
>>>
>>> Antonio
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Franandah Damstra" <fantasyfanatic01 at gmail.com>
>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 9:03 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accommodations in public school
>>>
>>>
>>>> Okay, I will .How do I get ahold of this Kerry Gilmer person? The
>>>> reason they can't pay for braille books is becasue there are four kids
>>>> in my family and we all go to a Christian school. That is so much
>>>> money. My dad works three jobs and my mum works one. It takes a lot,
>>>> but I guess that is just what they believe in.  I get mobility
>>>> training twice a month and I only got it because I used to go to a
>>>> public school to learn braille. That is my main confusion. I learned
>>>> braille, but why did I if I will never use it? That is my real
>>>> confusion. Why did I waste three years of my life then? I don't know.
>>>> I would love to talk to somone. I just need humbers and whne is the
>>>> best time to call.
>>>>
>>>> On 11/12/08, Sarah Jevnikar <sarah.jevnikar at utoronto.ca> wrote:
>>>>> Maybe most, but not all. Many private schools have extensive
>>>>> scholarship
>>>>> programs too.
>>>>> Franandah, I think what Heather and others have been saying is true.
>>>>> It's
>>>>> scary talking to someone you've never met before, especially about such
>>>>> an
>>>>> emotional topic, but I think it's necessary.
>>>>> Also, when you progress with your studies, or enter the working world,
>>>>> it
>>>>> will be necessary for you to seek out and/or use resources to help you.
>>>>> Unfortunately most people don't know how to properly assist someone
>>>>> with
>>>>> a
>>>>> visual impairment, and so you have to educate them and provide specific
>>>>> methods and resources you can use together to reach a solution. So if
>>>>> there's any plus about your struggle right now it's that you'll gain
>>>>> those
>>>>> skills. I'm so sorry things have been so difficult for you, but you
>>>>> will
>>>>> grow as a strong independent person through these experiences. I wish
>>>>> you
>>>>> had the support of your family, but if you show them how seriously you
>>>>> want
>>>>> things to change, by following the suggestions other listers have
>>>>> given,
>>>>> then hopefully they'll take you more seriously.
>>>>> HTH,
>>>>> Sarah
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>> Behalf
>>>>> Of Ashley Bramlett
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 10:11 PM
>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accommodations in public school
>>>>>
>>>>> Franandah,
>>>>>
>>>>> Last comment from me since your situation cannot be changed by our
>>>>> suggestions; you need an advocate on your side.  Your parents and
>>>>> teachers
>>>>> obviously don't understand your vision.  Of course you use your vision
>>>>> but
>>>>> its ineffective.
>>>>> If you can get a hold of simulators and have these people wear them it
>>>>> may
>>>>> help in them understanding your vision.
>>>>> Also, it does not make sense how your parents pay for Christian school,
>>>>> its
>>>>> expensive, and do not pay for your other needs to learn.  How can they
>>>>> not
>>>>> afford it?  Most families who send their kids to private schools are
>>>>> affluent.  Something really smells fishy here.
>>>>> Anyway if they can not pay as you say, you can get a group such as the
>>>>> lions
>>>>>
>>>>> club to purchase you an embosser or adaptive equipment.
>>>>>
>>>>> HTH,
>>>>> Ashley
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Franandah Damstra" <fantasyfanatic01 at gmail.com>
>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 3:50 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accommodations in public school
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Yeah, everyone knows that I'm leaglly blind, they just say that
>>>>>> because I have sight I should use it. I go to a really poor school and
>>>>>> they say that they won't pay for it. My family just can't pay for
>>>>>> tuition and then on top of that, braille books, embossers, and other
>>>>>> adaptive technology.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 11/10/08, Beth <thebluesisloose at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> Does your ophthalmologist have any idea that your 20/800 sight
>>>>>>> classifies you as legally blind under the law?  What about the Hadley
>>>>>>> School for the Blind?  It's a distance-education school for blind
>>>>>>> people, and you can take high school classes and get a diploma like
>>>>>>> anybody else, and you can also take a fw Bible classes, though they
>>>>>>> don't give credit.  As far as a Christian education, you can just go
>>>>>>> to youth group and go to church and participate in choirs and such.
>>>>>>> Thanks for the info.  I hope I can help.
>>>>>>> Beth
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 11/10/08, Franandah Damstra <fantasyfanatic01 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> I never used an E chart. I can't see enough to do that. I've always
>>>>>>>> used someones finger and tracked it or something. I do go to an
>>>>>>>> ophthalmologist every year. The eye results I get are given to my
>>>>>>>> parents. My sight is 20/800. that is what I have been told. However,
>>>>>>>> that doesn't seam to matter because my school and TC say "You have
>>>>>>>> some usable sight so use it!" so...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 11/10/08, Beth <thebluesisloose at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> You could use an eye exam results thing.  You need to see an
>>>>>>>>> ophthalmologist, someone qualified to look at your eyes.  Using E
>>>>>>>>> chart results will put enough pressure on the school.  Then, what
>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>> need to do is talk to an organization like NFB who can help try to
>>>>>>>>> pressure the school into allowing you to have audio books and so
>>>>>>>>> on.
>>>>>>>>> Beth
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 11/10/08, Franandah Damstra <fantasyfanatic01 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> How?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 11/10/08, Beth <thebluesisloose at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Okay.  So you could still pressure the heck out of the school
>>>>>>>>>>> until
>>>>>>>>>>> you get what you need.
>>>>>>>>>>> Beth
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/10/08, Franandah Damstra <fantasyfanatic01 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> I have mobility training, just no braille books and technology.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/6/08, Beth <thebluesisloose at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I would pressure the heck out of the school until you get
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Braille
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> more mobility training.  I get training once a week at the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> most.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Beth
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/6/08, Franandah Damstra <fantasyfanatic01 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am soposted to get large print books and assingments, but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> everyone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> always forgets so I'm always behind in school. I have extra
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> time
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tests and mobility training twice a month. I really would
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rather
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> swich
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to braille though.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/6/08, Beth <thebluesisloose at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I have a friend who said she got her stuff enlarged while she
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> had
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> enough sight.  She's going blind year by year, and she's fine
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Braille now.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Beth
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/6/08, Sarah Jevnikar <sarah.jevnikar at utoronto.ca>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I had orientation and mobility training too - an hour a week
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> after
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> school.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It was pretty awesome.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Behalf
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Of Hope Paulos
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 4:47 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accomodations in public school
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I had brailled handouts, brailled texts and audio texts,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> orientation and mobility training and extra time on tests.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> These
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> were extremely effective.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>From: "Rania" <raniaismail04 at gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Date sent: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 16:34:38 -0500
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accomodations in public school
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I had braille extra time on tests my books and hand outs
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> were
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> also brailled.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Rania,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 3:05 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Subject: [nabs-l] accomodations in public school
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm asking this for a class as well as to compare my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> experience
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to yours.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I had pretty decent services.  I got braille and audio
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> books
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> my TVI
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was good at giving braille handouts and I got extra time
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tests.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As we have discussed before, I struggled fitting in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> socially
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> though.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In my psychology of individuals with disabilities class, I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> asked to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> present about visual impairment and accomodations and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> academic
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> impact.  So my questions.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1.  What accomodations did you use?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2.  Were they effective? If you used print you may have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> been
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> more effective
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with braille.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3.  What should have been done that was not?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Common accomodations I can think of are: large print or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> braille
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> handouts,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> audio texts, and extended time on tests.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ashley
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