[nabs-l] Trays
Hope Paulos
hope.paulos at maine.edu
Fri Nov 14 17:50:46 UTC 2008
I agree with you, J. J. Beth, I know this can be frustrating,
but try not to let it get you down. As far as what you said
about your confidence level, everyone on this list has differing
skills and levels of confidence. Think of this as a challenge.
I'm running a marathon, 26.2 miles, this February. I need lots
of practice to train for this. I admit, this training is
difficult, especi when I start running 15 to 20 miles a day.
It's challenging, but I never let it frustrate me. Just think of
acquiring this skillz a challenge and I know you will succeed.
We have a saying in our family to overcome challenges. When I
first started running, I only ran about 10 steps and then gave
up. My father came up to me and asked why I gave up. I said
because this running stuff was hard! He told me, well, if it was
easy, everyone would do it.
Take care, and I know you can do this!
Hope and Beignet
> ----- Original Message -----
>From: "J.J. Meddaugh" <jj at bestmidi.com
>To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>Date sent: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 11:27:25 -0500
>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Trays
>Beth,
>Please don't worry about how confident you look compared to other
students.
>We all have our own strengths and weaknesses, and together we can
work to
>make everyone stronger. Many ideas and viewpoints will be
offered on this
>list and elsewhere, but it's ultimately your decision as to which
skills and
>techniques you wish to try. Try not to get frustrated, and take
this
>situation as a challenge you can overcome, even if it takes a few
months.
>Good luck, I know you can do it.
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Beth" <thebluesisloose at gmail.com
>To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
><nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 7:26 AM
>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Trays
>> Okay. aybe I look less competent than everyone else on this
list
>> ecause I can't even carry my own trays. But again, we don't
have
>> trays in the dining hall. The only place wher I could practice
this
>> skill is in the Oglesby Student Union which I don't know how to
get to
>> without miimal assistance. This is just hard.
>> Beth
>> On 11/13/08, Yolanda Garcia <yvgarcia at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Beth,
>>> I'm not sure if your cafeteria is 24 hours, but if it isn't,
then one
>>> suggestion might be is to go early in the morning when they
first open
>>> because hardly anyone is there. This way, you might be able to
do some
>>> exploring of the layout of your cafeteria. Perhaps another
option is
>>> going
>>> with a friend during finals week when most people are scarce on
the scene
>>> as
>>> well and try to gain orientation that way. When next semester
comes,
>>> you'll
>>> feel more confident to navigate around the cafeteria with your
new found
>>> orientation to the lay out.
>>> Alternatively, you can always get anO&M instructor from your VR
to come a
>>> few days before class starts in January to help with orienting
you to the
>>> cafeteria. It's been my experience that when you have a better
>>> understanding
>>> of the layout, that it's easier to navigate independently with
each
>>> passing
>>> time.
>>> To practice carrying a tray, I have taught my summer students at
various
>>> training programs to use a regular cookie sheet, and practice
holding it
>>> at
>>> the side of your body either at waist level or slightly above
the hip
>>> while
>>> firmly wrapping their hand on the side of the tray furthest away
from
>>> your
>>> body. I've also seen some counselors show their students to
carry the
>>> tray
>>> in front of their body just as long as your pinky, ring finger,
and
>>> middle
>>> finger are wrapped around the side that is furthest from their
body and
>>> using the pointer finger and thumb to grip the cup in between.
BTW, the
>>> finger positioning also applies if you are carrying the tray at
the side
>>> of
>>> your body. Ultimately, you decide what feels most natural to
you. Then as
>>> my
>>> students became more comfortable with slowly walking around the
apartment
>>> using their cane and carrying the tray, I would incorporate an
empty
>>> plate,
>>> cup, bowl, or silverware one at a time to gradually give the
tray more
>>> weight like they would experience in a cafeteria or fast food
setting
>>> while
>>> still using their cane. I noticed that doing a dry run like
this in the
>>> privacy of our apartment made them feel more comfortable then
practicing
>>> for
>>> the first time in a crowded food court with tons of people
around. Maybe
>>> you
>>> assimilate some sort of practice exercise like this either in
your dorm
>>> room
>>> or when you go home for Thanksgiving break.
>>> I think that once you can get a firm foundation of the layout of
your
>>> cafeteria and master carrying a heavy tray, that you'll be able
to fuse
>>> these techniques together and conquer this situation with
confidence and
>>> ease in no time. Hope this helps.
>>> Warmest Regards,
>>> Yolanda
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Beth" <thebluesisloose at gmail.com
>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 3:09 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Trays
>>>> Well, there ain' no trays at Suwannee Dining Hall here at FSU,
so I've
>>>> had to rely on others o help me get my food. Also, there is so
much
>>>> chaos and the cash register is outside the line, not inside the
line
>>>> and in every station like in a normal cafeteria/buffet. You
know what
>>>> I mean?
>>>> Beth
>>>> On 11/13/08, Arielle Silverman <arielle71 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>> At the NFB centers they teach you a method for carrying a tray
with
>>>>> your non-cane hand by holding the tray against your hip and
wrapping
>>>>> your fingers around the drink if there is one.
>>>>> It's also pretty easy to carry a single bowl or plate in your
>>>>> non-cane hand. One trick is to put silverware, napkins, etc.
either
>>>>> under the plate or in your pocket.
>>>>> The only things I haven't figured out is how to carry a plate
and
>>>>> cup with no tray, or to carry multiple drinks on a tray.
>>>>> As for travel through a cafeteria or food court, this can be
>>>>> challenging, but don't be afraid to ask questions of people
around
>>>>> you even if there is no staff member or friend to help. "Is
this the
>>>>> salad line? No? Could you tell me where it is please?"
>>>>> One lesson I've learned is to stop and listen whenever I go
into a
>>>>> place like a fast-food restaurant, store or cafeteria. Listen
for
>>>>> audible landmarks like the cash registers, drink dispenser, TV
or
>>>>> background music and use these landmarks to keep your bearings
as
>>>>> you move through the store.
>>>>> I don't know if others have experienced this, but I think I've
>>>>> sometimes gotten in the habit of walking into a store or
restaurant
>>>>> and just moving without stopping to listen. I think that
>>>>> subconsciously I tend to keep moving so other people don't
think I'm
>>>>> lost or helpless. But what I've learned is that in the long
run,
>>>>> it's better to take that extra second to stop and listen--and
be able
>>>>> to move more smoothly through the place and find the door on
the way
>>>>> out.
>>>>> Cheers
>>>>> Arielle
>>>>> On 11/13/08, melissa R. Green <graduate56 at juno.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Carrie,
>>>>>> Thank you for your willingness to sare ideas with us.
>>>>>> I had a hard time carrying my tray in school.
>>>>>> To be honest, I didn't use a cane in school, except for mobility
which
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> only
>>>>>> got every three to four months.
>>>>>> My mom worked with me on how to carry things level.
>>>>>> I can't do that as well as I used to because of the slight
tremors in
>>>>>> my
>>>>>> hands.
>>>>>> I didn't really get to practice carrying a tray much until I got
to
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> colorado
>>>>>> center.
>>>>>> I knew how to do it.
>>>>>> But I sure got practice doing it at a buffet, and at windys as
well.
>>>>>> Lol!
>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>>> Melissa R. Green
>>>>>> Hold on to your dream and it shall be well with you.
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>> Behalf
>>>>>> Of
>>>>>> Carrie Gilmer
>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008 6:23 AM
>>>>>> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Trays
>>>>>> If you wrap your one arm around the tray, you can usually also
hold
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> glass (if there is one) you can also feel with your arm if
things
>>>>>> start
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> slide on the tray and adjust, this leaves your other hand free
for the
>>>>>> cane.
>>>>>> I have taught this to elementary age students whose arms are not
that
>>>>>> long
>>>>>> and it still works, I believe this method is also taught at our
>>>>>> training
>>>>>> centers.
>>>>>> Carrie Gilmer, President
>>>>>> National Organization of Parents of Blind Children
>>>>>> A Division of the National Federation of the Blind
>>>>>> NFB National Center: 410-659-9314
>>>>>> Home Phone: 763-784-8590
>>>>>> carrie.gilmer at gmail.com
>>>>>> www.nfb.org/nopbc
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>> Behalf
>>>>>> Of Beth
>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008 3:44 AM
>>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] friends
>>>>>> You might be right, only you can't possibly keep the thing
level. I
>>>>>> am horrible at keeping stuff level at last.
>>>>>> Beth
>>>>>> On 11/6/08, Sarah Jevnikar <sarah.jevnikar at utoronto.ca> wrote:
>>>>>>> I find trays are a disaster and make things harder with a cane.
At
>>>>>>> least
>>>>>>> with a plate/bowl you potentially have a cane hand free.
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org
[mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On
>>>>>> Behalf
>>>>>>> Of Ashley Bramlett
>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 5:38 PM
>>>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] freinds
>>>>>>> Albert,
>>>>>>> I've gone to public places alone but not concerts that I can
recall;
>>>>>>> although that is auditory and there is no reason why we should
not
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>> enjoy
>>>>>>> it.
>>>>>>> Beth said she did not go to social events alone and my point is
you
>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>> go
>>>>>>> to some and get something out of it. She said
>>>>>>> "but there are other things I won't do alone either: going to
>>>>>>>> concerts, which I have to do anyway; going to restaurants, which
is
>>>>>>>> fine with me because I don't have to carry food around which I
don't
>>>>>>>> know how to do because I don't feel I can hold a plate with one
hand
>>>>>>>> and cane with another, and we don't have trays at FSU, no we
don't;
>>>>>>>> and going to parties and such."
>>>>>>> It is much more fun to go to things in groups but I don't think
>>>>>>> blindness
>>>>>>> should stop you from going to concerts, restaurants and parties
if
>>>>>>> that
>>>>>> is
>>>>>>> what you want to do.
>>>>>>> No I have not been to a concert alone that i recall, but I did
go to
>>>>>>> a
>>>>>> play
>>>>>>> at school alone. I've also gone to restaurants alone; I get
tired of
>>>>>>> cafeteria food and the Ballston commons Mall is near. You can
easily
>>>>>>> walk
>>>>>>> there from the metro and buy stuff from a regular restaurant or
food
>>>>>> court.
>>>>>>> Some students go in groups; others go alone.
>>>>>>> Yes I do agree that attending a sporting event such as
basketball or
>>>>>>> baseball would not be fun alone because with the crowd and noise
it
>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>> difficult to navigate and you cannot ask your friend what is
>>>>>>> happening
>>>>>> then.
>>>>>>> However there are other events that you can do alone. Now if
Beth or
>>>>>> anyone
>>>>>>> wants to go to events in groups because that is there
personality
>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>> fine. But blindness should not get in the way. I for one would
like
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>> go
>>>>>>> to more things like concerts or out to eat with friends but
they're
>>>>>>> busy
>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> most are just acquaintances, not close friends.
>>>>>>> But I'll go to things alone to enjoy if its something I really
want.
>>>>>>> Ashley
>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>> From: "Albert Yoo" <albertyoo1 at hotmail.com
>>>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 2:08 PM
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] freinds
>>>>>>>> Ashley, have you gone to a concert alone? It wouldn't be any fun
to
>>>>>>>> go
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> a concert or sporting event alone to a basketball football
baseball
>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>> ice
>>>>>>>> hockey game you wouldn't be able to get around easily at the
stadium
>>>>>>>> if
>>>>>>>> you were alone. Albert
>>>>>>>>> From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net
>>>>>>>>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>> Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 11:38:08 -0500
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] freinds
>>>>>>>>> Beth,
>>>>>>>>> I'm surprised you are uncomfortable going to restaurants alone.
>>>>>>>>> Unless
>>>>>> at
>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>> buffett you don't have to carry food to the table. Your school
is
>>>>>>>>> weird
>>>>>>>>> if
>>>>>>>>> you don't have trays. Most cafeterias do. I think you should
go to
>>>>>>>>> concerts or restaurants if you want to. Sometimes people are
not
>>>>>>>>> going
>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> be around to take you. Yes its more enjoyable to go to
restaurants
>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>> concerts with friends but it is certainly possible to do alone.
You
>>>>>>>>> should
>>>>>>>>> step out of your confort zone. On a tour bus my mom and I
>>>>>>>>> encountered
>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>> sight seer alone from London touring Boston.
>>>>>>>>> So people do do big things alone.
>>>>>>>>> Ashley
>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>> From: "Beth"
>>>>>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 10:49 PM
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] freinds
>>>>>>>>>>I looooooove bowling. I usually get my ten frames wrth with
>>>>>>>>>> friends,but there are other things I won't do alone either:
going
>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>> concerts, which I have to do anyway; going to restaurants, which
>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>> fine with me because I don't have to carry food around which I
>>>>>>>>>> don't
>>>>>>>>>> know how to do because I don't feel I can hold a plate with one
>>>>>>>>>> hand
>>>>>>>>>> and cane with another, and we don't have trays at FSU, no we
>>>>>>>>>> don't;
>>>>>>>>>> and going to parties and such. I absolutely refuse to make an
>>>>>>>>>> appearence at anything alone. I'd rater be in a group of
friends
>>>>>>>>>> because I don't want to look weird or anything.
>>>>>>>>>> Beth
>>>>>>>>>> On 11/3/08, Serena wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Harry
>>>>>>>>>>> I'd have to disagree about adapted sports, especially bowling.
I
>>>>>>>>>>> love
>>>>>>>>>>> bowling! I'll admit, I'm not that great, but who cares. All
>>>>>>>>>>> sighted
>>>>>>>>>>> people
>>>>>>>>>>> really have to do for me is help me line up so the ball will go
>>>>>>>>>>> down
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> middle of the lane. Also, my deaf-blind friend (I mentioned in
a
>>>>>> recent
>>>>>>>>>>> post asking about AIM) loves every sport you can imagine,
>>>>>>>>>>> including
>>>>>>>>>>> golf!
>>>>>>>>>>> He can see a little bit, but I think he mostly functions as a
>>>>>>>>>>> blind
>>>>>>>>>>> person
>>>>>>>>>>> as far as sports. If you have any specific questions you'd like
>>>>>>>>>>> me
>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>> ask
>>>>>>>>>>> him, I'm sure he'd be happy to tell me info to help someone
else!
>>>>>>>>>>> Serena
>>>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Harry Hogue"
>>>>>>>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, November 03, 2008 7:09 PM
>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] freinds
>>>>>>>>>>> Great topic, guys. I have never had really close friends,
either.
>>>>>>>>>>> Een
>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>> college, I neer developed close relationships--more like people
I
>>>>>>>>>>> talk
>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>> during class, etc. Part of that is my personality--I get really
>>>>>>>>>>> quiet
>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>> group and jsut naturally prefer to be in a smaller group of
>>>>>>>>>>> people
>>>>>>>>>>> (like
>>>>>>>>>>> one
>>>>>>>>>>> or two ther people). I have joined the chess club--yes I am a
>>>>>>>>>>> nerd
>>>>>>>>>>> lol--and
>>>>>>>>>>> really like it, and get along great with those folks. I go to
the
>>>>>>>>>>> Spanish
>>>>>>>>>>> table once a weekand do other things--so I make a concerted
>>>>>>>>>>> effort.
>>>>>>>>>>> It
>>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>> good to know that I am not the only blind perso nthat suffers
>>>>>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>>>>>> these
>>>>>>>>>>> feelings.
>>>>>>>>>>> I would loe to get out there and be able to play soccer--the
real
>>>>>>>>>>> thing,
>>>>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>>>> some weird modified ersion with sighted people helping. Does
>>>>>>>>>>> anyone
>>>>>>>>>>> else
>>>>>>>>>>> feel this way? If this is better addressed either off list or on
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> sports
>>>>>>>>>>> and rec list, that's fine. Just thinking of extracurricular
>>>>>>>>>>> activities
>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>> I would like to participate in but can't. Soemthign we don't
>>>>>>>>>>> really
>>>>>>>>>>> say--but
>>>>>>>>>>> when we say that people can participate equally--I don't know
>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>>>> entirely true when it comes to sports. Granted I've never done
it
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> way
>>>>>>>>>>> they migh suggest, but bowling... I see no way of a totally
blind
>>>>>>>>>>> person
>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>> bowl and get the same experience out of it with out sighted help
>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>> diminishes the experience; likewise, beep baseball and the other
>>>>>>>>>>> adapted
>>>>>>>>>>> sports. Dont' mean to go off on something I don't know much
>>>>>>>>>>> about,
>>>>>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>> think it does fit in well with our discussion of social
>>>>>>>>>>> integration
>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>> making friends, etc. Thoughts?
>>>>>>>>>>> Harry
>>>>>>>>>>> --- On Mon, 11/3/08, Beth wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> From: Beth
>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] freinds
>>>>>>>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Monday, November 3, 2008, 1:56 PM
>>>>>>>>>>> You are right, Carey. The people in question could be too busy.
>>>>>>>>>>> However, may I point out that my younger brother, eighteen years
>>>>>>>>>>> old,
>>>>>>>>>>> already has a girlfriend and runs around everywhere with her? I
>>>>>>>>>>> am
>>>>>>>>>>> envious of every sighted person who has a significant other, and
>>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>>> know why he has her? Because he can immitate appropriate social
>>>>>>>>>>> skills. I am a firm believer in having good social skills as a
>>>>>>>>>>> prerequisite to scoring with the oppoite sex. The key to
winning
>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>> successful date and keeping that significant other is having
good
>>>>>>>>>>> social skills. I have a young man in college here at FSU who is
a
>>>>>>>>>>> friend, but he understands unlike the previous people I've dealt
>>>>>>>>>>> with,
>>>>>>>>>>> the nature of blindness and its accessories because his mom had
a
>>>>>>>>>>> blind student. I've spoken to him and his mom about this issue
>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>> just makes sense that he wouldn't simply give up on me as a
>>>>>>>>>>> friend.
>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>> admit I did a few things he didn't like, but then he admitted he
>>>>>>>>>>> wouldn't give up.
>>>>>>>>>>> Beth
>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/3/08, Carrie Gilmer wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> I would just like to add to Beth and Hope,
>>>>>>>>>>>> Jordan has not had many social offers himself. And he is well
>>>>>>>>>>>> liked
>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>>>> is key-respected- in class and in the extra curricular groups.
I
>>>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>>> found
>>>>>>>>>>>> that blind people maybe especially need to be very pro-active on
>>>>>> this.
>>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>> told him once that to eat lunch with others he needed to
>>>>>>>>>>>> initiate,
>>>>>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>> go
>>>>>>>>>>>> out, he needed to call. I told him he was not like a Hollywood
>>>>>>>>>>>> Star,
>>>>>>>>>>> people
>>>>>>>>>>>> were not going to line up to go out with him. In my own life,
as
>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>> sighted
>>>>>>>>>>>> person, I can tell you that nearly every one of my friendships
>>>>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>>>>> because
>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>> my self kept in contact. I called, I made the lunch date, I
>>>>>>>>>>>> invited
>>>>>>>>>>>> them
>>>>>>>>>>>> over, I remembered the birthday card. I have friends from grade
>>>>>> school
>>>>>>>>>>>> still, but most often I am the one to keep up the contact. It
is
>>>>>> often
>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>> way, some people are better at it. I never care or make anyone
>>>>>>>>>>>> feel
>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>>> mattered if they haven't called me for three years, I don't even
>>>>>>>>>>> listen to
>>>>>>>>>>>> the "excuse" I just say forget it, how are you now, wanna do
>>>>>>>>>>> lunch on
>>>>>>>>>>>> Thursday and catch up?
>>>>>>>>>>>> I know that there are people who will avoid the blindness, most
>>>>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>>>>> though
>>>>>>>>>>>> just unsure. But I think it can affect fro your end too, in the
>>>>>>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>>> walk
>>>>>>>>>>>> the walk you talk totally? Like that little girl I mentioned, IF
>>>>>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>>>>> skill
>>>>>>>>>>>> level and independence is not truly equal that can effect. But
>>>>>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> other
>>>>>>>>>>>> hand kids know Jordan is equal to them in school, I think
>>>>>>>>>>>> sometimes
>>>>>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>>>>>> don't realize he is equally independent out of school too. On
>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> other
>>>>>>>>>>>> hand, he is often too busy to have any free time to go out, and
>>>>>>>>>>>> these
>>>>>>>>>>>> days
>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>> know a lot of students (my husband is a high school teacher) who
>>>>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>>>>> high
>>>>>>>>>>>> GPA, working jobs, volunteering and in extra curricular and they
>>>>>> don't
>>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>>>> time much either. So I think they aren't calling like he isn't,
>>>>>>>>>>> just too
>>>>>>>>>>>> busy!
>>>>>>>>>>>> Carrie Gilmer, President
>>>>>>>>>>>> National Organization of Parents of Blind Children
>>>>>>>>>>>> A Division of the National Federation of the Blind
>>>>>>>>>>>> NFB National Center:
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